Induction VS OWL

[TheMasterMind776]

Okay, now don't get me wrong. I read this book over and over.. 5 years ago. I was 243lbs, I did Atkins for 4 months and lost 60lbs bring me down to 183lbs. I was a new person. I am very strict on myself. I'm the kind of person if I have a carb more than I should, I'll be so disappointment in myself and hate myself for 3 days. My question is: Why are the rules more strict on Induction then OWL? What's the difference? Why aren't you allowed to have crystal light? Why aren't you allowed to have a beer? Michelob Ultra is low in carbs, so is the MGD 64. 2.9 I believe. So what is I have one beer after work?

Another question. This Mock cake or whatever it is. It says Vanilla Extract. That contains sugar? How is that allowed? Or heavy cream has >1 on it for sugar? That is allowed? I am confused? One more question. I could do this forever. Bell Peppers. Does anybody know a carb count on them?

[blueberrylady]

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The reason for induction being strict is to teach your body to switch from burning carbs as its primary fuel to burning fat. Atkins is a high fat diet. That's the reason you can have heavy cream...it's high in fat. Beer isn't allowed until rung 5, if then, because of the alcohol. Your body will burn it instead of fat, so wine or other spirits are preferred to beer. I don't know about vanilla extract. Bell peppers have 3.5 carbs per 1/2 cup.

Berating yourself for little mistakes does nothing but waste time and energy and erodes your resolve to take good care of yourself. What's done, is done. Let it go. Would you be mad at a friend if they ate 1 too many carbs? I doubt it. Learn to treat yourself with the same respect you would give to someone else because you deserve it as much as they do. Good luck and keep posting.

[Brook]

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<snip> Why are the rules more strict on Induction then OWL? What's the difference? Why aren't you allowed to have crystal light? Why aren't you allowed to have a beer? Michelob Ultra is low in carbs, so is the MGD 64. 2.9 I believe. So what is I have one beer after work?

Hi TMM

The rules are strict on Induction for a variety of reasons. The first is to bring you back to the basics and re-teach you to eat from scratch. Atkins Induction menu is really very pure, so far as it goes. It cuts out *everything* and brings you back to square one. When playing baseball you don't start at 2nd base and run back to first, right?

Crystal Light is artificial and it has sweeteners. You're allowed three servings of sweetener a day and you're to avoid aspartame.

Beer- What's in beer again? Are it's ingredients on the allowed foods list for induction? - Nope. They're not. If it were just about the carb count, why can't we eat 1/100th of a Snickers bar?! - It's not just about the carb count. It's about WHAT the carbs consist of and where they come from.

And Dr. Atkins said so. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Another question. This Mock cake or whatever it is. It says Vanilla Extract. That contains sugar? How is that allowed? Or heavy cream has >1 on it for sugar? That is allowed? I am confused? One more question. I could do this forever. Bell Peppers. Does anybody know a carb count on them?

You're picking things apart looking for exceptions. LOL That's cool, but there are very logical reasons

Vanilla Extract- Natural vanilla extract has a miniscule amount of sugar. Unless you're drinking it straight from the bottle....you're not getting squat for sugar out of it. I'm not sure what "mock cake" is, but I can't imagine that you're adding 1 tsp of vanilla extract for *a single serving*. If it's 8 servings, then that <1 *naturally occurring carb (unless it's from alcohol in the extract) is divided by 8. See what I mean? Heavy cream is almost exclusively fat. The carb in heavy cream is from lactose - which is again, naturally occurring. Heavy cream consumption is also *Limited* to less than 1oz a day.

Bell peppers: Yellow- 1.5 per oz, Green- 1.5 per oz, Red- 1.2 per oz.


The rules are in place for a reason. Follow them and you'll be successful! It really does work.

[izza]

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Why do some ppl stay on extended induction?

[not2late]

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My question is: Why are the rules more strict on Induction then OWL? What's the difference? Why aren't you allowed to have crystal light? Why aren't you allowed to have a beer? Michelob Ultra is low in carbs, so is the MGD 64. 2.9 I believe. So what is I have one beer after work?

Induction is the first phase of Atkins. Induction is not the entire Atkins Diet, as many people unfortuntely believe. The only purpose of Induction is to get your body into ketosis/lipolysis, or as Dr. Atkins said, to change your body from a carb burning metabolism to a fat burning one.

On-Going Weight Loss Phase is the second phase of Atkins. It's purpose is to continue losing weight while expanding your food choices. It also helps you learn how to eat for your body and how foods affect your body. These two things will help you maintain your goal weight.

