Why the bad press???

[livinontheedgell]

Just wondering if anyone out there has read, saw or experienced anything that supports all the negative things said about the Atkins WOE. When I'm asked what I'm doing to loose weight, I explain and every single time, I get criticized. From friends and family to medical professionals and dieticians. I can't really find anything that supports their negative claims. Any feedback or information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

-Shawn

[Shrew2u]

Re: Why the bad press???

Plug a day's menu into FitDay. Print out what you eat and the nutritional content of your day's food. Whenever someone begins to criticize, pull out your FitDay sheet and ask them what they ate today. Ask them if they know how many calories they consume in a day, and whether their diet is nutritionally sound. Then show them your FitDay sheet and see if they still want to criticize all that good, wholesome food that should be plugged into your FitDay printout. Once they see how nutritionally sound (and FULL OF VEGETABLES, HINT HINT) your daily food intake is, there's not much they can say that won't sound completely stupid.

(Oh, and great job on the weight loss! Don't be afraid to move on to OWL, though - 5g net of additional veg won't bite cha on the butt, promise!))

[liv]

Re: Why the bad press???

Ignorance I think.
People seem to not really know what the diet is or how it works and they do not care to know. So they criticize without clues.
Personally I don't care. If that is what they want to believe - I just shrug and say whatever.
But I think that though it is slow we are getting somewhat vindicated. People have started to understand that sugar is as much a problem as fat or that starches are not great. But boy this is a slow process. The American Diabetes Association did acknowledge a couple of years a go (2008 ) that low carbing may be a good way for diabetic people to lose weight. (About 26 years after Atkins first book) But it is a step in the right direction

[mission to lose]

Re: Why the bad press???

*I have lost 36#,

*My blood test (cholesterol) improved a little, (they were taken too soon after I started to show a BIG difference),

*but there WAS an improvement---(I can't wait until next tests, I will walk around with those numbers in my hand and show everyone the results when they "poo poo" the Atkins WOE.

*I have tons of energy that I haven't had since I can't even remember...


*....and my dear 80 yr old Mom, bless her heart, keeps after me questioning "why can't you eat an apple", or "how healthy is that if you can't eat fruit?"

*SO I explain it all to her again and again.....

[ziggy]

Re: Why the bad press???

alot of medical professionals and dieticians alot of the time don't have a clue what they are doing and refuse to allow anyone to teach them new things. Correct the wise man and the wise man becomes wiser. but Correct the medical professional dieiticans and they make bullshit excuses

freinds and family have been brainwashed into thinking all fat is bad but only man made fats and hydrogenated oils are bad

drug companies, marketing, money, etc satan controls all the nations of the world its evil and just cares about makeing money they slap the words organic on foods that are not really organic and can be up to 30% GMO while still by law allowed to say organic but a true organic food needs to say 100% organic

they lie to us and slap heart healthy logos on refind grains bread.
they still allow dangerous health hazardous foods like this to be sold to people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwVAkrHLq4&feature=rec-r2-2r-4-HM

for over 99% of humans entire exsistence we have been fat burning metabolisms
if you hunt and gather in any place in the world out of the 3 macro nutrients you bring back carbohydrates will be the lowest

you can eat like 100 grams of carbohydrates a day and still be a fat burning metabolism thats alot of vegetables and fruit and fruit is not around in nature very much only a few months out of the year

they say saturated fats are bad for us which is a complete lie. LDL cholesterol is used by the body to do lots of things one is makeing new cells you would die with out LDL and your HDL recycles your LDL.

to explain some things there is small dense LDL which can get stuck and then turn rancid and cause problems because the HDL can't recycle it when its stuck

and then there is the large healthy fluffy LDL which does not get stuck and has no health risk and saturated fat creates the large healthy LDL so saturated fat is very good for you


here is a common mistake people do

they start the Atkins diet and then 2 months later get a cholestoral test
and it will come back that there LDL has gone through the roof then there doctor will go berserk and tell them that there diet is bad and the people will get upset quit the diet and be put on cholesterol lowering meds.

but this is what really happens when starting atkins sure you get a spike in LDL but its the good large healthy fluffy LDL. so then at that time you have the spike in large healthy fluffy LDL and still have the bad small dense LDL. so now you got both LDL good and bad and it takes mostly 6 months on atkins to get rid of the small dense bad LDL

but even after the 6 months there test will show your LDL only to be decent just a slight bit high but its the large healthy kind which has no health risk so in short you have great cholesterol


a total cholestoral test the one they normally give you is basically useless. you want to get a good cholesterol test that measures all types and sizes and such of your cholestoral and not one that combinds all LDL and shows just the total of them all

