Pizza and cake on Atkins

[spinky]

i think that its a sad statement to think that a piece of wedding cake will never end up in your stomach...in 10 years i have gained 15 pounds back and ive eaten pretty much the way i wanted..which was fairly normal, but of course at parties i had whatever everyone else was eating...i knew when to eat stuff like that and when not too..its when you find yourself saying its ok if i eat this over and over until your ONLY making bad choices.

[spinky]

Re: What excuse do you have......

i will say eating healthy sure makes you feel good. but i would not want to live on a world where you couldnt get a slice of pizza or go to a party and have cake.

it may mean my little butt is up at 6am jogging though

lol

[Georgiana]

Re: What excuse do you have......

but i would not want to live on a world where you couldnt get a slice of pizza or go to a party and have cake.

i think that its a sad statement to think that a piece of wedding cake will never end up in your stomach..

spinky, this is an Atkins board. Most people here want to make Atkins their way of life, so we support them, not encourage them to eat cake and pizza. If you have a high CCLL, you can eat pizza once you reach Maintenance.

[spinky]

Re: What excuse do you have......

spinky, this is an Atkins board. Most people here want to make Atkins their way of life, so we support them, not encourage them to eat cake and pizza. If you have a high CCLL, you can eat pizza once you reach Maintenance.

no no. please dont get me wrong, we are here to eat healthy and lose and or maintain a healthy weight..

what i meant was that any diet that tells you your never ever going to eat some of the things you love is a horrible diet. and the word diet isnt even a good word..

its about being healthy...and part of being healthy is eating pleasure foods from time to time...ive read the atkins book, he knows and supports those times when you go out for your favorite meal...its about being sensible...its not healthy at all to say i will never eat a pizza or taco or whatever....

im just saying its about balance thats all....making good choices..

i consider someone that is working out 5 times a week, and being eating fruit and veggies and good whole grains for weeks and weeks then going out for a slice (i am saying slice not slices) of pizza is making good choices...

we all know what works for us..if it doesnt then dont if it does then do....some people may be able to have a carby meal once a month..some maybe every other week, some weekly..everyone is different..

[Rhondascissorhands]

Re: What excuse do you have......

I understand! My brother did atkins 4 years ago. He has kept all of his weight off. He did induction, then after that, he had one carb item once a day. If he had fruit that day, then he would eat no more full on carb. Then, if he had a piece of whole wheat bread for lunch, then he ate no more carb that day. He did this until he lost his 45 pounds. He also ran on the treadmill at his work during lunch, monday thru friday. Once he lost the weight, he would eat in moderation until he saw what made his weight go up etc... then back to induction for 3 days to correct. Then he knew what he could have, and how often. He has kept up the running, and looks and feels great. He knows he can't eat whatever he wants as a general rule. He just makes the choice of when, how much, and how often. I am proud of him. I got him started on the running, and he has kept it up. He is 39 years old.

[spinky]

Re: What excuse do you have......

you nailed it. one must find out what works for himself or herself. glad to hear he is exercising..without that, all this is a joke....anyone can get skinny really...but to be healthy..those are two different subjects all together...

i went out for pizza once a month...that was my treat...keeping in mind, i swim, work out with weights, ride a bike , walk an hour a day etc etc...

i suppose if you just sit at your desk and go home to your couch you better really really be careful what you eat..in my case, i need a certain amount of carbs or i will lose muscle..

losing muscle is the BIGGEST diet mistake one can make. your muscles will keep the fat off the rest of your life...

[not2late]

Re: What excuse do you have......

its about being healthy...and part of being healthy is eating pleasure foods from time to time...ive read the atkins book, he knows and supports those times when you go out for your favorite meal...its about being sensible...its not healthy at all to say i will never eat a pizza or taco or whatever....

He writes that in the Maintenance Chapter. In the Weight Loss Phases particularly Induction Phase, he writes you don't eat anything that's not on the list, not even "one bite". Encouraging a person to "treat" themselves with pizza or some other non-legal food is sabotaging their weight loss efforts----we don't do that on a support board.

