Fatty foods cause insulin resistance

[Georgiana]

There's an "if" following (a big IF!), but I've read the same news on a few different websites today and they all say the same thing: fat causes insulin resistance.

The whole thing was started by a Mickey Mouse study published in The Journal of Clinical Investigation. This is how one of the authors' summary of the results appears in the media:

“What we’ve shown in this study is that someone’s entire brain chemistry can change in a very short period of time. Our findings suggest that when you eat something high in fat, your brain gets ‘hit’ with the fatty acids, and you become resistant to insulin and leptin,” which are chemicals that tell the body to stop eating, Clegg said. “Since you’re not being told by the brain to stop eating, you overeat.”

Source: Tasty Foods Send Signal to Brain to Keep Eating - Health News - Health.com

If you read the study, the story is a little different. The low fat diet consisted of 15% protein, 76% carbohydrate, 9% fat; the high saturated fat (HFS) diet with palmitic acid consisted of 15% protein, 46% carbohydrate and 39% fat; the oleic acid diet had the same macronutrient ratios as the HFS diet.

I couldn't care less about this study. But given the deformed way it is presented in the media, what people will take home is that they need to eat less fat and more carbs.

[DarlingBri]

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Really? Because *my* high fat diet means that by Day 4, I could not finish my dinner. That never happens. My mother will tell you, "she's always been a good eater."

[msanjelpie]

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"The study didn’t look at humans, however. The researchers examined rodents, in which the effect seemed to last three days after consumption of fatty food."

Original Article

Hand over the cheese please...

[not2late]

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If you read the study, the story is a little different. The low fat diet consisted of 15% protein, 76% carbohydrate, 9% fat; the high saturated fat (HFS) diet with palmitic acid consisted of 15% protein, 46% carbohydrate and 39% fat; the oleic acid diet had the same macronutrient ratios as the HFS diet.

Wow. I didn't know that "high fat" is defined as 39%. Simply amazing. I can just imagine when I was a kid and I came home with a grade of 39% and had to explain to daddy that 39% is a "high" grade........

[Aways2Go]

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They can keep studying all they want. I know that since switching to a whole-foods based diet for a couple of years and then on to Atkins a few months ago and over all that time, shedding myself of any fears of reasonable amounts of butter, olive oil, fat on meat, etc., and no longer buying pre-packaged "lowfat" items, I no longer have nearly uncontrollable hunger swings like I used to.

I also find just in the last few weeks that I often consume no more than about 1600 calories or so a day now, not because I am trying to count calories (although fitday does it for me), but because I am no more hungry than that. And I have lost 25 pounds in about two months. And my daily calorie intake is probably 60% fat calories and sometimes more.

So they can study and report anything they want. I'm paying no attention to it, because I have seen for myself what works for me. I do feel sorry for the people who take those findings seriously and strive ever harder for a lower fat, higher carb diet which is likely adding to their bulging waistlines.

[Georgiana]

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Wow. I didn't know that "high fat" is defined as 39%. Simply amazing. I can just imagine when I was a kid and I came home with a grade of 39% and had to explain to daddy that 39% is a "high" grade........

Psst! Megs, there are some high school students roaming around the Board.


Re: research done on mice/rats

I don't think a study should be dismissed simply because it's done on mice/rats unless one can explain why the mechanism that produces whatever is observed does not apply to humans. I, for one, am far from being able to say when (and why) the results of a study hold for humans and when they are limited to rodents.

I was wandering in the library last week and noticed we have two books about mice and rats used in medical research. One of them has a few chapters on the limitations of such experiments. If I'll ever be terribly bored, I know what to do.

[RitaCeleste]

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I don't find that my body works that way. I did try the fat fast years ago for a few days. It was the most engery and lowest hunger I have ever had. Ofcourse by the end I never wanted to see cream cheese again. Yuck! But still, I've upped my fat ratio to what is recommended and had nothing but good results. I don't eat alot of calories because I keep eating to get the fat. I'm eating less. But my protein is high too. However if I was eating 46% carbs, that would be different. Ofcourse I'd be hungery and overeat anything and everything. I'd be a fat storeing machine! And at only 15% protein, I'd never feel full. I know that would be the diet of doom for me. Its a really bad diet for anyone including the poor rodents. You can call it a high fat. But is not THE high fat diet, lol. But people are free to believe whatever they want to. They'll find a way to try and call themselves right. Oh, for years I was convinced the Atkins diet would make my kidneys explode. But nothing else was working so I gave it a shot. I've played with it, I've cheated on it, at times I've mangled it and botched it. I'm stubborn, I have to learn the hard way. But the one thing I can say is it works if you do it right. And when you don't do it right, its not good and its not the diet's fault! Atkins will work for people other diets don't work for. These are the people who need it. If my carb junky self could eat junk and loose weight, believe me I'd be doing it! I just had to run out of options first. Sometimes I see people who only have a little to loose and wonder if the other ways would work for them. But to the person who has a lot to loose and has tried everything else already, Atkins should be the last diet they ever need to go on.

