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  • #16
    Re: Behavioral Support

    Originally posted by kibskix View Post
    1. "Dieting" makes you feel deprived. Its a negative word. No one -really- wants to look at themselves negatively while they're attempting to do something good for themselves. I know WAY too many girls my age that the only way they even get motivated to lose weight is with negativity. "Oh my god I HATE Myself i'm SO going on a diet" Its sick. I don't use the word.

    2. Laziness. I hate to be a brat, and its not entirely their fault either. All these fad diets promising overnight results. Girls who lose 2 lbs a week and they think they're doing BADLY. People don't have a healthy perspective of losing weight in general, that any loss is a good loss, and that its a long haul, not a sprint. So when people realize omg I have to -work- to get this to come off? Its a lot harder than they realized, and they tend to back out. Its scary, especially if you already feel self conscious and like you're doing it all by yourself. A support system is vital.

    3. Miracle Mindset. People who DO get the weight to come off, and they work nice and hard and now they're happy. This is good! They have self confidence now and throw caution to the wind and go out and celebrate their miracle diet plan by.... totally reversing it. the "I lost 30 lbs, i'm going to reward myself with a cake" sort of thing.

    4. ALL of this stems from #4. Deprivation, or what I like to call, the Whiny Child inside all of us. If you stay in the mindset of "I hate this i'm being punished I can't have ANY of the things I WANT" you will fail. period. You can't make a positive change in your life without a positive outlook. My mother for instance, has tried to do atkins with me, but her head just isnt in it, its not clicking, and after about half a day she just sits and complains, and cheats. she's watched me lose weight in the first 8 days doing a clean induction, but she's very much the "That isnt fair", "I cant eat like that forever" "what could it hurt" girl. And no matter how many times I say "it isnt forever" it doesn't matter. Its an excuse, and its why she isn't losing weight.

    5. Losing weight is not just a physical change, its surprisingly emotional too. It varies from person to person, but its much harder for people who eat emotionally, or hide behind their weight. Its surprising to me how many people, once they lose weight, sabotage themselves because they're afraid of being thin. Its the "what if" machine. what if I dont keep it off, what if people notice i'm gaining weight again and judge me, what if what if what if. You psych yourself out! Also people who eat for comfort, eat for bordom, eat for whatever. You HAVE HAVE HAVE to break the habits, and lifelong habits may take a round or two or five to get rid of. But those core emotional issues must be dealt with to be successful.


    As far as the behavioral part of the atkins plan that you asked about... You really can't describe it. I've tried, and you come of sounding like a babbling cultist lol. But i'll attempt it one more time!
    BEFORE atkins... I was not healthy. I did not feel healthy. I could almost FEEL the icky laziness of my lifestyle. There was no pride in myself, and that holds you back from doing every day things other people do. It holds you back emotionally from people you love. Your food makes you sleepy, and upsets your tummy, and its not being put to any use, and you can tell that all that crap you just ate is just sitting there waiting to be turned into more fat.
    NOW, I am on daay... nine. Only nine days, not terribly long, right? I feel entirely different than the person I was 10 days ago.
    *My sleeping habits corrected themselves on their own. I used to stay up till 2am on my butt on the computer! Now I feel naturally tired around 10 or 11 (and let me tell you how unbelievably GOOD being naturally tired IS!) and I wake up at 6 or 7!
    *My skin is... different! lol Its hard to explain. The last time my boyfriend saw me he said "theres a... glow about you". And he didn't know I had started eating differently either. Its clearer, and softer.
    *I don't feel guilty about what I put in my body, and just that change alone has an amazing effect on my mood.
    *Speaking of my mood. I am honest to god -ecstatic- when I wake up in the morning. I no longer drag my butt around, dying for coffee. I jump out of bed, and am instantly clear-headed and aware. I feel... whats the word... excited. All the time! Its ridiculous! I have so much energy, i've caught myself wiggling my butt and making up silly songs when i'm cooking. I smile and laugh a LOT more.
    *Because of aaalll those things, I'm kinder to people. I'm more patient. I'm more able to focus. You wouldn't think you could notice all those changes in a little over a week, but thats how amazing atkins is. you wake up one day and say hello to a new feeling in your own skin. It suddenly becomes less about losing weight, and more about living this way and feeling this way. The weight loss is a fantastic icing on this cake, but I would do atkins purely for the way it makes me feel. My body is burning fat 24/7. I never feel hungry, I am always satisfied. and my lack of hunger isn't coming from some disgusting franken-shake, or some pill with god knows what in it. I'm not starving myself then trying to duct tape my tummys mouth so it won't complain! I eat about 4 times a day, with veggies in every single meal, and a LOT of water. You get energy from your food, it doesn't weigh you down. Your body begins to work like a well oiled machine in that sense, and not an overstuffed picnic basket! You can just tell.
    Atkins is awesome.

