Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

[eissakha]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

Georgiana, I appreciate your advice as I do every one else's on this board. What you need to realize is that this is a diet/life style change but just because the "Book" says something is not recommended, it doesn't mean that people should never have the right from time to time to go against it. I just would like to have a drink from time to time, I am not talking about being an alcoholic as you are trying to make me be.

Once again, appreciate your advice on this site but maybe you need to cut people a little bit of slack, maybe not everybody can be as "Perfect" as you.

Thanks.

Edwin

[Ohbehave007]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

What Georgiana is pointing at is that on this board we follow the DANDR 2002 book down to the letter. If it says no alcohol until rung 5 we will wait until rung 5.

That being said it was so worth the wait for me. I now know I am a cheap drunk.

[mitzimarie]

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What you need to realize is that this is a diet/life style change but just because the "Book" says something is not recommended, it doesn't mean that people should never have the right from time to time to go against it.

Edwin, what you need to realize is that this is a 2002 DANDR SUPPORT BOARD... not a general low carb board. Georgiana is doing exactly what she is supposed to be doing - answering questions in a such a way as to bring attention to the correct way to follow the plan.

Of course, not everyone chooses to follow the plan as outlined by Dr. Atkins - that is, indeed, an individual choice. However, it is our responsibility to answer the questions correctly.

I just would like to have a drink from time to time, I am not talking about being an alcoholic as you are trying to make me be.

She did not try to make you an alcoholic... I think it is a reasonable statement to say that a person who can't go without a drink for 2 weeks may want to examine their relationship with alcohol.

Now - the original question has been answered. Going back and forth with opinions on whether Dr. Atkins plan is correct or not is pointless on an Atkins support board. You have the correct information... what each person does with the information is their own business. We, as Moderators, just need to make sure that it is clear to anyone coming to this thread what the correct information is.

[not2late]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

Georgiana, I appreciate your advice as I do every one else's on this board. What you need to realize is that this is a diet/life style change but just because the "Book" says something is not recommended, it doesn't mean that people should never have the right from time to time to go against it. I just would like to have a drink from time to time, I am not talking about being an alcoholic as you are trying to make me be.

Once again, appreciate your advice on this site but maybe you need to cut people a little bit of slack, maybe not everybody can be as "Perfect" as you.

Thanks.

Edwin

One of the greatest misconceptions about the Atkins Diet is that the Induction phase is the only phase of the Diet and/or the only phase in which you will lose weight.

So people stay on Induction...and "cheat" from time to time with fruit, bread, pasta, alcohol, etc. etc. etc. without ever fully realizing that these foods are legal during the On-Going Weight Loss Phase and Pre-Maintenance Phases---the other two weight loss phases of Atkins.

In reality, they only cheat themselves with these "cheats" because

1. They go through their weight loss reinforcing the bad habit of yo-yoing: go on Atkins, go off Atkins, back on Atkins to lose the weight gained during the "off" time, go off Atkins, etc.

2. They deny themselves the chance to really learn how their bodies react to foods.

3. They deny themselves of foods.

4. They rarely get to goal weight and maintain it.

5. They reinforce the culture of failure by always having excuses to fail, whether it's the old "I was forced to eat it" excuse or the old "I'm not perfect like you are" excuse. Excuses are excuses. Their use only signifies the reluctance and self-defeating pessimism of the user, which a touch of passive-agressive behavior.

This is the Atkins Diet Bulletin Board. Therefore, do not expect the mods and old-timers to give advice that is contrary to the Atkins Diet. What an individual poster does with that advice is totally up to that person. But don't expect us to aid and abet self-sabotage and failure.

[eissakha]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

I understand what you moderators are here to do and it is truly appreciated, you are giving your time and providing solid advise. All I am saying is don't say why are people still continuing on this thread when the answer has been given. People were just expressing their opinions. Don't be so rightous. After all, if you are so PERFECT, you wouldn't be here with the rest of us imperfect people.

Thanks.

Edwin

[neutronnorman]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

If someone cannot stay away from the bottle for two weeks, then that person either needs to reevaluate their commitment to Atkins or their drinking problem.