The commonly recommended blood tests to evaluate heart disease risks are almost worthless for truly determining the risks. Doctors will obtain a common cholesterol test that measures only the total cholesterol (CT), high density lipoprotein (HDL), and triglycerides (TR). These measurements are used to calculate the low-density lipoprotein (LDL) which then becomes the main focus. Medical authorities have set the limit for LDL lower and lower as cholesterol-lowering drugs have failed to have any positive effect on the rate of heart disease. The lower limit for LDL was 100, but people continued to develop heart disease at an increasing rate. Now the limit has been lowered still farther to 70. This unreasonably low limit makes everyone in the world a prime candidate for the cholesterol-lowering pharmaceutical drugs.

you see they want to put us on useless drugs the drugs don't even modulate the size of your cholestoral

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA2fsa94MI&feature=player_embedded

Reversing Heart Disease, Heart Attack, Coronary Artery Disease, Stents, LDL, and HDL Cholesterol Success Stories.

the whole saturated fat artery clogging thing has been a lie

take cultures of people who eat naturally they are all healthy and lets take one that eats the highest % of fat eskimos who eat a diet of up to 80% fat and lots of saturated animal fats and out of all of them who eat there natural diet they have 0% obesity, 0% heart disease, 0% type 2 diabetes.

While 1 in 2 americans will die from a heart attack

then the medical system doctors make excuses saying the eskimos are special. then why do other people from other places who change there diet to eat naturally like eskimos or atkins diet and then get all healthy and cure there obesity, heart disease, and type 2 diabetes?


also people will make crap up to sell anything to us doesnt matter if it ends up killing us or not

soy is very bad no amount of soy is safe to eat
unless its fermented soy but only japan ferments there soy properly enough to get rid of the toxins. Western culture does not ferment there soy properly if at all it is extremely dangerous to eat any amount of it and yet its mixed in with almost all the pre made foods we eat
Welcome to Soy Online Service

[Zumbagirl]

Re: Why the bad press???

TV is full of crap. When commercials begin, then the propaganda begins: "Kelloggs Corn Flakes are nutricious." A kid eats Rice Crispies while her mom sit next to her and a voice says that the food is healthy. And Nutella is "supposedly" healthy.

We all know that is full of cr*p and those foods are full of sugar. But the brainwashing is so forceful... "Low fat is the way to go" and they drink skimmed milk and believe they are having something nutritious.

Just for fun, nutrition facts of Nutella:

Nutrition Facts

Per 13 oz Jar (371 g) (USA & Canada Product)

• Calories 1950
• Fat 110 g
  • Saturated 35 g
  • Trans 0 g
  
  
• Cholesterol 0 mg
• Sodium 150 mg
• Carbohydrate 220 g
  • Fiber 10 g
  • Sugars 210 g
  
  
• Protein 30 g

Nutella - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[mission to lose]

Re: Why the bad press???

TV is full of crap. When commercials begin, then the propaganda begins: "Kelloggs Corn Flakes are nutricious." A kid eats Rice Crispies while her mom sit next to her and a voice says that the food is healthy. And Nutella is "supposedly" healthy.

We all know that is full of cr*p and those foods are full of sugar. But the brainwashing is so forceful... "Low fat is the way to go" and they drink skimmed milk and believe they are having something nutritious.

Just for fun, nutrition facts of Nutella:

Nutrition Facts

Per 13 oz Jar (371 g) (USA & Canada Product)

• Calories 1950
• Fat 110 g
  • Saturated 35 g
  • Trans 0 g
  
  
• Cholesterol 0 mg
• Sodium 150 mg
• Carbohydrate 220 g
  • Fiber 10 g
  • Sugars 210 g
  
  
• Protein 30 g

Nutella - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey there Zumbagirl,

Did you see our Nutella thread today?

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/main-atkins-diet-forum/84572-nutella-commercial.html

Yes, and the more of these STUPID commercials I see, the angrier I get, that I and so many others have been fooled by this garbage for so many years. Even my spouse was telling me for years that sugar was awful for you, and I told him "no, it can't be that bad, it has no FAT!" Boy, wish I listened to him over 10 years ago!

[Zumbagirl]

Re: Why the bad press???

Mission to lose, I will see the thread now. Thanks

[Aways2Go]

Re: Why the bad press???

Flawed assumptions from a few studies decades ago led the govt to believe that reducing fat in the American diet would reduce heart disease and other problems resulting from diet. They began throwing money at different agencies to push for Americans to reduce their intake of fat. Over the last few decades, the percent of fat in the average American diet has gone down, but the amount of carbs/sugars in the diet has gone way up. Meanwhile the obesity rates have continued to climb and we have gained nothing healthwise. And despite how much harping we all have all seen and heard about how bad dietary fat is for us, there is very scant evidence actually showing this to be true. Lab created 'replacement' fats yes, but natural fats in the diet in the absence of high levels of sugars/processed carbs, no.