Also what you wrote here says it all:

in 10 years i have gained 15 pounds back and ive eaten pretty much the way i wanted

Eating "pretty much the way i wanted" caused you to pack on 15 pounds over 10 years. So eating your way didn't do you any favors inspite of your exercise regimen and your caution with food choices, did it?

It is true some of us have metabolisms that enable us to lose weight while eating pizza and fries. But those foods are added at the appropriate phase of the Diet.

I encourage you to re-read the book, because you give the impression of someone who thinks the entire Atkins Diet is the Induction Phase and that the other weight loss phases are to be done after goal weight is attained or may be skipped completely. You see, only someone who thinks Induction is the entire Atkins diet would lament in not being able to eat fruit, vegetables, whole grains, etc. during Atkins. So do yourself a favor and really read the book if not for yourself but for your fellow dieters on this board.

[spinky]

Re: What excuse do you have......

He writes that in the Maintenance Chapter. In the Weight Loss Phases particularly Induction Phase, he writes you don't eat anything that's not on the list, not even "one bite". Encouraging a person to "treat" themselves with pizza or some other non-legal food is sabotaging their weight loss efforts----we don't do that on a support board.

Also what you wrote here says it all:


Eating "pretty much the way i wanted" caused you to pack on 15 pounds over 10 years. So eating your way didn't do you any favors inspite of your exercise regimen and your caution with food choices, did it?

It is true some of us have metabolisms that enable us to lose weight while eating pizza and fries. But those foods are added at the appropriate phase of the Diet.

I encourage you to re-read the book, because you give the impression of someone who thinks the entire Atkins Diet is the Induction Phase and that the other weight loss phases are to be done after goal weight is attained or may be skipped completely. You see, only someone who thinks Induction is the entire Atkins diet would lament in not being able to eat fruit, vegetables, whole grains, etc. during Atkins. So do yourself a favor and really read the book if not for yourself but for your fellow dieters on this board.

i think you missed alot of what i said, or something else may be the problem...

the book i read was outdated..by 15-20 years..its atkins but not what you go by.

i am now incorporating more exercise, the food wasnt the biggest aspect.

15 pounds in actually 12.5 years is around a pound a year...thats not much weight gain at all....

ive also gained muscle..something you may have overlooked as muscle weighs alot more than fat.

food in most venues is getting more and more healthy, id be inclined to order a whole grain pizza which is readily available in the pizza shops that i know of...


atkins is not god nor does one follow someone off a cliff..he sets up some awesome guidelines to live by....i must say...

you contridict yourself when you said the 1st statement that atkins would never tell anyone its ok to treat yourself..

then you say:
It is true some of us have metabolisms that enable us to lose weight while eating pizza and fries. But those foods are added at the appropriate phase of the Diet.

So , i agree with you...pizza and fries and such are acceptable to a degree at the appropriate times.

The problem with alot of us i can imagine is that we didnt stop at one slice...or two...or three....

its not the one slice of pizza...its the slices..then the craving for more carbs (perhaps) and then the sense that maybe next week i can eat mexican food..etc etc..if your a weak person and not able to control yourself then i say never ever stray 1% from the book. read it like your bible. take it as the word of the universe.

if you have some control of yourself, and every once in a while (once a month or maybe just once a year i dunno) have a slice of pizza and a diet coke, sit on a park bench and let the sun hit your face and enjoy life.

[not2late]

Re: What excuse do you have......

15 pounds in actually 12.5 years is around a pound a year...thats not much weight gain at all....

Actually, it's is alot. As you get older, you shouldn't be gaining weight if you want to remain healthy. You should be maintaining it.

ive also gained muscle..something you may have overlooked as muscle weighs alot more than fat.

1 pound of anything is 1 pound. For example 1 pound of feathers weighs as much as 1 pound of gold.

food in most venues is getting more and more healthy, id be inclined to order a whole grain pizza which is readily available in the pizza shops that i know of...