If someone gets angry about a comment like the one posted by a moderator, the person should seriously take some time out and evaluate why the thought of going without alcohol upsets him or her.

Just sit back and think about this for a few minutes.

[not2late]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

I understand what you moderators are here to do and it is truly appreciated, you are giving your time and providing solid advise. All I am saying is don't say why are people still continuing on this thread when the answer has been given. People were just expressing their opinions. Don't be so rightous. After all, if you are so PERFECT, you wouldn't be here with the rest of us imperfect people.

Thanks.

Edwin

If we believed everyone was a loser or imperfect, then we would be writing posts like this "Go ahead and have your drinks. Dr. Atkins didn't know everything. heck, plenty of people drink all day long on Atkins and they still lose weight. So have your drink and enjoy it. It won't affect your weight loss at all. In fact, here's a list of the stuff I like to tipple..." And we would post those kinds of things because we know you're such a loser and so imperfect that there's no point in giving you proper advice because you're just going to screw up anyway.

None of us think anyone here is "imperfect". We don't look at any of you as losers. That's why we don't give you bad advice: we want you to win because you deserve to win--whether you believe that in your heart or not.

[mitzimarie]

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Don't be so rightous. After all, if you are so PERFECT, you wouldn't be here with the rest of us imperfect people.

NO WHERE have I seen anyone here profess to be perfect. Have I had slip-ups? Yes. And I made goal. Do I go around professing that just because I had slip-ups and ended up making goal, that the rules are negotiable? NO. And I don't come here bragging about the fact that I slipped up and still made goal... I don't like slip-ups, and work very hard to avoid them.

If you do not like hearing the rules of the plan, just skip those posts. But there are a great deal of people who come to this board for support and information on the correct way to do Atkins. If you happen to be able to break the rules and still lose, good for you. However, it is irresponsible to assume that everyone who bends the rules will come out unscathed.

As we said earlier - we present the facts. What you do with it is your business.

[eissakha]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

OK, this is my last comment about this. I don't have a problem with the fact that I shouldn't be drinking alcohol at this phase and wait til OWL 5 or whatever.

My only issue was with Georgiana's response as I thought she was very rightous. That's all. Relax people.

[BigSouthernBoy]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

Everyone gather. It's time for a big, group hug. Norman, don't touch me.

[mizski]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

Everyone gather. It's time for a big, group hug. Norman, don't touch me.

Cute BSB!

The booze "debate" goes on everywhere regardless of diet plan.

Some good things about following a program to the letter is that you will reap the maximum benefits but more important, it is a wonderful feeling to look back and know that you are no longer a slave to any food or drink.

Something to think about.

[Rayley]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

everybody is so uptight on this board.

[eissakha]

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Cant we all just get along... You all are driving me to drinking... My diet Rite that is...

We are all here for the same purpose so stop the rightousness. BTW: Just because someone might want to sip some alcohol from time to time, it doesn't make him have a problem, have a bad habit, or be an alcoholic. I probably drink alcohol 5 or 6 times a year, for real, it was just a question, didnt need the lecture or the rightousness.

Anyways, lets move on. Today was day 8 for me, so far I am down about 8 pounds, I am feeling good. For breakfast I make me some bacon and eggs, then when I get to work I get me coffee with splenda no cream, lunch is a salad with meet and cheese, drink lots of hot and cold water, dinner is some meat barbequed and then more water and then I go to bed. Oh, I almost forgot a bottle of Jack Daniels too (just kidding). Oh also one diet Rite mostly with lunch.

How's it going for you? Please Share.

Thanks.

Edwin

[neutronnorman]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

I ate about 12 fried chicken wings, on the hot side they were, and two 3.5 oz. NY strip steaks last night. Also I had two servings of Summer Sausage and collard greens, the Glory brand, with smoked ham hock in them. I dropped another 3 lb overnight. I was trying to slow the weight loss. I'm jumping up to OWL rung 2.

[neutronnorman]

Re: Can we talk about al..al..alcohol???

Everyone gather. It's time for a big, group hug. Norman, don't touch me.

What did I do? It's not my fault but Georgiana's! She started this mess with her comment!