Cinnamon

[Thinker]

Hey guys - are any of you taking Cinnamon as a supplement? I've seen some conflicting stuff. Basically, it appears to possible weapon against insulin resistance. The studies look like they are in the formative stage - but the idea seems right.

Is anyone taking it? Anyone had good results?

Best,

Thinker

[Sherri]

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Hello Thinker,
I once had Typ-2 Diabetes. When starting Atkins four years ago I was able to reverse it within 48 days. Along with essential supplements. Cinnamon was just one of the supplements. I took 500 mg a day and it brought my glucose down by 40 points. Other essential supplements to get glucose levels stablized are-
Alpha-Lopic Acid- no known side effects
Chromium Picolinate- helps stablize glucose levels.
Pro-Biotics- for yeast problems
Olive Leaf Extract- AntiFungul
Noni Juice- normalizes glucose levels
Grapeseed extract w/ Resveratrol- prevents damage to blood vessels
Milk Thystle- helps liver process the glucose in blood stream.
Make sure when you add supplement to any medication regimen that you monitor your blood glucose levels closely. Your levels will drop. Alway consult with your physician so that he monitors you closely aswell.
I kept having to drop meds untill finally one day I no longer needed them. I was just informed by my physician last month that I am at no risk for Diabetes again. I have been Diabetes free now for almost 4 years. Thanks Atkins
Best of health and lite to you Thinker.
Sincerely, Sherri

[SunnySmile501]

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Here is some information that has helped me understand the use of cinnamon and cloves for insulin problems:

