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  • The "War" on "Fat" People

    Not sure if this is the right place to post this, if not, mods please move...

    Note: I am referring to "fat people" as "we," but I am not saying anyone is overweight/obese. I realize many people here have reached their weight goal, I'm just referring to the anonymous "we" that are large, including myself.

    Has anyone else noticed a growing...for lack of better word...hatred against people who are overweight and obese? I have noticed it more and more on the news and in public.

    I see news daily about some sort of government legislation being considered to stop the "fat people" from eating transfats (New York City) or even stop them from being served food in a restaurants (Mississippi).

    On other message boards I frequent, news stories about how airlines are now charging overweight people for two seats is met with countless replies of "YEAH! THEY DESERVE IT!" and "THEY NEED TO GET OFF THEIR BUTTS AND EXERCISE, THE FATTIES!"

    I am a graduate student in a college town, and of course that means lots of young, mostly fit people. I can tell you I get very strange, almost "you disgust me" looks from some people. It's not because of my cleanliness or upkeep. I don't have hygiene problems, but I am obese. I'm not sure what else it could be.

    The arguments always seem to revolve how much "fat people" cost society. It is as if people think that overweight people do nothing but sit on their couch and eat McDonalds all day long. I have yet to meet a large person that did not spend tremendous hours at work, or someone like me who spends 80 hours a week doing research. In fact, I'm in a field (public administration) doing research to save tax payers money!

    The next argument is that its OK to hate overweight people because we are a burden on the health system. Yes, being overweight or being obese has a cost. So does drinking too much liquor. So does eating unhealthy even though your skinny. So does treating terminally ill patients. Yet all of these cost burdens are socially acceptable, but NOT being overweight or obese.

    All of this is incredibly depressing, for me. It doesn't motivate me to lose weight, it just depresses me. Why do people have such hatred of other people simply because of their weight? Do people so desperately need to feel superior in their lives that it has come to this?

    Don't get me wrong. I need to lose weight, and I am trying. It's a battle, one I hope to win. I realize I got myself in my position now, and I am trying to change it. But why hate me because of my size? It shouldn't matter.

    Maybe it is because of my weight, but when I look at someone I truly do not judge them on such superficial criteria. It seems odd that everyone at least outwardly says that no one should be judged on how they look. But then we find that only applies to things like race and gender. Judging people on how much they weigh? Perfectly fine! Hating the "fat" people is cool!
    Last edited by ThisGlancingLife; February 2, 2008, 07:58 PM.
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    Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

    I just saw the whole thread on the Mississippi bill I was referring to. I hope the discussion on this can be a bit broader than just that specific bill, I was only using it as an example for the broader topic...
    "...This glancing life is like a morning star
    A setting sun, or rolling waves at sea
    A gentle breeze or lightning in a storm
    A dancing dream of all eternity...
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    - Loreena Mckennitt

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    • #3
      Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

      I get what you're saying... I think that the hatred you're talking about can apply to anyone - fat or skinny, Muslim or Catholic, black or white.
      I think anyone who is overweight and trying to make that change in their lives might be hyper sensitive on the subject of obesity - it hits too close to home. They feel it, they live it, they completely understand it. When I was at my heaviest, I always thought I was getting the evil eye from young, skinny, pretty things.. I think I was just so uncomfortable in my own skin and my self esteem was in the toilet - I over thought everything...
      Don't let the ignorance get you down. You're above it - you're making the choice to do something positive about your health - that's to be commended!
      Best of luck to you - you can totally do this!





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        The next argument is that its OK to hate fat people because we are a burden on the health system. Yes, obesity has a cost. So does drinking too much liquor. So does eating unhealthy even though your skinny. So does treating terminally ill patients. Yet all of these cost burdens are socially acceptable, but NOT being overweight or obese.

        One thing that society fails to recognize is that for many people food is an addiction.


        Why do people have such hatred of other people simply because of their weight?

        Ignorance is a powerful thing!

        Great post!
        "You always had it. You always had the power."~~ Glinda the Good Witch

        Glenda
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        • #5
          Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

          Thanks for the replies, good points about ignorance and I could be just over-thinking. But I do think all the hatred I see on news forums when a obesity related news thread is put up does show this isn't all in my mind.

          And then some wonder why overweight people don't like to go to the gym. It's not because I don't want to workout, its because of the "you disgust me" stares I get from half the people there! I've resorted to buying my own home exercise machine when I can't really afford one because I'm so self-conscious about my working out. I could go to the school gym for free, but I can't stand the way people look at me.

