Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

[Diver Down]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

I'll definitely keep my ears open for any advice this forum has to offer, especially from you, Georgiana. You seem very knowledgeable about the latest Atkins gospel and I'm admittedly not up to speed on all the revisional changes. I'm a little sad to think I won't ever learn why this induction has been working so well for me, but maybe I'll just chalk it up to starting at a heavier weight this time around. I only have another week of induction so I'll need to shift my focus to the upcoming stages, with as much knowledge gained from here as possible.

[Georgiana]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

To accuse that person of not doing Atkins because you eat differently is crap.

The reason why he is not doing Atkins is that he is not eating vegetables, but living on meat and cheese. Vegetables are a non-negotiable part of the Atkins plan and over half of our carbs should come from vegetables, not from low-carb ice cream or Atkins bars.

What's wrong with Diver Down eating low-carb Atkins bars? Nothing!

The problem is with the bars. Read the list of ingredients on the Atkins bars. Then read rule #5 in DANDR (page 123). You will understand why bars are not "legal" during Induction.

I own DANDR 2002, and Dr. Atkins says right in there that "Of course, you can enjoy Atkins products right away" or something to that effect.

Not really. He didn't say "enjoy Atkins products right away". He said:

1. Not all convenience food products are the same, so check labels and carbohydrate content. You are not supposed to check the label just for the fun of pronouncing complicated words, but to see whether the ingredients are "legal" or not.
I can vouch for any product carrying the Atkins brand name! True, but this statement concerns the formula used for the Atkins bars at the time when the book was written. As Elizellen can tell you, since she has been doing this for longer than I, the ingredients that are used nowadays in the Atkins products are different from the ones that were used in Dr. Atkins' days. This does not only apply to bars, but also to other things like the Atkins Bake Mix.

2. While any of these foods can make doing Atkins easier, don't overdo it. Diver Down said he had 1-2 bars when he had emergencies. Since he had so many emergencies in a matter of days, I recommend him better, more natural food alternatives.

Remember, you must always follow the Rules of Induction. The Rules of Induction include rule #5.

You people criticising are truly ignorant.

I'd say the opposite. For example, we know that the Atkins bars found in the market today are not the same as those that were found years ago. We also know that the Atkins bars sold these days contain "illegal" ingredients like soy and/or nuts. I'm sorry if you feel that warning people about these issues makes us ignorant.

[fatboy slim]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

Sorry, I did more research, and deleted my post. (Evidently it took me less time to do that than for you to type the reply!)

See this post.

But there's still no reason to be mean to Diver Down for not knowing better.

[not2late]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

There's not many ways to interpret "follow this menu for the first week and then repeat"

Since he's not using the 2002 ed, he never had to interpret that particular sentence, did he?

but in the 1972 book, immediately before the list of foods it says:

"THE FIRST LIFE-CHANGING WEEK. Eat nothing that's not on the list."

So that message didn't change from 1972 through 2002. In fact, it's remained almost word-for-word consistent.

Perhaps that should be noted somewhere on the forums when a person signs up, if that is in fact the nature of this bulletin board. In my opinion, not everything that happens over time can be considered progress. Since there have been many revisions of the Atkins formula over the years, more than ever I believe it's vital we don't take anything on faith. I seek to identify what scientific claims are based on fact versus subjective research of particular focus groups. But I digress...

The fact that ADBB follows the 2002 edition of the book is noted in the forum descriptions.

There's only been 2 revisions of the Diet in those 30 years: 1992 and 2002.

Dr. Atkins was soundly criticized that he didn't include any scientific citations in the 1972 book. So he included those references in the 2002 edition. So if you want to learn about the rationale behind the changes there are references in the 2002ed.

[not2late]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

I'll definitely keep my ears open for any advice this forum has to offer, especially from you, Georgiana. You seem very knowledgeable about the latest Atkins gospel and I'm admittedly not up to speed on all the revisional changes. I'm a little sad to think I won't ever learn why this induction has been working so well for me, but maybe I'll just chalk it up to starting at a heavier weight this time around. I only have another week of induction so I'll need to shift my focus to the upcoming stages, with as much knowledge gained from here as possible.

Perhaps it would be to your benefit to read Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution 2002 edition, rather than rely on the information on ADBB. Since you've expressed a desire to know the scientific claims behind the changes in the Diet, it would satisfy your curiousity more.

[Diver Down]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

Speaking of '92, I recall now where I got the idea to hold off on the veggies until I was at least out of induction. Dr. Atkins himself once advised his patients with a high metabolic resistance to go on meat and eggs only. No salad, no veggies, no other carbs but the carbs in eggs. This recommendation came as a result from testing he did to construct a sure-fire weight loss method even for people with a metabolic resistance who would struggle to lose weight even on a very restrictive Atkins diet.

