ITS SO INCREDIBLY SAD

[ttdriver]

It is not just this or that nation that's gaining weight. It's the whole freaking fast food loving "McWorld" we live in

If only people were thinking about their tomorrows instead of their tonight's mega meal(s) and if only there were less potato-whatevers on the market (not that I'm saying it's THAT black and white - it's not) ...

I SO AGREE!! Thank you for posting this. I wish you every success on your journey to better health!

Betty

[spirittalker]

Nutrinut-Did you come on the forum to bash people. ttdriver is not too thin. I have seen a couple of her menus and they look fine to me. Maybe you haven't seen how buff she really is. She posted a picture a few weeks ago and all I can say is she looked toned and buffed but not overly thin. Reading the few posts you wrote in this thread it alsmost seems like you are against Atkins. I could be wrong but I do not think your critisism is very contructive.

[ttdriver]

Susan,

THANK YOU. I so appreciate what you wrote and how you wrote it. :hug

Betty

[spirittalker]

:hug

[ex-barbie-doll]

Nutrinut-Did you come on the forum to bash people. ttdriver is not too thin. I have seen a couple of her menus and they look fine to me. Maybe you haven't seen how buff she really is. She posted a picture a few weeks ago and all I can say is she looked toned and buffed but not overly thin. Reading the few posts you wrote in this thread it alsmost seems like you are against Atkins. I could be wrong but I do not think your critisism is very contructive.

I agree totally. I do not think she is too thin...she is trim and slim and very toned.... :wave

I am 5'7" and currently 134 pounds..... some may think that is too thin... but they would be those that weigh considerably more than that.... because I am no where near being thin...

[Miss Seaneen]

Why get personal? I think the original post was more to do with the culture of obesity fuelled by the junk food industry. And when this food is so cheap, so readily available, of course people are going to eat it. It's the same in Britain and right now there is massive uproar concerning it, as school dinners are being remodelled to remove junk food.

It is inarguable that it is a disgrace that the food used to fuel children, to fuel their minds to work and play and learn and discover- is junk crap because it's easy and cheap. Obesity in early life leads to so much problems in later life, and the culture of apathy and convenience has fuelled this. And money, of course, since junk food giants are just there to make more money for themselves, to turn the public at large into slavering zombies for their empty crap, to form emotional attachments with their consumers, to stand by them as passionatly as they would their political ideals or loved ones, so deeply engrained into life they are.

Now Mc Donalds are introducing carrot sticks and salads in a pitiful effort to backtrack and undo the fact that they have been poisoning people for years and years, but still push for the image that they are harmless, part of the way of life, that THEY control your health and nutrition, not you.

Obesity has many causes. And not everyone minds they are obese and are happy, and that is there choice. There is always free choice, but it is a good thing to keep your eyes and ears open, that this advertising, this marketing, is false and dangerous, a form of control, and it should be resisted. They make emotional ties, ties of pride, of privelege, and it's a downward spiral. In life, there is only this moment, but you need to be responsible if you want your life to last.

Don't get personal, it's not fair.

[matawguro]

ttdriver - at 5' 3" and 132 pounds, you were not overweight to begin with! You were well within the "ideal" weight range. I am only 3/4" taller than you, and at 135, my doctor considered me "ideal" and I looked great (size .

It seems to me that your perception of your body is skewed somewhat, which is a concern.

I beg to differ. I am very tiny .. and we all know that ideal weights do not take into consideration bone structure. You can be the same height as another person but not be able to carry as much weight on your particular frame.

Off the top of my head, I think the average weight for a 5'3" female college student in the Philippines would be around 100lbs. If Betty does have the frame of a young Filipina then there's nothing unusual about her stats.

[Miss Seaneen]

Instead of being so sad about the physical condition of the people in this country, I am more concerned about the moral and spiritual depravity that exists.

