A Mayo Clinic's Specialist - on Atkins

[Chicklady]

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I think you are on to something there!

On the calorie thing, that isn't true for me either. My calories did go a bit low for a short time on induction and just after it, when appetite suppression was extreme, but I now eat more calories than I ever did when dieting low-fat, and very close to what I ate when not watching my food at all - and I never really lost any weight to speak of on low-fat and put it on when eating 'normally'. It isn't the calories that do it, they are not all the same.

Me too. i had a couple of weeks of 1300-1400 calories, but now I eat right around 2000 every day. So far, knock wood , I'm still losing. in fact, at the 40ish net carbs i currently consume, I could live happily ever after. I feel deprived of nothing, give or take a pint of Ben&Jerry's

[Sheepie]

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No warm fuzzies here either. It sounds so grudgingly neutral.

[Debi2007]

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No warm fuzzies here either. It sounds so grudgingly neutral.

Neutral is better than "the diet will kill you." lol

[Debi2007]

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Too bad I can't take credit for it. I was just repeating what Gary Taubes said in an interview. I'd like to link to it but I can't remember which interview it was.

It would be so great if there was a thread that we could post Gary Taubes links and such. I couldn't find any threads specific to his theories, but I see lots of posts about him. I watched a link yesterday in a thread and now I can't find it again...lol. It was amazing.

[ValidRouge]

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I don't agree with the low calorie theory either! In the very beginning when i was under 20 net grams of carbs a day, and ketosis had settled in with a DEEP appetite suppression my calories could be quite low. As I added carbs (the good kind) back into my diet, that deep appetite suppression lessened. Note that the weight loss DID NOT LESSEN. Anyway, I now eat around 2000 calories a day or more and I can still lose weight as long as I watch the QUALITY of the foods and carbohydrates I eat. I can consume a LOT of calories and a fairly decent amount of carbs via fresh meats and vegetables and severely limiting processed crap food.

And, if I lost 92 lbs of water weight...well, I guess that's 92 lbs of water that is no longer on my body!!

[Debi2007]

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Well, I think for me the low calorie thing was right on, but I was looking at it from the perspective of a non-dieter versus a low carb dieter. I used to eat so many carbs and I cannot even imagine how many calories I ate in a day. Huge amounts. That was how I read it. Now I am in the right calorie range for the low carb dieting and way beneath what I used to eat.

[brandywine1241]

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It's all about saving face.

All these medical institutions are staring at evidence that they were wrong and don't want to admit how wrong they are. Instead, they'll slowly change their stance and once they've done a full 180, they'll claim that they've been saying all along that low-carb is good for you.

That, and many of the scientists whose life work and reputations are bound to the low fat dogma are retiring and dying off.

[Mirya]

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The ralling cry now seems to be how indispensible fruits & whole grains are to a healthy diet. And they seem to have quit equating fruits and fruit juices. Wonder what they will say when they are forced to acknowledge that berries and melons are added back in half way through the program?

brandywine - I agree with you there. But what they don't tell people is that you can get the SAME vitamins, minerals and nutrients from veggies and meats that you can get from fruits and grains.

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I don't get why this article says we eliminate a food group. If you follow Atkins correctly, you eat vegetables, meats, dairy, nuts, fats, legumes, fruits, starchy veggies, and whole grains. Hrmm, seems like they're all there to me?

I guess I didn't realize that "refined sugar" was a food group...

julirama723 - lol apparently it is now. I mean <sarcastic voice> we have to have SUGAR for the brain to function properly after all lol
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You know I see now what you all mean by not taking what other say to heart. I told a co-worker the other day that I was doing ATKINS and she turned ghost white and said OMG you gonna get kidney failure or a heart attack just like doc A. I was like who lied to you? Dr. A was on his own WOE for nearly 35 years & if it was gonna kill him it would have done it LONG BEFORE OLD AGE .... not to mention his genetic make up was predisposed to heart attacks with or without the WOE. It just took it longer to happen eating right.

I said if you don't agree with it that is fine and its your right but don't try to scare me into staying fat because it won't work. At least I AM DOING something about my obesity as opposed to being like everyone else eating heaping piles of crap and complaining OOOO Im so fat this and im so fat that... Well... To them I say then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT because I am not playing a violin.

[Mirya]

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i think its a conspiracy

[matawguro]

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It would be so great if there was a thread that we could post Gary Taubes links and such. I couldn't find any threads specific to his theories, but I see lots of posts about him. I watched a link yesterday in a thread and now I can't find it again...lol. It was amazing.

Hey, I found the link!

http://www.atkins.com/newsletter-arc...007-newsletter

Most doctors aren’t taught to think like scientists. They’re not taught to be skeptical.

They’re basically trained in med school to receive the wisdom of their professors and to memorize it and learn how to integrate it to diagnose patients. They’re simply not taught to be skeptical of what they’re told.

They're also like anyone else: Once we’ve convinced ourselves that something is true beyond a shadow of a doubt, the natural tendency is to interpret all the evidence to reconcile it with this thing we now know to be true. So even if the evidence actually refutes our hypothesis, we’ll find a way to see it as a confirmation. Or at least to reject it as somehow meaningless.

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I do believe that some of this will be integrated into the conventional wisdom, over the course of about 10 years. So we might see subtle differences in discussions about the actual cause of obesity; it might turn a little more toward the discussion of the regulation of fat tissue. But it’ll be done as though, “Oh, we knew this all along.” (Emphasis mine) There will be no point at which the establishment will say, “Oh you know, until Taubes wrote this book or until
Atkins came along, we actually didn’t know that.” That’s extremely unlikely to ever happen.

[Elizellen]

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You know I see now what you all mean by not taking what other say to heart. I told a co-worker the other day that I was doing ATKINS and she turned ghost white and said OMG you gonna get kidney failure or a heart attack just like doc A. I was like who lied to you?

You could also have said - Dr Atkins didnt die from a heart attack. He slipped on ice while working to work and died in hospital after hitting his head on the pavement.
The only way you could agree that his WOE contributed to his 'early' death was that at the age of 72 he was still putting in a full day at work and was fit enough to walk there and back every day. If he had not been fit enough to do that he might not have slipped and fallen!!