Not knowing my body too well, but suspecting I was metabolically resistant, I decided to take his advice and use it during my inductions (which have always been very successful). He even went so far as to suggest that kind of diet for life, if need be, so I wasn't concerned about the health aspects. I just wanted to mention this backstory to explain why I'd started with meat and eggs only. I'm adding in veggies as we speak, so not to worry; I'll tackle the rest of my phases using the latest revision.

[Georgiana]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

Not knowing my body too well, but suspecting I was metabolically resistant, I decided to take his advice and use it during my inductions (which have always been very successful).

Oh, I see... I would have expected someone who had lost "30 pounds in six weeks" his first time and "20 pounds in 20 days" his second time to realize he is not metabolically resistant. Because if you read the whole book, you would know how Dr. Atkins defined metabolic resistance. Anyway, I hope you now know that you are not metabolically resistant.

Dr. Atkins himself once advised his patients with a high metabolic resistance to go on meat and eggs only. No salad, no veggies, no other carbs but the carbs in eggs.

I just wanted to mention this backstory to explain why I'd started with meat and eggs only.

In your previous posts you wrote:

I'm eating steadily, plenty of meats and cheeses

my diet is comprised of various meats and cheeses, as I wrote above

Not to mention having some carb bars and low carb ice cream treats along the way.

I did have a net 5 carb ice cream snack the other night.

So unless you are German and the "cheese" you ate was fleischkäse, your menus did not consist of "meat and eggs only".

[Diver Down]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

I would have expected someone who had lost "30 pounds in six weeks" his first time and "20 pounds in 20 days" his second time to realize he is not metabolically resistant.

Each time I followed the same induction and extended it, that is, by eating meat and eggs only, with the occasional cheese as I do now. You might not be please to know I lost all that weight previously following the same basic induction as I am now. Who's to say if I was metabolically resistant or simply following the Dr. Atkins-inspired method to lose weight even I had been? By adopting his method that works even for the metabolically resistant, I was -and still am- covering my bets either way.

unless you are German and the "cheese" you ate was fleischkäse, your menus did not consist of "meat and eggs only"

I mentioned cheese because I have had some, along with the other items not under the meat and eggs category, but it's a very insignificant amount. The amount of my induction diet(s) which has been meat and eggs only is somewhere in the high percentile of the 90s. I hate the taste of cheese, but as with the other items, I included it because it's been "there" (albeit in very small quantities by comparison to the amount of meat and eggs). Hardly enough to make a difference.

[chauber]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

So with all this finger pointing I thought I might offer some constructive information. Your main question is Why are you losing weight so fast?

I can understand why you would be worried about this as losing that fast is probably taking a big toll on your body. My suggestion is to start adding the vegetables in to your diet. This will surely slow your weight loss to a healthier level. Science has proven that if you lose weight too rapidly you are more likely to gain it all back plus extra.

I can understand some of what others are saying about trying to follow DANDR 2002 as close as possible. The main reason for doing so is to lay the correct foundation for a good steady healthy weight loss and provide you with the tools (knowledge) to change bad habits which in turn helps you maintain that loss.

This is a process that isn't going to happen over night. Lets face it, there are alot of people on this board that jump into Atkins without ever reading the book which can also be seen as not doing Atkins appropriately. Many of us wean ourselves off of caffiene (being that the book says 'should avoid' rather than 'must avoid'). Rather than bashing someone for what they are doing wrong I'd rather support them and try to help them through one of the toughest times of their life.

So, if you have any other specific questions I am sure that their are many of us that would like to try to help. It sounds like you have an understanding of what you should be doing but need to work up the will power to do it. As hard as it may be to do so, the best step is to read the book. I keep mine at home and when I hit a wall I go back through it. EVERYTIME I find something I am doing WRONG or not doing exactly RIGHT. Nobody's perfect.

[Sherri]

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What, red cover...((goes & grabs white with red & blue title book to check)) OK wait aminute... that is the "induction menu" for use in jumpstarting weight loss after long past your first induction right?? Or ...someone forgot to revise that page...

Yep, same info Susan.

[Sherri]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

"You don't know unless you ask".
I hope you continue to ask questions DD. That's how we learn. For one thing, it brings out the passion that folks have about doing Atkins accurately and effectively. It certainly show just how passionate in this thread.
Wishing you the best of health and lite.
Enjoy your veggies!

[Sherri]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

I really hope that this thread helped DD with his jourey. That would make me happy.
What saddens me is that this thread ran off an excellent and very successful Atkineer and one I regard as a friend, Chicklady. Her presence is missed here on the board. The CC misses her and she gave up as one of our Spot light hostesses, never to post on the board again. She's merely an observer here now. I miss her input. Very sad indeed!
Sherri

[jsj0305]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

What a shame

[liv]

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I know Sherri. I miss her to. Her common sense attitude is very refreshing. Whatever was said or not said in this thread was not worth that.

[IrishIrish]

Re: Can you help explain my rapid weight loss?

It wasn't unusual for me to lose 20 or 25 pounds during initial Induction, but then I started at nearly 500 pounds. It is all relative.