Debating Atkins

**liv** · August 18, 2009, 07:49 PM

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Then don't spend hours reading it. Go for a walk, eat your meat and vegetables and lose weight. What more do you need?
That is what I did

**ziggy** · August 18, 2009, 08:19 PM

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for over 99% of humans entire existence we have ate very low carb

meats , leafy greens , non starchy vegetables , and maybe 1-2 months out of a year some fruit the only semi carby thing

we never ate refined grains or all that crap that we eat now a days which spikes your blood sugar into toxic levels forceing your body into a glucose burning metabolism and any glucose thats unable to be burned as energy must be stored as fat before it reaches your kidneys

anyways there will always be doctors and such who refuse to admit they have been wrong there whole life with all this low fat high carb crap

how would you feel if you were a doctor and for 10 years you told people to eat low fat high carb and it turns out you helped send them all to there deaths?

anyways the atkins diet works its very healthy and people now a days dont eat animal bones for calcium so we eat broccoli instead to get are calcium

the atkins diet cured all my horrible illnesses like IBS and other stomach illnesses and also with Atkins+Gym i have lost 150 pounds of fat and gained 50 pounds of muscle

the atkins diet has basically saved my life

**JulieB** · August 18, 2009, 08:19 PM

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Look at the success people on this board alone have had - getting off diabetes drugs, losing weight, lowering their cholesterol, etc. It may not be scientific, but it is truth.

I read DANDR, and I can say for a fact that Dr. Atkins NEVER recommended 'gorging' on anything, not eggs, bacon, butter, cream or anything else. That alone should set off bells when you read that article.

**mitzimarie** · August 18, 2009, 08:32 PM

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My doctor is 100% pro-Atkins, and encourages this way of eating. I had my annual physical today, and the first thing he asked me is whether or not I'm still on plan.

I have an uncle who drove himself to the emergency room on the way to work one morning because of chest pains. He ended up needing a quintuple bypass surgery. The doc advised an Atkins type diet.

I take every study I read with a grain of salt... meaning, I don't 100% believe any of them. It all depends upon who's funding the study, or what bias is being supported. And when you start investigating, you can find just as many studies supporting low carb, as you can supporting low fat. I find it especially frustrating when the articles I read aren't even getting their facts straight on how Atkins is done correctly... they buy into the streotype that we eat only meat and never add back other carbs.

I haven't read the link you provided yet. I'll probably give it a glance, but my bet is that it's not going to change my mind or give me doubts... it's probably just going to make me mad.

**phil h** · August 18, 2009, 08:35 PM

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Do a low fat diet for an extended periord of time.You'll lose quite a bit of weight.Keep track how much you think about how much longer it is to your next meal.Maybe you are different than me, but I don't enjoy being hungry.

**keriann_forgoodthistime** · August 18, 2009, 08:36 PM

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i have been a yo-yo dieter for half of my life. I could NEVER find a "diet" that I could stick to that I deemed healthy. when I was on low-fat, I was losing weight, yes - but I was also hungry ALL the freakin' time.

After I changed to atkins I'm:
a. never hungry (and feel like I eat a LOT - and man - i love food! lol)
b. my cholesterol, triglycerides, and other levels are finally NORMAL.
c. I've lost 30 pounds and am still losing - this after two years of low-fat dieting which left me DEPRESSED because no matter how hard I tried I couldn't lose an ounce.
d. i'm finally HAPPY with my diet.
e. I can proudly say I eat NO junk food of ANY kind - NO processed foods - I only eat WHOLE foods and have opened my diet up to a whole brand new list of awesome REAL foods - and not chemically altered junk.

overall atkins has absolutely saved/changed my life. it's incredible.

**keriann_forgoodthistime** · August 18, 2009, 08:37 PM

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and - if you like reading - read Gary Taubes "Good Calories, Bad Calories"

that will change your mind.

**neutronnorman** · August 18, 2009, 08:38 PM

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Low-Carb Pavilion -- Studies Supporting a Low-Carb Diet - Research Study Summaries

The Good, the bad and the ugly...the following are from Wikipedia...

**mitzimarie** · August 18, 2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by mitzimarie View Post

I haven't read the link you provided yet. I'll probably give it a glance, but my bet is that it's not going to change my mind or give me doubts... it's probably just going to make me mad.

Just glanced at it. And I was right, it's pissed me off.

I knew it was trouble in the first paragraph:

"When Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution was first published, the President of the American College of Nutrition said, "Of all the bizarre diets that have been proposed in the last 50 years, this is the most dangerous to the public if followed for any length of time."[1]"

The book he is referring to, sounds like the 1972 edition. This board follows the 2002 version of Dr. Atkins NEW Diet Revolution. There is a difference.

I would venture to say, however, that even following the '72 version is healthier than eating refined carbs.

**neutronnorman** · August 18, 2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by phil h View Post

Do a low fat diet for an extended periord of time.You'll lose quite a bit of weight.Keep track how much you think about how much longer it is to your next meal.Maybe you are different than me, but I don't enjoy being hungry.

You'll lose quite a bit of weight on a low fat diet. Yup, 60% fat loss and 40% muscle loss. On a high fat diet maybe 95% fat, 5% muscle if you are an experienced bodybuilder. If not, you lose fat and gain muscle in the beginning.

**BigSouthernBoy** · August 18, 2009, 08:48 PM

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I think the reason most see Atkins as unhealthy, regardless of what the truly know about the diet, is because of the amount of butter, bacon, and fatty meat in general. Whether or not they are right in assuming that Dr. Atkins allowed his patients to eat a pound of bacon a day is a matter of not fully researching the diet.

I'm just wondering, though. Is this why lots of people see Atkins as a heart attack waiting to happen? Because they think all you eat is bacon on top of a fatty rib-eye fried in butter?

**liv** · August 18, 2009, 08:55 PM

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Dr Greger or whatever that guys name is that put up that page is a vegetarian.
that beginning is interesting. People are on the record dismissing something they don't quite understand what exactly is or how it works.
Yes I agree with what you guys have said. There is plenty of research support for low carb out there. Not included in his review of course

**liv** · August 18, 2009, 09:05 PM

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I had rib eye today with cream.
there has been plenty of evidence linking triglycerides with heart disease. On Atkins we have very low triglycerides because we eat low carb -
Bacon is good for you

Look at this
Triglyceride Heart Study

**mitzimarie** · August 18, 2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by BigSouthernBoy View Post

I'm just wondering, though. Is this why lots of people see Atkins as a heart attack waiting to happen? Because they think all you eat is bacon on top of a fatty rib-eye fried in butter?

Absolutely! I have a customer who has recently graduated from Louisiana State University in Nutrition. She hadn't seen me in a while, and marveled at how much weight I had lost. When she asked me how I did it, I said I followed Atkins. Her face just fell. She then launched into the dangers of Atkins. I then told her what I had eaten that day. After I told her, she told me I wasn't doing Atkins correctly, because I was having a veggie at every meal, and shouldn't be eating carbs.

How do you argue with such ingnorance?

I rarely mention the "A" word anymore when someone asks how I lost weight... I just tell them I eat only unprocessed foods, and that seems to satisfy them.

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