Alcohol is not allowed during Induction Phase. It is a food you may add during OWL Phase. Just be aware that your body will burn alcohol before it will burn fat, protein or carbs, so your weight loss will be put on hold while your body is busy getting rid of the booze.

Okay, now don't get me wrong. I read this book over and over.. 5 years ago.

You have to read the book again. 5 years is a long time ago and it's obvious you've forgotten some things. So re-read the book. That way, you won't be guessing or relying on your memory.

[TheMasterMind776]

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You see when I did this the first time around. I always stayed on induction. except I drank vodka on weekends. I wouldn't put anything in my mouth that even had >1 sugar rating. It had to say 0 or it wasn't going in my body.

So basically, once I am in Ketosis (which I am in now) I can drink. I am plenty strict have have enormous will power to not combine cheating with drinking.

[Brook]

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*I didn't ask the second question on this thread. I know why people stay on Induction. I wouldn't ask that. I would ask though. Since I am confused. So if I pick up a product lets say Ham and it says 2 grams of sugar per serving. That's okay to eat?

It means you should look at the ingredients list on the package to see where it's coming from. A lot of packaged/deli meats are treated with a solution of sugar and sodium. You could always bake a ham yourself, ya know

You see when I did this the first time around. I always stayed on induction. except I drank vodka on weekends. I wouldn't put anything in my mouth that even had >1 sugar rating. It had to say 0 or it wasn't going in my body.

So basically, once I am in Ketosis (which I am in now) I can drink. I am plenty strict have have enormous will power to not combine cheating with drinking.

You could, but that's how the Atkins plan is structured or works.

Honestly- if you can't give up the booze for the first 5-7 weeks, perhaps the food isn't the biggest issue? I'm not saying that to be snarky or mean, and I apologize if it comes off that way, but that's how long it would take - at it's fastest- to climb to the rung where alcohol is allowed on plan. 5-7 weeks.

Why don't you try following the Atkins plan and see what happens? It isn't eating 0 carbs and drinking when ya hit ketosis!

[TheMasterMind776]

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Bake a ham? I'm a male. I stay out of the kitchen. So when ordering cold cuts, how do I go about knowing which ones have sugar and which ones don't? What will 2 grams of sugar do to me?

I live in Las Vegas and am 32 years old and single? I work in an industry where all the big clubs call me on a daily basis and offer me a free table and bottle? How do you expect me to go 7 weeks without drinking? I may need to switch diets. ugggg

[not2late]

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Some people can drink alcohol and not have it affect their weight loss. And others can't. Dr. Atkins said it was because for some people, yeast problems interfere with their weight loss and alcohol potentiates those yeast problems.

[not2late]

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Why do some ppl stay on extended induction?

There's a number of reasons and since I've been a member of this board, here are the ones I can tell you.

1. They think Induction is the entire Atkins Diet.

2. They think they can lose "faster" if they stay on Induction.

3. They keep falling off the diet with cheats here and there so they never leave Induction phase because they're constantly "starting over" and they keep "going back" to Induction to "get back into ketosis."

4. They are too lazy to move to On Going Weight Loss phase because Induction is simple to do and it doesn't take much thought to do it.

5. They think they have a high metabolic resistance to weight loss because they lost "only" 10 pounds during Induction.

[Georgiana]

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Bake a ham? I'm a male. I stay out of the kitchen. So when ordering cold cuts, how do I go about knowing which ones have sugar and which ones don't? What will 2 grams of sugar do to me?

Give you cravings and make you stuff your face with all the junk you can find. When this happens, those 2 g will not make anything other than the food you had eaten before did... i.e. make you gain weight.

I live in Las Vegas and am 32 years old and single? I work in an industry where all the big clubs call me on a daily basis and offer me a free table and bottle? How do you expect me to go 7 weeks without drinking? I may need to switch diets. ugggg

If someone gives me a gun it doesn't mean I have to use it, do I? YOU choose if you drink from that bottle or not!

[TheMasterMind776]

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Thanks not2late for your thinking on why people stay on induction. Now I understand... I was really baffled before your magic 5 reasons.

[TheMasterMind776]

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okay, I am not concerned about cravings. I don't fall short to hunger pangs. I am dedicated and goal oriented. But I am in a business where I have to be social. I am a VIP host of a very popular nightclub. My off nights I have to mingle with other hosts and guests. It requires me to try new vodkas and accept offers as free nights out or I will no longer have my job. I know you don't understand this. Just know, I am forced to drink Vodka. Also know, I lost 60lbs in 4 months without exercising, so I am not some schmuck that can't walk past Mcdonalds.