[Helena-in-England]

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I am going to ask a BIG question!

Can someone PLEASE tell me WHY they are still doing these kinds of experiments on RATS when there are MILLIONS of low carb dieters who are HUMAN living proof that more fat equals less appetite?

Why don't they come to this board and other ones and SEE the HUNDREDS of people who have lost 50lb, 100lb, even 200lb on high fat?

There was a time when I could not stop eating. I was in the kitchen 50 times a day, looking for "something" to satisfy me. Whatever I had, say a piece of toast, led to another, and another till I had eaten 20 pieces and still I was not satisfied so then it was chocolate and cake and pastries and jiuce and Coke and ice cream and pasta and on and on and on up to 365 pounds!

I had counselling, hypnotherapy, psychoanalysis, I phoned Overeaters Anonymous. I was totally out of control. I contemplated gastric banding, jaw wiring, and suicide.

After 4 weeks on an 80% fat diet, yesterday I went 21 hours without food, and that time included a 90-minute workout in the pool. I simply was not hungry!

In the end I had to force myself to eat simply because I was horrified that the clock said it was 21 hours since that 8oz sirloin steak and mushrooms at 8pm.

Eating fat is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I feel driven to shout this from the rooftops in order to HELP others trapped in Carb Prison. I wanna rescue them!

[chauber]

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Wow. I didn't know that "high fat" is defined as 39%. Simply amazing. I can just imagine when I was a kid and I came home with a grade of 39% and had to explain to daddy that 39% is a "high" grade........

Cute! I like that way of lookin at it.

[not2late]

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Oh yeah, Chaubers....

My Daddy: So, how did you do on that book report?

Me (excited): I got a 39%!!!!!!

My Daddy (confused): Don't you mean 93%, honey?

Me (confused): No, Daddy. I got a 39!

My Daddy (less confused): Oh, it was out of 40 points.

Me (happy): No, it was out of 100 points! And I got 39 of those points!

My Daddy: Sweetheart, 39 out of 100 isn't a good grade.

Me (confused): Yes it is Daddy. 39% is a high grade.

My Daddy: Honey, what did you get on that math test....the one with percentages?

Me (proudly): Oh I got the highest grade possible! I got a 0%.

[brandywine1241]

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Can someone PLEASE tell me WHY they are still doing these kinds of experiments on RATS when there are MILLIONS of low carb dieters who are HUMAN living proof that more fat equals less appetite?

My guess is that the human studies are not yielding the results the low fat poobahs of the nutrition research establishment want to see. There must be some long term studies coming to an end that show clearly that low carb diets are not dangerous to the heart, kidneys, or any other body parts over time that the establishment predicted.

So, since the low fat folks still own the power, newbies and second tier researchers curry favor and research money by using rats and mice to get the "correct" outcomes.

[Helena-in-England]

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I also am getting increasingly suspicious that every "massive weight loss" story in the British newspapers involves someone who used to eat a bad, high fat diet and whose "sensible" new diet involves porridge and toast for breakfast, baked potato for lunch and a plate of white pasta with a low fat sauce for dinner.

Because in the UK we use stones not pounds, I found a LOT of these kinds of stories by Googling "lost ten stones" and "lost eight stones" (try it).

Yesterday I was actually considering phoning one of these national papers and saying are you interested in a story of a woman who lost twelve stone by eating a high fat diet? I wonder if they have a news blackout on such stories? Or is it genuinely the case that every massive weight loss in the UK has been achieved on high carb?

[ziggy]

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drug companies curropt

doctor schools teach wrong info

to many doctors are just in it for the money and foolish high class pride of being a doctor rather than actually helping people

doctors refuse to admit they have been wrong there whole life with this low fat crap

people who eat the high fat diets dont get the illnesses that drug copanies make money off of

drug companies dont support the truth only themselfs

media is bias against red meat

people have been brainwashed to think that eating high fat is bad

anything that takes money away from drug companies like atkins will be targeted and tried to be made to look bad

to many people blindly believe in doctors

drug companies dont search for cures but rather costly treatments and only if they can be patented


im sure in the past it wasnt like this at all atleast when it came to healthy eating people saw people become healthy and strong when eating meat and fat and it was such common sense back then that no one even bothered to talk or wright much about it everyone was expected to know it


i really dont know where it started but some evil people started saying eating fat was bad and there lies spread and have killed many people

[Helena-in-England]

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I agree 100% with what you say.

As for your final comment, you can find out the history by reading Gary Taubes's recent book (Amazon)