          I realize it could all be in my head, but my friends have confirmed it when I've asked them to look for it - and these are skinny friends. I realize I shouldn't care what people think, but its very hard not to. I am definitely not trying to do a "oh woe is me" post, because that's not the point. I am fat, and I will exercise, looks be damed. But society's views at large on overweight people are counter-productive in my opinion, and down right mean.
          "...This glancing life is like a morning star
          A setting sun, or rolling waves at sea
          A gentle breeze or lightning in a storm
          A dancing dream of all eternity...
          "
          - Loreena Mckennitt

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          • #6
            Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

            I don't think it's (fat discrimination) growing, I think it's always been there!
            Lipophobia is what I call it, bunch o' Lipophobes..
            It's considered acceptable, because it's a common belief that ones weight is their fault, and completely under ones control. Just like any discrimination, spawned out of ignorance. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be anyone on our side to educate. Is there?
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            • #7
              Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

              First off, I think we should all stop concentrating on weight and start concentrating on overall health. Skinny people aren't always "healthy"---I work in a doctor's office and there are as many skinny folk with sky high cholesterol, early heart disease, and pre-diabetes as there are fat folk. In fact, the skinny folk freak out more when they get their cholesterol levels back because "high cholesterol and diabetes only happens to fat people".

              Second, the exercise industry has really scored big bucks in this country. We're all under the assumption that you can only exercise in a gym or on some piece of equipment that looks awfully similar to a medieval torture device. You can get free exercise daily--walk around the block, walk up and down stairs, etc. Remember those exercises from Phys Ed class in high school, like jumping jacks, windmills, push-ups and sit ups? They are extremely effective forms of exercise. Not only are they free, but they don't require fancy, space-occupying equipment.

              Third, I can't think of a third right now, but when I do, I'll post it.
              ~Megs~
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              • #8
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                Good post about "fat people" - I have been on both sides (thinner and heavier) and I have seen the prejudice. It really bothers me and I have heard some rude comments--more so when I am thinner, like they forgot I was heavier?? However, over all, I don't think I have anymore friends when I am fatter or thinner, so I am glad my friends and husband love me for who I am. It is rough when you have any kind of addiction. Like everyone says, count them as ignorant and be glad for the ADBB for the support for us who need it. I don't think anyone can understand unless you have been there.
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                  aNYONE WHO IS UP NOW 7:25 CST. Fox news is going to discuss the bill.
                  ~Lauren~



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                  • #10
                    Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

                    It doesn't help matters any when the "all-knowing" government pushes a diet that makes people overweight, increases cholesterol and high blood pressure, etc. Dr. Atkins saw this over the past couple decades: the junk we're "suppose" to eat may very easily have a correlation to the increase of diabetes in our society.

                    The other problem is defining what is "fat" anyway. It still stuns me to look at a picture of me when I was 140 pounds. I thought I was fat then and started all the Low-Fat crap. Now to look at it, I looked HEALTHY and STRONG! But in today's society, if you aren't rail-thin, you're a fat, lazy slob.

                    At some point, everyone is a "burden on society." The skinny dude who runs his butt off trashes his knees and requires replacements later. Maybe we should outlaw running for the sake of saving money on knee replacements. A woman works out on equipment, slips and sprains her ankle. Maybe we should outlaw step benches... A biker gets hit by a car. Bad, bad! No bike for you!

                    And don't EVEN get me started on what "studies" deem are good or not for us to take in! Eggs are BAD. No, wait, they're good... Oops, scratch that, they're bad! Well, darn it, they're ok, after all...

                    This country has lost the meaning of Liberty and have fallen for wanting the Nanny Government to take care and control ours and others' lives. I, for one, am totally sick of it.
                    ~ Terry ~
                    Eat to Live, Not Live to Eat
                    ~ Carpe Diem! ~

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                    • #11
                      Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

                      I think part of the problem is that some people see severely overweight people and just cannot see past the fat to the real person there. It is like some don't remember that under the fat there is a person that is just like them. Dehumanizing is how all prejudice starts- if it is just a lump of fat and not a person then it is ok not to treat it with respect. It is especially bad because as some have mentioned society at large thinks that fat people brought it on themselves so not only do overweight people not merit respect but they actually merit disrespect.