    Kibstix... you said it perfectly!! I could have written this just about word for word, because I too experience this exact same effect of this way of life , way of eating... It feels sooo good being in control, doesn't it?
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    • #17
      Re: Behavioral Support

      Originally posted by HardRuler View Post
      This forum seem like a support group so I would expect the results to be higher than for people who did Atkins on their own but honestly there really are not a whole lot of success stories even here.
      How can you say that if you have looked around this forum and read the many threads showing longterm members' successfully remaining at their goal weights??
      Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
      Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



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      F/60 yrs/5ft 5.5" (Though due to collapsing vertebrae I am now only 5'3" - but I refuse to recalculate my BMI )

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      • #18
        Re: Behavioral Support

        Originally posted by HardRuler View Post
        This forum seem like a support group so I would expect the results to be higher than for people who did Atkins on their own but honestly there really are not a whole lot of success stories even here.
        I agree with Elizellen... it doesn't seem like you're looking very hard for success stories.

        On another note... you don't include very much info in your profile. And I see that you have listed your starting, current, and goal weight as 150 pounds. What is your deal, with regard to your own weight... have you ever been overweight? If so, how did you lose it, and how long has it been since you reached goal? What is your age, height, and gender?

        You're making a lot of statements about us, but have told us very little about yourself. I get the impression that you're not exactly 100% pro-Atkins.


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        • #19
          Re: Behavioral Support

          Originally posted by HardRuler View Post
          What can anyone tell me about the behavioral part of the Atkins weight loss plan?

          I ask because the average success rate for diets is 2%. I don't mean to be a wet blanket. I am a weight loss counselor and I have found that regardless of the diet compliance is usually the issue. I have had many former low carbers, Jenny Craig drop outs, zoned out Zoners and Ornish orphans come to me for help and I have been very successful with them.

          Why do you think it is that so many dieters fall of the wagon?
          Just how successful are you as a weight loss counselor? Do you have any documentation to back that statement up? Website? Published data that has been peer-reviewed? You say on another post that you are a writer. Have you had anything published that we can review?

          Dr. Atkins had tens of thousands of successful patients in his career of over 40 years. He wrote about them and this way of life extensively. Other people wrote about low carb extensively and they all consider Atkins the pioneer of getting this country back to the way we were meant to eat.

          Doctors Michael and Mary Dan Eades are still in business with a thriving medical practice based of regaining health with high protein, low carbohydrate eating. They have been teaching this way of eating for close to 30 years. If it did not work, they would be out of business. If their patients were all stricken with all these health problems that you think comes from ingesting protein and fat, they would have a hard time finding a place to hide all the bodies.

          The Eades have written extensively about this way of living and have many patient histories to back up their claims. Do you? Give us something with which to gauge your success.
          People who say it can't be done, should not interrupt those doing it.


          "Some men give up their designs when they have almost reached the goal; While others, on the contrary, obtain a victory by exerting, at the last moment, more vigorous efforts than ever before."
          ~~Herodotus


          Doin' the "Real Deal" Atkins 2002 since 9/15/2005
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          • #20
            Re: Behavioral Support

            Originally posted by Elizellen View Post
            How can you say that if you have looked around this forum and read the many threads showing longterm members' successfully remaining at their goal weights??
            Because the success stories forum is very small.

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            • #21
              Re: Behavioral Support

              Originally posted by HardRuler View Post
              Because the success stories forum is very small.
              Compared with what??

              Also many members dont post a special thread about their weightloss success - they just live it.
              Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
              Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



              Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!





              F/60 yrs/5ft 5.5" (Though due to collapsing vertebrae I am now only 5'3" - but I refuse to recalculate my BMI )

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              • #22
                Re: Behavioral Support

                Originally posted by HardRuler View Post
                Because the success stories forum is very small.
                So...how big is the success stories forum on your website? You have one don't you? With all the success you've had with Atkins and South Beach dropouts--I'm sure there must be lots of pictures and success stories to prove it. That is not something you'd want to keep secret.
                People who say it can't be done, should not interrupt those doing it.


                "Some men give up their designs when they have almost reached the goal; While others, on the contrary, obtain a victory by exerting, at the last moment, more vigorous efforts than ever before."
                ~~Herodotus


                Doin' the "Real Deal" Atkins 2002 since 9/15/2005
                Sunny's Secrets: My Journal



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                • #23
                  Re: Behavioral Support

                  That isn't an accurate way to measure the success of the membership... I've never put my story there.


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                  • #24
                    Re: Behavioral Support

                    Originally posted by SunnySmile501 View Post
                    Just how successful are you as a weight loss counselor? Do you have any documentation to back that statement up? Website? Published data that has been peer-reviewed? You say on another post that you are a writer. Have you had anything published that we can review?

