What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

[Reborn_Warrior]

On Atkins.com it lists that eating between 12-15 net carbs of veggies on the list is fine.

I know that the 2002 DANDR does not list that, but it was written awhile ago. Even Dr. Atkins updated his prevoius book. I know that Atkins.com has added items like bars and shakes as being used in certain cases of induction, but does 12-15 net carbs of veggies make sense. It sounds like you get more fiber that way too.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

Well ... the cups vs. carbs issue can be a "hot issue".

While Dr. Atkins does write about cups in DANDR, Rule #3 states, "Eat no more than 20 [net] grams of carbohydrates, most of which must come in the form of salad greens and other vegetables."

The "key" word here is "most"... and it's something that a lot of people over looked because they focused on the NEXT sentence, which is the "3 cups"...

The result of limiting yourself to "cups" is that one is quite likely to not be eating "most" of your net carbs from vegetables.

Cups was a visualization ... a holdover from earlier editions of DANDR.

Now ... I've seen lots of people be successful by following the 12-15 net carbs from Induction vegetables, regardless of how many cups ... and there's people here who are successful limiting themselves to cups.

[Reborn_Warrior]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

That is what I was thinking.

I am not a huge fan of many of the salad veggies. I have them all and I just gag gag at some of them.

If you eat 12 net carbs of total veggies, I don't see the problem. You get more fiber, and you get more healthy vitamins.

As mentioned before, the problem with what is a cup differes. I could cut a celery one way and fill a cup, or I could cut it a different way and put two in a cup.

Instead of worrying if we are breaking a commandment by eating 12-15 net carbs, is it so wrong to not worry about cup servings?

The real question is this, will it really stall weight loss? In the end, you are still eating the same exact amount of carbs you should.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

>> If you eat 12 net carbs of total veggies, I>>

Well, you do need to restrict yourself to the Induction vegetables ... until you get to the other vegetable rungs of OWL.

If you're thinking that you can have 12-15 net carbs of any vegetable you want, then you are thinking wrong!

[Reborn_Warrior]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

>> If you eat 12 net carbs of total veggies, I>>

Well, you do need to restrict yourself to the Induction vegetables ... until you get to the other vegetable rungs of OWL.

If you're thinking that you can have 12-15 net carbs of any vegetable you want, then you are thinking wrong!

I am talking about what is on the list, Atkins.com has the same veggies list.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

>>Atkins.com has the same veggies list.>>

Actually, their list is inaccurate.

Best to use the one from DANDR or the one here:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-low-carb-dieting-faqs/6781-what-foods-can-eaten-induction.html#

[Reborn_Warrior]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

>>Atkins.com has the same veggies list.>>

Actually, their list is inaccurate.

Best to use the one from DANDR or the one here:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...nduction.html#

Looks pretty much the same to me. Are there any major differences?

[liv]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

Our list says you can eat two cups of salad veggies and one from the other becasue that is what the book says. I think that is the major difference.

[Reborn_Warrior]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

Our list says you can eat two cups of salad veggies and one from the other becasue that is what the book says. I think that is the major difference.

She said the list on Atkins.com is incomplete, I am asking what the major difference is? To me that would mean there is a difference in food listings. It goes without saying that Atkins.com does not say you can only eat three cups of veggies.

[liv]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

I am not an expert on their list maybe Atkinsgal will get back to you.

[mission to lose]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

That is what I was thinking.



As mentioned before, the problem with what is a cup differes. I could cut a celery one way and fill a cup, or I could cut it a different way and put two in a cup.

The way I handle that is...there is a Carb list on ADBB that states the food name, weight, cal, fiber carbs, etc.

It says for example .... 1cup celery = 120 g. So for certain foods I weigh it according to the chart. Like you say, it depends on how it is cut. So in some cases I just use the weight equivalent. I do't do it for everything, just the more difficult foods.

I have a copy printed out and covered in plastic page covers in my Atkins binder and use it daily.

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/useful_files/CARB_COUNT.pdf

[atkinsgal08]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

>>To me that would mean there is a difference in food listings.>>

The best thing to do is to compare the list in your DANDR or from here and the list there.

Then you'll see what's different ... and missing!

[Reborn_Warrior]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

>>To me that would mean there is a difference in food listings.>>

The best thing to do is to compare the list in your DANDR or from here and the list there.

Then you'll see what's different ... and missing!

I just looked at the food lists and you are right! Here is the MAJOR differences:


Atkins.com does not list mache, sorrel, scallions, dandelion, bean sporouts, string beans, and beet greens.

Horrible... And those our my favorite veggies too!

[RosieC]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

It seems to me as well that they have avocado and olives in the regular list instead of in the special category foods where you are limited to 10-20 olives *or* half small avocado *or* 1oz sour cream *or* 3oz heavy cream. I guess whether these things make a big difference to you depends on whether you like them a lot.

[Aways2Go]

Re: What is wrong with more than three cups of veggies?

Just as a side note, lightly steamed (just till they wilt down) beet greens (beet tops) with a little butter, salt, and maybe a squeeze of lemon juice are one of the most wonderful side dishes this side of heaven. I used to eat them under a small pile of cut up steamed beets also, but being on Atkins, I have forgone the beets themselves until I get to maintenance. Still, the beet greens beat the %&# out of spinach, mustard, turnip, kale, or any other greens I have ever eaten... .

and in a family of farm oriented folks, I have eaten a LOT of greens in my time, LOL!

They need to be fresh when you start to cook them, not limp and yellowed. And it does take a fairly hearty handful to amount to anything after they are steamed as they wilt down pretty dramatically. It generally takes the tops from several decent sized beets to make one decent sized serving of greens after steaming.

Highly recommended!