some advice please

[Paul_London_sw6]

Hello



I dont really have much weight to lose about 15Lbs, and i have done the Atkins a few times before, i have gone back to induction because of a long all inclusive holiday to Barbados that i lost all self control. I have been low carbing since September last year, i first done Atkins eight years ago. I have been sticking to the induction food on the list but my ketone sticks never go purple, sometimes they go pink, is it because i dont have much weight to lose? I am 6"3 and weigh 13st 11Lbs, 193Lbs. It could be my tablets i take every day. I take 100g of Coq10, and 500g of L-Carnitine. If that's not it then maybe it is the two Promax Protein Shakes a day i take one after weight training, the nutrition says less than 1.3g carbs and 30g protien for a 30g serving, so it cant be that, can it?.

[kate58]

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I wonder about the shakes. Two of them is 60g of protein. How much other protein are you eating in a day? The thing is that if you eat too much protein it's the same as eating too many carbs, since extra protein in the diet is simply converted to glucose. Which means that if you are eating more protein than meets your body's immediate needs it doesn't build up muscle, it just get stored as fat.

Despite what many people think, Atkins is not a high protein diet. It's a high fat, moderate protein, controlled low carb diet. "Controlled" is an essential word IMO alongside or even instread of low, since the carb level that people can lose on and maintain on varies so greatly between individuals. And no matter how well you control your carbs, eating excessive protein will mean that the glucose train keeps on running.

Given that the shakes will be boosting your protein levels, I'm wondering if you are in fact eating a high protein, moderate fat, low carb diet? How much fat do you eat?

You don't say whether or not you are losing weight - how much have you lost since you started in September? If you have been on induction since September (I'm not clear whether Barbados was since or before then!) and have only 15lbs to lose it would be wise to move on to OWL anyway.

[APanthesilia]

Re: some advice please

Maybe if you posted a couple of menus for a typical day that would help us see if there is anything else that may be stalling you? It does sound as if your protein might be too high, though.

I don't think it would be the Coq10, as I take it and I am in ketosis. I also don't think it is L-Carnitine as I know that several people on this board take it as well. I'm no expert though so there is a vitamin/supplement forum on this board where you could probably get better answers to whether it might be those! Good luck!

[Laurenfra]

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Ketosis is a yes or no thing, even if it is pink you are in ketosis. If strips are too dark you may me dehydrated, so pink is fine.
lad to have you here

[Paul_London_sw6]

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Nutrition Report 04/02/2008 - 11/02/2008

Paul

According to the contents of your food diary you have consumed an average of 2303 calories per day in the last 7 day period.

This result matches fairly closely with your daily calorie quota of 2200, so you should have lost weight in this period.

In the last 7 days your calories have come from:

Protein

35.1%

(WLR Guidelines 15%)

Carbohydrate

2.1%

(WLR Guidelines 55-60%)

Fat

58.9%

(WLR Guidelines 25-30%)

Alcohol

3.9%

You have eaten an average of approximately 2.7 portions of fruit and veg a day.

Target Nutrition Profile

Carbohydrate (3.0%)

Protein (40.0%)

Fat (56.0%)

Alcohol (1.0%)

Nutrition Profile for the last 7 days

Carbohydrate (2.1%)

Protein (35.1%)

Fat (58.9%)

Alcohol (3.9%)



Thanks for the replys, the chart above are from my WLR site that i have been using for over 4 years now. I got back from my holiday 10 days ago, with what i eat last week i lost 3Lbs. The alchol is red wine. I will copy and paste some of my days food.

[Paul_London_sw6]

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[QUOTE=kate58]

Given that the shakes will be boosting your protein levels, I'm wondering if you are in fact eating a high protein, moderate fat, low carb diet? How much fat do you eat?

QUOTE]


This is what i am thinking. I will have to find out how much protein i should have before it turns into glucose

[Paul_London_sw6]

Re: some advice please

I don't think it would be the Coq10, as I take it and I am in ketosis. I also don't think it is L-Carnitine as I know that several people on this board take it as well. I'm no expert though so there is a vitamin/supplement forum on this board where you could probably get better answers to whether it might be those! Good luck!

Thanks for this i can carry on taking them with out worrying

[Paul_London_sw6]

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Calorie Summary

Daily Cal Quota

2180

+ Exercise Cals

105.8

Total Cal Quota

2285.8

Calories Consumed

2081.8

Calories left

204.0

Cals to maintain weight: 2431.0

Nutrition Summary

Calories (kcal)

2081.8

Protein (g)

226.9

Carbohydrate (g)

9.7

Fat (g)

124.9

Fibre (g)

10.6

Fruit & Veg

3.1

Water (litres)

3.5


This is my nutrition for today. I dont think i am cutting back on my fat intake, to be honest i dont really look at the fat content any more i just look at the carbs.



i have just checked and i am still not in ketosis, i have been 10 days on lower than 15g of carbs a day. well the sticks didnt change colour. i must be doing something wrong. i had beef, cheese, pork scratchings one protein shake. chicken breast with bacon and 100g of mushroos for dinner.



I have only just found this board so i am going to have a look around to see if i can get some tips.

[countryhippie]

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Hi there.
I am new to this program but I was on a program 2 years ago where I had to use keto sticks. After not getting a reading and complaining, the counselor said, " You know no one has gotten a reading today! Maybe they are bad." Turns out the next bottle she opened for clients to use...everyone got some sort of reading.
I am no expert but check the date on your keto sticks. They could be bad. There are actually several things that could cause them to not read properly. Maybe throw away that bottle and get a new one.
Good Luck

[kate58]

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You NEED to look at the fat content. The fat must be high. The whole principle of this way of eating is that you have primarily a fat burning metabolism. For this to happen you must eat more fat.

I ran those numbers though Fitday and they come out at 54%:2%:44% (thats Fat:Carb:Protein). A typical induction day should be around 65%:5%:30%.

It would be ok for the fat to be even a bit higher than 65% (there are days when mine goes over 70% even now) - but yours is too low and your protein is too high. It's not a matter of discovering how much protein you can eat before it's turned into glucose, it's simply a matter of eating enough fat.

You need to up your fat AND your carbs. Eat up to your 20g a day carbs - lowering them more drastically will make no difference, especially when you are eating a lot of protein, as you are.

To be honest those numbers are all very well, but what really matters is WHAT you are eating - where the calories come from. Posting a detailed menu would be much more helpful and allow people to give you better advice than just seeing grams of this and that nutrient. What you do say you eat sounds like mostly protein - and are you still having a protein shake as wel?

Also - keep an eye on your percentages, and while you are getting used to eating this way adjust your diet to keep them in line. It does become second nature after a while, but at the start takes some fiddling around to get right.

[sallyseachange]

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Too much protein jumps out at me too... also, don't stress the ketostix; they should be a guide only. If they show pink, even only mildly, you're in ketosis (but you still don't know if you're burning body fat or dietary fat, so... *shrugs*). Some members reached goal with the stixs never colouring though. There are loads of variables: hydration, alcohol consumption... etc.