Carb Withdrawls

[SEACarbs]

Had a typical high carb diet for decades. Went on low / no carb a week ago, and notice I'm constantly hungry, despite having an intake of about the same calories. Energy level feels better, however. Any thoughts on helping the hunger pangs go away after the carbs have been cut out?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

>>Went on low / no carb a week ago, and notice I'm constantly hungry,>>

Atkins isn't "no carb".

Are you reading Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution (2002)?

[Elizellen]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Do you know how much fat is on your menus?

[jcapulet]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Are you eating enough?

If you would post a menu of what you ate today or yesterday, we'd be better able help you.

[Desertthorn]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Sea, I'll bet your not eating enough fat. Remember this isn't a lowfat low carb diet, its high fat so if your hungry there is something not right.


P.S. I'm just south of you, south of Olympia.

[SEACarbs]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Yesterday:

B'fast
2 hard boiled eggs
about 1/4 cup raw walnuts
small cheese sticks

mid morning snack:
cheese stick
1/8 cup raw almonds

lunch:
sushi (mostly salmon, a small bit of brown rice, no white rice or soy sauce)
small glass of reisling (don't flame)

Afternoon snacks:
Mixed nuts

Dinner:
carb free extra-spicy pork, beef & turkey meatloaf
2 servings buttered coliflower
Celery stuffed with a mix of smoked gouda and olive oil based "mayo"

No desert

Toughest time is between b'fast and lunch.

30 minute aerobic workout before lunch.

2 cups of strong black coffee during the day.

Regular water consumption.

Again, have much more energy than with a conventional super-high carb diet, and I'm loosing weight. Hunger pangs are driving me nuts. I realize this is not a by-the book diet.

Thanks

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

>>I realize this is not a by-the book diet.>>

Well, since you're not really doing Atkins, it would be difficult to give you any advice based on Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution that would be meaningful or helpful to you.

Is there a reason you're looking for advice at an Atkins forum if you're not doing Atkins?

[Desertthorn]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Thats not enough food to keep a pigeon full.

Instead of the walnuts for breakfast (We wait for OWL to add nuts) What about 3 eggs and 2 or three slices of bacon. That cheese stick is good, but don't go overboard with the cheese, keep it to about 3 oz a day

Lunch is not enough food. Again, no almonds, but what about a taco salad without the chips, two cups total veggies and the meat, and sour cream and cheese and salsa if its a part of your two cups. or Tuna salad, heavy on the tuna, egg salad? Is it sushi or sashimi. Raw salmon is fine, nori is fine, rice isn't of course, and while we can have alcohol after induction, reisling isn't the best choice.



Dinner looked good and sounds good as long as the holder wasn't bread crumbs or grandma's fav, oatmeal.

Hunger defeats the whole point of Atkins. You might want to read the first few chapters of his book so you get the feel of how and why it works. We go by Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution published in 2002? I found two copies at the second hand store last week, so they are not hard to find.

[Georgiana]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

SEAcarbs, do you want to do Atkins? If you do, then what phase do you consider yourself to be in?

If all you want to do is follow your own low carb plan, there are forums that will likely offer you more support with that. PM me if you need some links.

[Suzanne_H]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Atkins Diet Bulletin Board is pretty much 100% by-the-book. We find that it works best for us, and we don't suffer the hunger and cravings and so forth. I have rarely found anyone who followed this diet the way it's written and suffered for very long with hunger and cravings. If I want results, then I need to do what others have done to achieve those results.

I would recommend you start here:
Atkins Diet 14-day Induction - Atkins Diet

[ziggy]

Re: Carb Withdrawls

Yesterday:

B'fast
2 hard boiled eggs
about 1/4 cup raw walnuts
small cheese sticks

mid morning snack:
cheese stick
1/8 cup raw almonds

lunch:
sushi (mostly salmon, a small bit of brown rice, no white rice or soy sauce)
small glass of reisling (don't flame)

Afternoon snacks:
Mixed nuts

Dinner:
carb free extra-spicy pork, beef & turkey meatloaf
2 servings buttered coliflower
Celery stuffed with a mix of smoked gouda and olive oil based "mayo"

No desert

Toughest time is between b'fast and lunch.