They are entwined. The moral and spiritual depravity is retard corporations and advertising sucking the joy of life out of people, feeding them junk food and junk TV to keep us stupid and apathetic, putting COPS on so we know that one day, we protest and we are found, the doors broken down, keeping us afraid and impotent. WE are the status quo, WE have the power to change the world.

And physical condition is important. It affects how you think, how you feel, how you live. It determines how we live, and when we die.

*Disclaimer* I'm not a conspiracy type, but you might have guessed, I believe in PEOPLE having the power, not the corporations.

[ttdriver]

Miss Seaneen, I so agree!

Thanks to all of you who respect the effort I have put forth to get where I am and the 100% COMMITMENT IT TAKES ON A DAILY BASIS to stay there ...

OKAY, OFF TO RUN MY 9 MILES! :joy

Betty

[Moochiecat]

In response to ttdrivers original post, I am also very saddened by what I see.

Where I really notice it is in the grocery store. The one I go to has those little mini-carts for kids to push around and it seems like the parents usually let the kid carry the 'fun' foods, like pop, sweet snacks etc. I don't recall having seen fruit or veggies in a little kids cart the times I've been there.

I don't think anyone is happy being fat, as 64oz said, it's just a matter of not facing their reality....and I think now that obesity is so common, they feel comfortable being in the norm, so they get complacnent.

It boils down to the individual taking control of his/her own situation, doesn't it?

[Pam_C]

Betty,
I don't think you meant that in a bad wayand as far as your height/weight goes I am short 5'1" and aiming for 125lbs. I have a large frame though so my doctor said anything under that might be too much. I think you look fine. It all depends on how your built. I agree with all you have said but I know people like me had to have something to wake them up to"see the light" All of you guys are great support.
Pam

[Nutri_Nut]

ttdriver - I responded to you privately; however, the messages are still sitting in my outbox rather than sent box, so I don't know that they actually "sent." I am not that familiar with how the private message system works, obviously.

[AllieCat0817]

It makes me sad too. And I definitely used to be obese, and it is the absolute truth that absolutely nothing will make someone want to change unless it comes from within.

Me and DH went to Golden Corral buffet last weekend when we were out of town. By the way their salad bar is OFF THE CHAIN------- so good! I felt blessed to feel absolutely satisfied and wonderful eating my delicious salad and steak. Their steaks are SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD and seasoned so well. I didn't get up one time for anything else. I felt blessed. God is good and He provides me with all I need.

I DID feel sad at the representation of obesity in the restaurant, at the people going back a hundred times for more. Someone commented on a forum that they hated buffets cause they couldn't get their 'moneys worth'. That is part of the problem. I got a thousand % of my money's worth- I ate a delicious healthy meal and was very satisfied. Why does feeling totally stuffed and trying everything on the menu equate to getting your money's worth?

America has serious problems and it becomes more evident every day.

[sugarfreeone]

I mean no disrespect here Nutri_nut, but what you said to ttdriver almost sounds to me like a form of discrimination toward her because of the way she prefers her body to look and feel...and she said nothing discriminatory toward the obese..She just said it was sad and it is VERY sad.....

Some people were just meant to be thinner than others.....and as we well know, medical charts depicting appropriate weights do not take many other factors into account...such as frame size, muscle mass, body fat percentages...

A more appropriate means of measuring obesity or thinness would be a body mass index....and body composition testing.

Also, with a nutrition degree and having worked for years as a dietetic technician in hospitals we use a formula to determine appropriate weight for height for women...however, this calculation only accounts again for height and not for bone density or frame size....

It is : 100 pounds for the first five feet in height + add 5 pounds for each inch over five feet. You then get the range by doing a +/- 10% on the number...

Therefore the weight range for a 5'3" woman not taking into consideration any of the other factors would be :

anywhere from 103.5 - 126.5 pounds

So according to that calculation, ttdriver was over her appropriate weight when she began atkins. If she has a very small frame and fine bone structure, 94 pounds would not be unreasonable.

[ttdriver]

Thanks, sugarfreeone!! :hug

Betty