After spending 3 decades or so pounding on everyone to 'eat right by reducing dietary fat' and by placing carbs at the base of the food pyramid, better studies are now showing that it isn't fat that was/is causing the bulk of the health issues, but sugars and processed foods (which are generally full of sugars and lacking in fiber and other nutrients) in the diet.

It will be slow to turn the tide, but make no mistake, it is slowly starting to turn. I would guess it will take another decade or two more before fat stops being so demonized in the diet and the main culprits of sugars and processed carby foods will be identified as the main problem.

It is also true that the bulk of the food we export to other countries is lifeless, starchy/sugary, carb laden foods. I can't believe it will be easy to get any group profiting from food exports to jump on board and admit that type of food is really not healthy. There are too many dollars and jobs tied up in exporting that very type of food for the mantra to change very quickly. Plus how easy can it be for all the "experts" to all of a sudden say, "oops, sorry, we were apparently wrong, so stop eating those low fat products we've been encouraging and start reducing all those carbs we've been telling you to eat more of for the last 30 years."

No matter. In the meantime, I just continue to eat low carb and unprocessed foods and watch my weight go down and my level of health go up. I don't need any study or govt recommendations to understand that and see the results.

[livinontheedgell]

Re: Why the bad press???

Thank you everyone for your wonderful replies. It's nice to see that there is no hard evidence that this lifestyle is as dangerous as it's hyped up to be. When the heat starts comming down on me about choosing Atkins as my lifestyle change, I usually reply "I'm still here feeling better than ever"! Of course then I get, "We'll see where your at in 5-10 years". It is very frustrating! Having read many post, I do believe that these are just simple "scare tactics" and unfortunatly they have gotten the better of some people. It truley is a shame that "The Food Pyrmid" is geared the wrong way.

[Maggiemuggs]

Re: Why the bad press???

I am a regular viewer of The View, and when they did their New Year's resolution show this year, 4 out of 5 of the diets they presented were some form of low carb/sugar and higher healthy fats. They even had one on Regis and Kelly showing cream and whipping cream being added to coffee! I have never seen something like that before. It is going to take a long time for a turn around, just like it took for the medical profession to teach us our old way of thinking. Hopefully it won't take as long for our governments to see this and lower the amounts of sugars that are being added to our foods unnaturally.

[bizzlekitty]

Re: Why the bad press???

I often reverse the questions.

"So what actual research have you read that says Atkins is bad?" I've read many studies (not from magazines, from actual research) and most are inclusive. If anything, those on a low carb diet successfully lose weight just like a low fat diet when done right.

"Have you read all the news reports about rising cases of obesity and heart disease?"

"Did you know cases of heart disease and obesity have risen dramatically since the increase use of refined sugars and processed wheat and all kinds of processed foods? This has been happening all over the world in cultures where these changes have been introduced."

Then I talk about my weight loss, how my cholesterol dropped 50 pts, how much more energy I have, how much I'm exercising, that I'm eating 6-8 servings of vegetables (not potatoes!) every day, and I'm hardly ever hungry or crave anything, and that all my doctors are all on board with me.

That usually handles most of the objections. I like the idea of asking how many calories the objectors are eating, how many veggies etc. I would bet in most cases, it's less than adequate. I can think of only 2 friends of mine that actually eat healthy.

[Suzanne_H]

Re: Why the bad press???

I think the bad reputation comes from the myriads of people who tried their own style of Atkins and failed... because they didn't read the book and/or they didn't follow directions. A lot of folks just love the FAST weight loss they experience on induction, yet Dr. Atkins was crystal clear that induction is intended for just that... induction, a beginning, a clean start. The remainder of the rungs are a bit tricky and require one to pay more attention to what goes in the belly.

Funny that South Beach has a better reputation IMHO, yet there's not much variance between the two. Seems to me SB puts one up the rungs faster, which would be foolish... climbing the rungs slowly has helped me tremendously to identify problem foods, foods that work, and introduce new foods. Anyhow... just my two cents. Nice thread and awesome weight loss there!

[Skeptika23]

Re: Why the bad press???

I truly think part of it is that the majority of people - inside and outside the medical community - don't understand what Atkins is at all. They think it's "no carb" and eating nothing but meat, eggs and cheese.

[LageNomAi]

Re: Why the bad press???

Everyone has made good points here, but I want to give a special ditto to ziggy.