30 minute aerobic workout before lunch.

2 cups of strong black coffee during the day.

Regular water consumption.

Again, have much more energy than with a conventional super-high carb diet, and I'm loosing weight. Hunger pangs are driving me nuts. I realize this is not a by-the book diet.

Thanks

your eating many illegal foods that can cause craveings your not doing the diet right at all you can't eat nuts yet thats rung 3 you cant eat rice thats rung 9

not all carbohydrates are the same your eating all wrong heres a list follow it 100% only eat the foods on it and no coffee allowed


around 20 carbohydrates a day or less not counting fiber


About amounts - the 2002 edition of DANDR states that we can have 2 cups of Salad Veggies and 1 cup of Other Veggies, or 3 cups of Salad Veggies... even if you pick veggies with very low carb counts, the 3 cups rule stays in effect for Induction.

Here is a list of the Acceptable foods:

Acceptable Foods

These are the foods you may eat liberally during Induction:
all fish, all fowl, all shellfish, all meat, all eggs

*Oysters and mussels are higher in carbs than other shellfish, so limit them to four ounces per day.

**Processed meats, such as ham, bacon, pepperoni, salami, hot dogs and other luncheon meats and some fish may be cured with added sugar and will contribute carbs. Try to avoid meat and fish products cured with nitrates, which are known carcinogens. Also beware of products that are not exclusively meat, fish or fowl, such as imitation fish, meatloaf and breaded foods. Finally, do not consume more than four ounces of organ meats a day.

OTHER FOODS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE DURING INDUCTION

Cheese
You can consume three to four ounces daily of the following full-fat, firm, soft and semi-soft aged cheeses*, including:

cheddar
cow, sheep and goat cheese
cream cheese
Gouda
mozzarella
Roquefort and other blue cheeses
Swiss
*All cheeses have some carbohydrate content. The quantity you eat should be governed by that knowledge. The rule of thumb is to count 1 ounce of cheese as equivalent to 1 gram of carbohydrate. Note that cottage cheese, farmer's cheese and other fresh cheeses are not permitted during Induction. No "diet" cheese, cheese spreads or whey cheeses are permitted. Individuals with known yeast symptoms, dairy allergy or cheese intolerance must avoid cheese. Imitation cheese products are not allowed, except for soy or rice cheese but check the carbohydrate content.

Vegetables
You can have two to three cups per day of:

alfalfa sprouts
daikon
mushrooms
arugula
endive
parsley
bok choy
escarole
peppers
celery
fennel
radicchio
chicory
jicama
radishes
chives
lettuce
romaine lettuce
cucumber
moche
sorrel
These salad vegetables are high in phytonutrients and provide a good source of fiber.

Other Vegetables
You can have one cup per day of these veggies if salad does not exceed two cups. The following vegetables are slightly higher in carbohydrate content than the salad vegetables:

artichoke
celery root
pumpkin
artichoke hearts
rhubarb
asparagus
chard
sauerkraut
bamboo shoots
collard greens
scallions
dandelion
snow peas
bean sprouts
dandelion greens
spaghetti squash
beet greens
eggplant
spinach
broccoli
hearts of palm
string or wax beans
broccoli rabe
kale
summer squash
brussels
kohlrabi
tomato
bean sprouts
leeks
turnips
cabbage
okra
water chestnuts
cauliflower
onion
zucchini
If a vegetable, such as spinach or tomato, cooks down significantly, it must be measured raw so as not to underestimate its carb count.

Salad Garnishes

crumbled crisp bacon
grated cheese
minced hard-boiled egg
sauted mushrooms
sour cream

Spices
All spices to taste, but make sure none contain added sugar.