Pizza is allowed during Induction----Dr. Atkins advised you may eat the toppings and toss the crust. He called the crust a disposable plate.

atkins is not god nor does one follow someone off a cliff..he sets up some awesome guidelines to live by....i must say...

Never said Atkins was a god, but he was a physician who had more than 30 years experience with his diet. I would have a tendency to trust in him more than someone who hasn't bothered to read his books.

you contridict yourself when you said the 1st statement that atkins would never tell anyone its ok to treat yourself..

No contradiction at all. If you've read the book (any of his books), you will know that the weight loss portion of his diet is different than the weight maintenance portion. So what you can eat and not eat during Maintenance Phase is different from what you may and may not eat during Induction and the other Weight Loss Phases.

then you say:
It is true some of us have metabolisms that enable us to lose weight while eating pizza and fries. But those foods are added at the appropriate phase of the Diet.

Again, read the book, and you will see that Atkins isn't all meat, eggs, cheese and little salad.

So , i agree with you...pizza and fries and such are acceptable to a degree at the appropriate times.

The problem with alot of us i can imagine is that we didnt stop at one slice...or two...or three....

That's why if we are truly being supportive we don't tell people how "sad" it is to never eat a piece of wedding cake.

As I said, read the book and try to understand the Atkins Diet. It would be to your benefit if you do that.

[kibskix]

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I've never craved pizza, and I hate cake (and wont be having it at my wedding anyway even if i weren't on Atkins), so I guess I have it easy.
French fries were always my weakness, specially from mcdonalds, but I stopped eating fast food years ago and I don't miss it. Being healthy is infinitely more important to me than 3 minutes of tasting comfort food. I don't miss it. what I MISS is being in better shape!

[SunnySmile501]

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i suppose if you just sit at your desk and go home to your couch you better really really be careful what you eat..in my case, i need a certain amount of carbs or i will lose muscle..

Why would you need carbs to preserve muscle? Do you think muscle is made up of carbohydrates? If you don't have enough fats, protein and calories on the whole, your body will catobolize your muscle to get it for energy, but not because you haven't had pizza or cake.

I sincerely hope you don't really believe all this poppycock you've been typing. You're just yanking our chain, right?

[spinky]

Re: Pizza and cake on Atkins

I've never craved pizza, and I hate cake (and wont be having it at my wedding anyway even if i weren't on Atkins), so I guess I have it easy.
French fries were always my weakness, specially from mcdonalds, but I stopped eating fast food years ago and I don't miss it. Being healthy is infinitely more important to me than 3 minutes of tasting comfort food. I don't miss it. what I MISS is being in better shape!

I have come to realize this:

There are two groups of people here, those that have a serious eating disorder and those who need a nudge in the right direction health wise.

obviously if someone has a serious enough disorder then they dont need to ever eat pizza or cake ever again, its like giving a drug addict a free pass to shoot up then expect him not to for most of his life...

however, there are those that just were simply caught up in a lifestyle that did not include enough exercise, good foods etc etc...

i fall in the second category...I can eat a slice of pizza surrounded by weeks of great food choices and not gain any weight or mess up...

those in the 1st category would find themselves eating the entire pizza....having mexican food the next day...and just falling off the wagon and gaining weight..

now i would like to also say that if i have a carby meal, i do extra exercise to adjust for it..and i love to exercise its a win win !!!!

[spinky]

Re: Pizza and cake on Atkins

Atkins sense 1999.

[neutronnorman]

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Why would you need carbs to preserve muscle? Do you think muscle is made up of carbohydrates? If you don't have enough fats, protein and calories on the whole, your body will catobolize your muscle to get it for energy, but not because you haven't had pizza or cake.

I sincerely hope you don't really believe all this poppycock you've been typing. You're just yanking our chain, right?