Cinnamon, Cloves May Spice Up Health
By Alan Mozes, HealthDay Reporter
HealthDay

WEDNESDAY, April 5 (HealthDay News) -- Help against diabetes and heart disease may be as close as your kitchen cabinets.
Two new studies suggest that cinnamon and cloves boost insulin function while lowering cholesterol. The reports were presented Tuesday at the Experimental Biology meeting, in San Francisco.
One study reinforced previous research indicating that as little as a quarter teaspoon of cinnamon extract, taken two times a day, can stimulate insulin-like activity while lowering triglycerides, cholesterol and glucose levels by 10 percent to 30 percent.
And this new research found that the same amount of cinnamon may also alleviate inflammatory conditions such as arthritis.
The second study revealed that a few grams of cloves per day delivers a similar therapeutic effect.
Either spice might help both pre-diabetic and diabetic patients alike, researchers contended.
"If you can improve insulin function the cholesterol goes down, triglycerides go down, glucose goes down, and all this goes towards the alleviation of type 2 diabetes," said Richard A. Anderson, a research chemist with the nutrient requirements and functions laboratory at the U.S. Department of Agriculture in Beltsville, Md.
In the lab, Anderson and his team studied the effect of consuming one to six grams of cinnamon extract a day. One gram is the equivalent of about a half a teaspoon.
They found that cinnamon increases levels of three important proteins crucial to promoting normal insulin-signaling processes, a healthy inflammatory response, and efficient glucose transportation throughout the body.
Human trials are now underway to further understand cinnamon's effect.
The clove study involved 36 men and women diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Three groups of patients consumed either one, two or three grams of cloves for 30 days in capsule form, while a fourth consumed none of the spice.
At the end of the study, regardless of the amount of cloves consumed, all those who ingested cloves showed a drop in glucose, triglycerides and LDL ("bad") cholesterol levels. Blood levels of HDL ("good") cholesterol were not affected among the clove eaters. Those who did not ingest cloves experienced no changes.
"The people who would benefit the most are those who have impairments in their blood sugar," said Anderson. "These are the 40 million people with metabolic syndrome who are pre-diabetic, people with type 2 diabetes, and even the severely diabetic and the severely overweight -- although they may not benefit as much because the impairments in their insulin are much, much worse."
Anderson cautioned, however, that consumers should not simply start dousing their food with cloves and cinnamon. He noted, for example, that cinnamon in powder form is rendered ineffective by contact with saliva, and its lack of solubility in water can result in an unwanted build up of the spice in the body.
"But I certainly think there are things people can do," he added. "We recommend you add cinnamon to your coffee before you grind it, as this eliminates, in essence, the toxic components of cinnamon. Or you can use cinnamon sticks to make tea in hot water, which does the same thing. Or you can buy the cinnamon capsules in the store with the water-soluble extract in the equivalent of 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoons twice a day.
Cathy Nonas, director of the obesity and diabetes program at North General Hospital in New York City, expressed reserved enthusiasm for the food studies.
She stressed that more large-scale studies need to be conducted to identify the best way to use the spices, as well as any long-term side effects.
"The findings are terrific," she noted, "but they don't take away from important food and lifestyle issues -- from the need to do all the difficult things like make correct food choices and exercise. So this alone is not the solution, and it's important for people to understand that. Unfortunately, we can't now just all go out and have cinnamon Danishes and cinnamon ice cream."
Also released at the meeting was a study that explored the potential downsides to two popular herbal remedies: St. John's wort and echinacea.
A research team led by Christopher Gorski, from the division of clinical pharmacology at Indiana University's School of Medicine in Indianapolis, found that both preparations appear to affect the way many non-herbal drugs are metabolized by altering the normal activity levels of a specific metabolic-controlling enzyme found in the liver and intestine.
He and his colleagues noted that when drugs are metabolized too quickly or too slowly they can lose their benefit entirely, or even become toxic.
Up to one-quarter of all prescription and over-the-counter medications are vulnerable to this type of herbal interference, the researchers said. These include oral contraceptives, high blood pressure drugs, and anti-rejection therapies taken by organ transplant patients.
While the impact of St. John's wort on metabolism has been noted in prior studies, Gorski's work with patients taking either a pre-surgery relaxant drug or oral contraception showed that one enzyme in particular is the conduit for the metabolic problem -- cytochrome P450 3A4.
When either patient group took St. John's wort, this enzyme became abnormally active, and the relevant drug was metabolized much more rapidly than normal.
Echinacea -- which had not previously been identified as having a metabolic impact -- was similarly found to change the metabolic behavior of a number of enzymes involved in the absorption of common medications.
Gorski said that, pending further study, patients should be leery of taking herbal supplements when they are also taking prescription or non-prescription drugs.
"The interaction potential or effect of combinations of different herbal supplements is unknown," he cautioned. "(And) the assumption that herbal supplements are safer and more efficacious than prescription medicines is not supported."
"Herbal supplements taken for the prevention or treatment of an illness are by definition drugs," he added. "In comparison to pharmaceuticals which contain a single active ingredient, herbal supplement contain many active compounds. These active compounds -- ingredients -- have not been fully identified or characterized in regard to adverse effects, drug interactions or efficacy."

SOURCES: Richard A. Anderson, Ph.D., research chemist, nutrient requirements and functions laboratory, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Beltsville, Md.; Christopher Gorski, Ph.D., Indiana University School of Medicine, Division of Clinical Pharmacology, Wishard Memorial Hospital, Indianapolis; Cathy Nonas, R.D., director, obesity and diabetes program, North General Hospital, N.Y., and spokeswoman, American Dietetic Association; April 4, 2006, presentations, Experimental Biology meeting, San Francisco

[Thinker]

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Hi!

Thank you guys so much! I'm not a diabetic - just a classic insulin resistant guy right out of Dr. Atkins book. So, I was thinking Cinnamon would make sense - since it is supposed to help fight insulin resistance. Does that sound about right?

[losetocruise]

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Wow what great info in this thread! I never knew about the insulin effect of cinnamon.

ButI did know that Dr. Atkins and other medical personnel have said there is a direct correllation between certain spices including, cinnamon, curry, cumin and others to your metabolic rate. i understand most of these "hot" spices will boost the metabolism quite a bit.

Put that together with the effect on insulin and I'll be off to buy some cinnamon casules today.

[Thinker]

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Wow what great info in this thread! I never knew about the insulin effect of cinnamon.

ButI did know that Dr. Atkins and other medical personnel have said there is a direct correllation between certain spices including, cinnamon, curry, cumin and others to your metabolic rate. i understand most of these "hot" spices will boost the metabolism quite a bit.