                    Dr. Atkins had tens of thousands of successful patients in his career of over 40 years. He wrote about them and this way of life extensively. Other people wrote about low carb extensively and they all consider Atkins the pioneer of getting this country back to the way we were meant to eat.

                    Doctors Michael and Mary Dan Eades are still in business with a thriving medical practice based of regaining health with high protein, low carbohydrate eating. They have been teaching this way of eating for close to 30 years. If it did not work, they would be out of business. If their patients were all stricken with all these health problems that you think comes from ingesting protein and fat, they would have a hard time finding a place to hide all the bodies.

                    The Eades have written extensively about this way of living and have many patient histories to back up their claims. Do you? Give us something with which to gauge your success.
                    My techniques are new to weight loss but some RET therapists are using them. I have had very good results. I knew that non compliance was the reason for diet failure so I have developed and am still developing ways to get patients to comply.

                    As to effectiveness of Atkins: Atkins Corp is a billion dollar corporation. Atkins' diet came out in the 70's. It certainly has caught on with million and millions of people but million and millions of people have not lost weight. You may call that success and I think Atkins corp has been wildly successful in Marketing to tens of millions but the fact remains that inspite of the marketing success of Atkins it net effect on obesity has been. If it were truly effective then 70% of Americans would not be obese. That trumps any peer review. Most medical professionals have been very critical of low carb. I have some issues with it but it's effectiveness to cause weight loss would not be one of them. If followed people can lose weight at a slightly higher rate on Atkins and SBD calorie for calorie compared to other weight loss diets. I am no disputing its effectiveness for weight loss. I am merely pointing out that nearly everyone who starts it quits. I don't know if it is a flaw in the nutrition as many suggest because other diets have the same rates of failure.

                    There is no reliable data showing the net effectiveness of any diet. WLS has a proven effectiveness. I have yet to find a diet that is effective for 98% of the people. Last I knew most dieters were doing low carb but as I pointed out the obesity rate is going up not down. Again, Atkins has been around for about 35 years and the obesity rate has sky rocketed. If people were losing weight in record numbers on Atkins and any other diet, that diet would have solved the obesity crisis. Clearly diets have not worked.

                    I use a comprehensive approach that borrows from tried and true therpeutic techniques, fittness regimes and nutrional programs. Recently I cured a 350 pound man (an Atkins drop out) He either could not or would not stick with it. He claimed to not be eating junk food. Claimed to avoid sweets and alcohol. I determined that he was being honest. Even though he quit Atkins he was voracious meat eater. He also kept making vague referrences to emotional trigger bu was unable to articulate what the were. I suggested something to him. It is well understood that biting and chewing are forms of agression. The fact that he was tearing into flesh and not over eating other foods led me to suggest that he had some unresolved agression issues. He told me about a very bad childhood and a nasty father. There was a disconnect with this man. He presented as serene but there was anger flickering below the surface. I an not a psycho therapist but was coinfident that a good one could help him resolve his repressed anger. He had had his fill of shrinks. He has lost 50 pounds so far. He is very optimistic and he is working out and he bought a punching bag. His life is more manageable. He remarked to me how much he liked the high fiber diet he was on. He says it eliminates the paper work. I eat a very high fiber diet and I am not using much toliet paper. Humans are the only animal that has to wipe.

                    I am about 70% effective but I think I will improve on that.

                    Do you know the % of people who did Atkins and the % who kept weight off? Can you post a link to a study?

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                    • #25
                      Re: Behavioral Support

                      Originally posted by mitzimarie View Post
                      That isn't an accurate way to measure the success of the membership... I've never put my story there.
                      People are quick to share their successes. They want to inspire others and they want to brag.

                      I have yet to read a valid study that charted long term success of Atkins or any other diet.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Behavioral Support

                        I smell what my cousin Paul would call a ****-stirrer-upper. At first I thought the OP was making an observation and wanted to know more about Atkins, but on second thought if you are the amazing weight loss strategist/counselor you claim to be then I'm sure you would already know the in's and out's of exactly what Dr. Atkins taught. On a side note, I'd love to see your credentials as well. Did you know that I can call myself a contractor in the State of Texas as long as I own a shovel and a wheelbarrow? Or that no matter which state I live in I can call myself a therapist and not even have my GED, much less a diploma and medical license! Food for thought...

                        As for my opinion, everyone has different body chemistry. Everyone has different motivations. All in all, everyone is different. Not even identical twins are identical in every way.

                        With that being said, the thing that I have noticed about this forum is that the people here are dedicated to bettering their lives not for the benefit of others, but the benefit of themselves. Most people who go on diets do it to lose that extra 10 lbs so they look better in a swimsuit for the summer or some other insane reason such as that. After they have achieved their goal they go right back to their old lifestyle and then wonder why they play the same game the following Spring.