I see his point of view. If he's working out intensely, there's much evidence that carbohydrates are needed to maintain a high level of energy for muscle contraction. Also, insulin has a tendency of driving amino acids rapidly into glycogen depleted muscles. As the muscles re-fill with glycogen, amino acids are also driven into the tissues setting up an anabolic environment for muscles. That's why bodybuilders on Atkins type diets do follow cyclic ketogenic diets.

Another problem also arises. If a person is ectomorphic and has a hard time gaining muscular weight, a high fat low carb diet will stall his / hers muscular gains. What most people in the iron game do not realize is that the articles written in most muscle mag / books are geared to the proverbial 90 lb. weakling. Or the muscle head who is on a variety of exercise enhancing drugs.
Muscles are made of proteins but the glycogen stored, with the accompanying water, makes the muscles appear fuller and harder.

When I first came on to this forum, I was head strong about CKDs (cyclic ketogenic diets). After posting here for a couple of months, I'm not a proponent of CKD for the majority of people on this forum. The only time I'd ever recommend a CKD is if the person does workout intensely, and by intensely, I mean a person who can squat 1.5-2 times their body weight and at least bench press their body weight, and is relatively very lean, say 14-15% bodyfat on a male, 19-22% on a female.
Also, the person I just described, would be ideally an endomorphic mesomorph.

Another point, insulin spiking is very difficult to get right. After a couple of weeks following induction, the athlete can spike up their insulin for 12-48 hours and still remain in a fat burning mode. The problem here is that the athlete has to be very careful keeping track of his / hers body composition because they can easily over do it and end up gaining back a good percentage of the fat they lost during the prior 2 weeks.

When I was following a CKD, two weeks ago, I ate 1032 grams of carbohydrates in 1.5 days, Saturday and Sunday. Prior to that, my weekend carbs were at around 250-300 grams. I noticed that at 200-300 grams, by Wednesday I looked much bigger, harder and somewhat leaner, but my skin fold measurements revealed that I was at the same level of body fat. When I experimented with a higher high carb load 2 weeks ago, it set me back about 2 weeks. I gained 10 lb within 36 hours which have been somewhat difficult to get rid off even on my last 14 days of induction. The huge insulin spike drove all the glycogen and amino acids straight into my body fat reserves instead of the intended areas, namely liver and glycogen depleted muscles.

My point is that an insulin spike, taken with great care and maybe limiting the carbs to 130-150 grams for about 12-48 hours maximum, can possibly prove beneficial for certain strength / bodybuilding athletes, but chances are that the insulin spike will be done incorrectly and the athlete will, at best, end up the same week after week body composition-wise. In other words, if you want to screw around with carbs, better be 5-10% body fat-wise lower than the average individual. Not the obese, but the standard mean or what is called acceptable. For a man, in the USA, that's about 21-25% body fat.

For dieters on this forum my advise is to stick to Atkins to a "tee" and do not go experimenting with insulin spiking or eating your occasional 'cheat' food. It will put back on the fat. Also, most posters here are women, and from what I gather, I think most of them are insulin resistant, hence why they are always talking about their sweet cravings. I can't believe how many recipes are geared to making low carb versions of high carb foods. Many here probably have syndrome X or are type II diabetics. That innocent piece of wedding cake or tempting slice of pizza can wreck havoc on their metabolisms and psyches.

How many people return to this forum, after initially having success with DANDR? Why is that? Because the occasional cheat foods quickly returns to a WOE comprised of heavy carbo-fats. Why? because most of them are endomorphs with some form of insulin resistance. I bet if we grabbed a successful dieter here, say he / she dropped a significant amount of weight, they would be shocked to find out that there body fat levels, not their b*ll s**t BMIs which I believe is useless, would indicate they are still obese, or very close to being obese. Why? Because they are not mesomorphic in anyway to begin with.

Anyway, everybody out there, follow the Atkins WOE. It seems to be the most logical way to remain healthy and lean for the rest of your lives.