Put that together with the effect on insulin and I'll be off to buy some cinnamon casules today.

Well....I've been taking it for a couple of days - and I haven't really noticed very much. I would have to say I'm unusually "not hungry" ....and I've lost 5lbs in 3 days. But I think that has more to do with my dropping back down into induction than anything else.

Nevertheless - it seems to be good stuff and harmless - BUT I wouldn't take too much. Some of the websites say that super-large-doses can be toxic. (I saw studies giving people 3 grams - which is a ton - so I think large is relative).

I've also started taking Alpha-Lipolic-Acid (sp?). An earlier poster mentioned the same stuff - it is supposed to have a similar effect.

Thinker....

[losetocruise]

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I see from the article posted by Sunny Smiles that some herbals can affect prescription and non prescription drugs you are already taking too. I knew "drgus" could interact but did not know herbals had this affect as well. Do any of you have experience using cinnamon as a supplement while taking Celebrex?

I would like to wean myself gradually off the clelebrex since it can have some side effects with long term use, but need it for now for bad knee arthritis.

Would love to hear from someone with experience with both.

[rain-]

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And I would like to ask if someone could recommend a good brand of cinnamon capsules (from eBay, for example). I'd love to get the best.

[fluffyman]

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I'm a Type 1 diabetic, and my opthamologist suggested taking cinnamon because it helps increase insulin sensitivity, thereby reducing my insulin dosage. It should have the same effect on insulin resistance.

[Thinker]

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And I would like to ask if someone could recommend a good brand of cinnamon capsules (from eBay, for example). I'd love to get the best.

I haven't shopped this, but I've been taking GNC's - those are just fine for me thus far.

[Thinker]

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Just as an update guys - I"ve been taking this (3 times a day or so at 250mg per pill) and Alpha Lipolic Acid.

I haven't had a sugar crash and my weight loss has been terrific.

Is it related? Who knows - but I bought some more.

[SunnySmile501]

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I bought a bottle of Cinnamon plus chromium and will start taking it tomorrow. I didn't want the chromium in it, but the other choice didn't look too good (had dextrose, etc. in it). 2 capsules contains 1000mg of cinnamon and 100mcg of chromium. I plan on taking 6 capsules a day so I can get in 3 grams (3000mg) of cinnamon. I already take 800mcg of chromium every day, so I'll have to cut down on that.

I don't usually weigh but once a week, but I have weighed every day for 14 days, while taking my regular supplements, so I will have a base for gaging if this helps me in any way.

I have been taking 600mg of alpha liopic acid a day for years, but I take it for a disorder called Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, so I was taking it prior to Atkins. It certianly helps with nerve pain.

I'm going to wait awhile before starting taking cloves so I can tell if the cinnamon workes by itself. I will be weighing every day and although I journal all my food and water, I am going to keep additional journal entries to keep track of my supplements and how I react to everything.

Sunny!

[murphy'smom]

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Thank you so much for this post!! My mom bought me a bottle of Cinn-Max Cinnamon 500mg. Just cinnamon and the capsules, no 'extra' stuff in there. It says to take two capsules a day, with a meal. The only question I have is, is there carbs in these pills? What about fiber? It doesn't say on the bottle.

[murphy'smom]

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I went to Walgreens.com, and they have 1000mg Cinnamon capsules, and they say that 2 capsules (2000mg) has one carb in it. So, I take 1000mg a day, or half a carb. Nothing to worry about! LOL

[SunnySmile501]

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I went to Walgreens.com, and they have 1000mg Cinnamon capsules, and they say that 2 capsules (2000mg) has one carb in it. So, I take 1000mg a day, or half a carb. Nothing to worry about! LOL

All spices have some carbs, some more than others, but the cinnamon controls what carbs cause, so it won't matter.

Dr. A mentioned that spices and herbs have some carbs, but it is okay to use them. If you are on induction, there's no way the 3 cups of veggies have 20 grams of carbs, so he was leaving room for all the stuff that does have some carbs like diary (cheese, cream, cream cheese, sour cream), herbs and spices, lemon juice, olives, etc.