                        This forum brings together people who are making changes in all aspects of their life. I am sure you would find the success rates here higher than any of the statistics that you can pull out of thin air. (Ahhh the anonymity of the internet lends to such amazing, astounding statistics!!!) Sure, Dr. Atkin's books have sold well, as have the Zone books and the South Beach books and all those other "diet" books out there. I read the South Beach diet and played with it a bit a few years ago. Does the fact that I bought and read the book make me one of those number in your statistics? Absolutely not. 4 years ago I wasn't this heavy and wanted to lose those extra lbs for selfish, vain reasons. Now I am doing Atkins because the severity of my situation has rung true and I realize that if I don't change the way I live NOW that I might not be able to change it tomorrow.

                        All in all I suppose weight loss comes down to your own personal convictions and motivations. Some people claim they want to change, but they really don't. Denial is the hardest ego defense mechanism to break. As for this forums, it is a great help to read of others success (of which there has been plenty!) and use that as even MORE motivation for my own personal journey.

                        If the OP would like to have a serious discussion and pose some questions as opposed to making half-hearted remarks and phony statistics I would love to see that. My guess is that won't be happening though.



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                        Age: 25
                        Height: 6'2"; 1.89 meters
                        Starting Weight: 308 lbs; 140 kg
                        Atkins Start Date: 2/21/09
                        Mini Goal 1: 300 lbs; 136 kg reached 2/26/09
                        Mini Goal 2: 290 lbs; 132 kg reached 4/14/09
                        Mini Goal 3: 280 lbs; 127 kg reached 7/9/09
                        Mini Goal 4: 260 lbs; 118 kg
                        Mini Goal 5: 240 lbs; 109 kg
                        Mini Goal 6: 230 lbs; 105 kg NO LONGER OBESE!
                        Mini Goal 7: 220 lbs; 100 kg
                        Final Goal Weight: 195 lbs; 88 kg

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                        • #27
                          Re: Behavioral Support

                          I would like to know exactly what your intention is on this site. It's apparently you are not following Atkins, do not intend to, and are not here to provide Atkins support or receive any.

                          People that join support sites and bulletin boards with the intention of causing friction and heating up threads are referred to as trolls. Your purpose for posting here is raising my suspicions.

                          And like Mitzi, I also a successful goalie who has not posted her 'success story'...you can not use one bulletin boards success stories forum as the basis for writing off any WOE.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Behavioral Support

                            Weight loss is not only physical for many people. For many it is also a mental & spiritual process. I don't measure my success just on the pounds & inches loss. I measure it in the way I feel, the fact that I can think clearly, I sleep better, I no longer snore, I have more stamina, I'm happier & I look forward to what my future brings. I am more than a statistic!
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                            F/5'10/47
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                            "Happiness is a habit~cultivate it." Elbert Hubbard
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                            • #29
                              Re: Behavioral Support

                              Originally posted by sadie147 View Post
                              I would like to know exactly what your intention is on this site. It's apparently you are not following Atkins, do not intend to, and are not here to provide Atkins support or receive any.

                              People that join support sites and bulletin boards with the intention of causing friction and heating up threads are referred to as trolls. Your purpose for posting here is raising my suspicions.
                              I second this. This is an Atkins support board. The reason for your membership is suspect.


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                              • #30
                                Re: Behavioral Support

                                Originally posted by sadie147 View Post
                                I would like to know exactly what your intention is on this site. It's apparently you are not following Atkins, do not intend to, and are not here to provide Atkins support or receive any.

                                People that join support sites and bulletin boards with the intention of causing friction and heating up threads are referred to as trolls. Your purpose for posting here is raising my suspicions.

                                And like Mitzi, I also a successful goalie who has not posted her 'success story'...you can not use one bulletin boards success stories forum as the basis for writing off any WOE.
                                Wait a minute. I have been nothing but polite and inquisitive.

                                Secondly, I started this thread because I was curious about the behavioral support in the Atkins plan.

                                Thirdly there are many many many many other threads here so if I am a troll or a stirrer upper why have so many folks responded.

                                I have a premise that diets don't work. So far all the evidence points to that. This is a support forum and I would expect that the % success rate would be higher yet I have no proof of that either.

                                I smell censorship of the worst kind. I am not coming on and saying stuff like Atkins was obese when he died or low carb can cause keto acidosis or that carb starvation causes psychosis. Nor have I posted link to articles proving that. I am asking questions about behavioral support. Personally I would not do low carb but that is me because based on what I know it is not very effective or safe but that is simply my opinion. Am I entitled to express my opinion here?

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