Herbs
basil
garlic
rosemary
cayenne pepper
ginger
sage
cilantro
oregano
tarragon
dill
pepper
thyme
For salad dressing, use oil and vinegar (but not balsamic vinegar, which contains sugar) or lemon juice and herbs and spices. Prepared salad dressings without added sugar and no more than two carbs per tablespoon serving are also fine.

Acceptable Fats and Oils
Many fats, especially certain oils, are essential to good nutrition. Olive oil is particularly valuable. All other vegetable oils are allowed, the best being canola, walnut, grapeseed, sesame, sunflower and safflower oils, especially if they are labeled "cold-pressed" or "expeller-pressed." Do not cook polyunsaturated oils, such as corn, soybean and sunflower oil, at high temperatures or allow to brown or smoke.

Butter is allowed. Margarine should be avoided, not because of its carbohydrate content, but because it is usually made of trans fats (hydrogenated oils), which are a serious health hazard. (Some nonhydrogenated margarines are available in health-food stores.)

You don't have to remove the skin and fat from meat or fowl. Salmon and other cold-water fish are an excellent source of omega-3 fatty acids.

Remember that trying to do a low-fat version of the Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM will interfere with fat burning and derail your weight loss.

Artificial Sweeteners
You must determine which artificial sweeteners agree with you, but the following are allowed: sucralose (marketed as Splenda), saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame-K. Natural sweeteners ending in the suffix "-ose," such as maltose, fructose, etc., should be avoided. However, certain sugar alcohols, such as maltitol, do not affect blood sugar and are acceptable.

Saccharin has been extensively studied, and harmful effects were produced in the lab when fed to rats only in extremely high doses. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has removed saccharin from its list of carcinogens, basing its decision upon a thorough review of the medical literature and the National Institute of Science's statement that there is "no clear association between saccharin and human cancer." It can be safely consumed in moderation, meaning no more than three packets a day. Saccharin is marketed as Sweet'n Low.

We discourage the use of aspartame (marketed as NutraSweet and Equal) because of clinical observations that it slows weight loss in certain individuals. The FDA has approved the herb stevia for use only as a supplement, not as a sweetener.

The Atkins preference, however, is sucralose (Splenda), the only sweetener made from sugar. Sucralose is safe, noncaloric and does not raise blood sugar. It has been used in Canada for years, and the FDA recently approved it after reviewing more than 100 studies conducted over the past 20 years. Note that each packet of sugar substitute contains about 1 gram of carbohydrate, so don't forget to include the amount in your daily totals.

Acceptable Beverages
Be sure to drink a minimum of eight eight-ounce glasses of water each day, including:

Filtered water
Mineral water
Spring water
Tap water
Additionally, you can have the following:

Clear broth/bouillon (not all brands; read the label)
Club soda
Cream, heavy or light (limit to two to three tablespoons a day; note carbohydrate content)
Decaffeinated coffee or tea*
Diet soda made with sucralose (Splenda); be sure to count the carbs
Essence-flavored seltzer (must say "no calories" and should not contain aspartame)
Herb tea (without barley or any fruit sugar added)
Lemon juice or lime juice (note that each contains 2.8 grams carbohydrate per ounce); limit to two to three tablespoons
*Excessive caffeine may cause unstable blood sugar and should be avoided by those who suspect they are caffeine dependent. Everyone should try to avoid caffeine. Grain beverages (coffee substitutes) are not allowed. Alcoholic beverages are also not permitted during Induction; those low in carbohydrates are an option, in moderation, in later phases.

Special Category Foods
To add variety, each day you can also eat 10 to 20 olives, half a small avocado, an ounce of sour cream or three ounces of unsweetened heavy cream, as well as two to three tablespoons of lemon juice or lime juice. But be aware that these foods occasionally slow down weight loss in some people, and may need to be avoided in the first two weeks. If you seem to be losing slowly, moderate your intake of these foods