[SunnySmile501]

Re: Pizza and cake on Atkins

I see his point of view. If he's working out intensely, there's much evidence that carbohydrates are needed to maintain a high level of energy for muscle contraction. Also, insulin has a tendency of driving amino acids rapidly into glycogen depleted muscles. As the muscles re-fill with glycogen, amino acids are also driven into the tissues setting up an anabolic environment for muscles. That's why bodybuilders on Atkins type diets do follow cyclic ketogenic diets.

Another problem also arises. If a person is ectomorphic and has a hard time gaining muscular weight, a high fat low carb diet will stall his / hers muscular gains. What most people in the iron game do not realize is that the articles written in most muscle mag / books are geared to the proverbial 90 lb. weakling. Or the muscle head who is on a variety of exercise enhancing drugs.
Muscles are made of proteins but the glycogen stored, with the accompanying water, makes the muscles appear fuller and harder.

When I first came on to this forum, I was head strong about CKDs (cyclic ketogenic diets). After posting here for a couple of months, I'm not a proponent of CKD for the majority of people on this forum. The only time I'd ever recommend a CKD is if the person does workout intensely, and by intensely, I mean a person who can squat 1.5-2 times their body weight and at least bench press their body weight, and is relatively very lean, say 14-15% bodyfat on a male, 19-22% on a female.
Also, the person I just described, would be ideally an endomorphic mesomorph.

Another point, insulin spiking is very difficult to get right. After a couple of weeks following induction, the athlete can spike up their insulin for 12-48 hours and still remain in a fat burning mode. The problem here is that the athlete has to be very careful keeping track of his / hers body composition because they can easily over do it and end up gaining back a good percentage of the fat they lost during the prior 2 weeks.

When I was following a CKD, two weeks ago, I ate 1032 grams of carbohydrates in 1.5 days, Saturday and Sunday. Prior to that, my weekend carbs were at around 250-300 grams. I noticed that at 200-300 grams, by Wednesday I looked much bigger, harder and somewhat leaner, but my skin fold measurements revealed that I was at the same level of body fat. When I experimented with a higher high carb load 2 weeks ago, it set me back about 2 weeks. I gained 10 lb within 36 hours which have been somewhat difficult to get rid off even on my last 14 days of induction. The huge insulin spike drove all the glycogen and amino acids straight into my body fat reserves instead of the intended areas, namely liver and glycogen depleted muscles.

My point is that an insulin spike, taken with great care and maybe limiting the carbs to 130-150 grams for about 12-48 hours maximum, can possibly prove beneficial for certain strength / bodybuilding athletes, but chances are that the insulin spike will be done incorrectly and the athlete will, at best, end up the same week after week body composition-wise. In other words, if you want to screw around with carbs, better be 5-10% body fat-wise lower than the average individual. Not the obese, but the standard mean or what is called acceptable. For a man, in the USA, that's about 21-25% body fat.

For dieters on this forum my advise is to stick to Atkins to a "tee" and do not go experimenting with insulin spiking or eating your occasional 'cheat' food. It will put back on the fat. Also, most posters here are women, and from what I gather, I think most of them are insulin resistant, hence why they are always talking about their sweet cravings. I can't believe how many recipes are geared to making low carb versions of high carb foods. Many here probably have syndrome X or are type II diabetics. That innocent piece of wedding cake or tempting slice of pizza can wreck havoc on their metabolisms and psyches.

How many people return to this forum, after initially having success with DANDR? Why is that? Because the occasional cheat foods quickly returns to a WOE comprised of heavy carbo-fats. Why? because most of them are endomorphs with some form of insulin resistance. I bet if we grabbed a successful dieter here, say he / she dropped a significant amount of weight, they would be shocked to find out that there body fat levels, not their b*ll s**t BMIs which I believe is useless, would indicate they are still obese, or very close to being obese. Why? Because they are not mesomorphic in anyway to begin with.

Anyway, everybody out there, follow the Atkins WOE. It seems to be the most logical way to remain healthy and lean for the rest of your lives.

This is another old thread where the guy was just yanking our chain. Notice his/her "not active" status.