                      It can be very hurtful but unfortunately we can't control the way other people think all we can do is try to control how we react to it. So instead of focusing on the negative looks at the gym I try keep a picture in my head of a healthier me and soldier on. There was a quote I heard once and I don't remember who said it but it went something like: Life is not what it is supposed to be. Life is what it is, it is how you deal with what it is that makes the difference. Good luck all, and thanks for the interesting discussion on this thread!
                      ~Amy~

                      5'7", 24 years old
                      (Re-)Starting Weight- 225-- Current Weight- 164.5 -- Goal Weight- 150

                      1st mini goal- 200lbs : Met 5 March 2008!l 2nd mini goal- 185lbs : Met 3 December 2008!l 3rd mini goal- 170lbs: Met 5 February 2009! l 4th mini goal- 160lbs l Goal!- 150lbs




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                        I know this may sound strange but people are actually more tolerant to my weight where I live now (southern California) than where I am from (Mississippi) I was small most of my time in Mississippi but I went through a divorce, moved to cali, got really sick and had to take steroids for an extended period of time and got very depressed. These combined factors led for my weight to balloon. I moved back to Mississippi and I was treated horribly. I was floored, I couldn't understand it. I was the same person I always was, now people were treating me with such contempt. Even by my family (whom I mostly can't stand as they lack in most all social graces) who would say upon meeting me after many years of not seeing me "Oh my God! You're so fat!" I just wanted to say "oh my God! Do they still not have dentists here?" My depression got worse while I was there and I finally just left and came back out west. It has taken me years and years to get over it.



                        41yo | F | 5'3" | HW: 250+ | CW: 188.4 | GW: 135

                        1st Mini Goal Under 200: Met 2/29/08
                        2nd Mini Goal Under 190: Met 5/5/08
                        3rd Mini Goal 180: | 4th Mini Goal 170: | 4th Mini Goal 160: | 6th Mini Goal 150:

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                          I watched a movie last night on lifetime called "queen sized", about a overweight teen. It hit home, I've always been big and in highschool its so cruel, my mom always told me that it will get better when I get older, but Im 25 and it doesnt! When I go out with friends to the bar, I feel so uncomfortable that I dont even enjoy myself, when I go to the movies, shopping, everyday living I see the stares still. I want to get thin first of to be healthier and to look better. We just had a girl get fired at my job..which the co-workers are not nice, and it was partly due to too many complaints about her weight. They said that family members were uncomfortable with her caring for the residents(nursing home) and that if she doesnt care for herself then how is she going to care for the family members, of course they came up with a different excuse to let her go. People are cruel and I just remind myself that I have amny people in my life that care about me and I try not to let others with their dirty looks and rude comments get me down.
                          *~Beth~*


                          started 12*28*07
                          SW: 305 CW: 270 GW:180:D
                          26 Female/5'7 Mom of 2 adorable kids

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                          275*haircut met February 8th, 2008:dancing1
                          250*buy something cute to wear5-15-2008
                          225*get a family picture taken @walmart 9-23-08
                          199*a trip to an amuzement park 12-28-08...1year
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                          • #14
                            Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

                            Originally posted by ThisGlancingLife
                            Do people so desperately need to feel superior in their lives that it has come to this?
                            Actually, yes, I do think that's a huge part of it. I don't think these people really give any thought at all to "the cost to society" and when people talk about fat people getting healthy, I don't think they mean it. They don't talk about skinny people getting healthy, do they? I don't think they "care" at all. Economics, care and compassion really have nothing to do with it. I think it really does come down to feeling superior about something, about anything. That's what I think.

                            Actually here in Ohio, I don't think it's such a big problem. At 195lbs I'm beginning to feel thin compared to a lot of people here. It seems like almost everyone is overweight. Even the skinny high school girls at the mall have pudgy bellies.

                            Please don't feel discouraged or depressed. Do what you need to do to be the best you can be and don't make decisions based on the opinions of skinny, rude, insecure, pompous, prejudiced, small-minded people.

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                            hw255/sw250/cw189/gw148

                            restart 01/04/10
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                            • #15
                              Re: The "War" on "Fat" People

                              Originally posted by tmn
                              The other problem is defining what is "fat" anyway. It still stuns me to look at a picture of me when I was 140 pounds. I thought I was fat then and started all the Low-Fat crap. Now to look at it, I looked HEALTHY and STRONG! But in today's society, if you aren't rail-thin, you're a fat, lazy slob.
                              We had a thread about this maybe a year ago. Take a look at the film stars of the 1940s-1950s: Carole Lombard, Myrna Loy, Elizabeth Taylor, Sophia Loren, etc. Compare them to the film stars and models of today, and those women are all "fat". Ditto for the male film stars of that era: Gregory Peck, Cary Grant, Clark Gable, Burt Lancaster. Compare them with the men running around today and they were all "fat".
                              ~Megs~
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