cupcakes & beer

[AndrewH]

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This is going to sound rude, but jeez everytime you post Atkinsgal you sound more and more like a condesending *****. Every reply has an extremely sarcastic and condesending tone to it and there really is no need for it...

[Shoe Lady]

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I so agree ! She has turned me off. Don't know why board does not ban her.

[The One]

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I have been reading here for a while. The one thing I can tell you is that atkinsgal08 is very knowledgeable. Sometimes we don't like to hear things. But, if we don't hear it from those that are successful, what makes you think that you'll be successful? One can read the advice. One doesn't have to "hear" any tones when we read.

[The One]

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I don't find anything wrong with her advice or tone.

[Shoe Lady]

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Touché

[The One]

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Hi Shoe Lady. This person, atkinsgal08, will help you reach your goal. She'll put you on the right track so that you can make this you lifestyle, and you can succeed.

[Georgiana]

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There was nothing rude there. Many of those who posted in this thread want people to learn to "stand on their own feet" and not compromise their way of eating to fit whatever it's considered to be "socially acceptable". Add to this the fact that "tone" doesn't always come across correctly in writing and that the truth is not always what one wants to hear... and you'll understand why cheating threads usually become heated.

Please let's all get back to the topic discussed here instead of transforming this into a "you're rude", "oh, damn... you should be banned" thread... which really doesn't help anyone.

[AndrewH]

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I have been reading here for a while. The one thing I can tell you is that atkinsgal08 is very knowledgeable. Sometimes we don't like to hear things. But, if we don't hear it from those that are successful, what makes you think that you'll be successful? One can read the advice. One doesn't have to "hear" any tones when we read.

Too bad I can't read someones post without noticing the context of it. I don't care how knowledgable and successful she is with this diet, she has no right to talk to people the way she does just because she doesn't agree with them. Just about every post I read by her is sarcastic, condesending or rude. I for one didn't come to this site to see those kinda replies that add nothing to a thread but discourage the person reading them.

[Suzanne_H]

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J is one of my favorite people on the board. We haven't always seen eye-to-eye on things but it was inevitably due to my own inexperience. I have a lot of respect for her and read her carefully. She tells it like it is. Big reps to you, J. xoxox

[The One]

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Too bad I can't read someones post without noticing the context of it. I don't care how knowledgable and successful she is with this diet, she has no right to talk to people the way she does just because she doesn't agree with them. Just about every post I read by her is sarcastic, condesending or rude. I for one didn't come to this site to see those kinda replies that add nothing to a thread but discourage the person reading them.

Hi Andrew. Please don't confuse the fact that she may be challenging an individual to see within themselves what their problem may be. Please don't confuse that being sarcastic or condescending or rude. If you were to ask me a question and I challenged you back on the knowledge that I have, wouldn't that be better than me saying "because I said so" or "because it is what it is"? When you were back in HS or college, your professors just didn't give you answers, did they? They challenged you back. They made you work towards a goal! Right?

[mission to lose]

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Sorry Georgiana, I am still off the main subject...


...but...


some of us are Hand-Holders, some of us use "Tough Love", some are Enablers, some don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, so they tell them "it's ok", when they should have told them it is not, some are extremely knowledgeable and some give out wrong advice without a clue about what they are talking about...but we are all here to help each other, in our own ways, and mean well...AND this is an open forum, everyone has a right to speak, and as it has been said before, there is an ignore option if one should opt to use it.

My point is that we are all different. Just because some advice is not given with Sugar, I mean Splenda, doesn't mean it is not good advice.

[Suzanne_H]

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That's why I said in maintenance. - and I was responding to Suzanne's comment about 'cheating not being Atkins'.
Now cheating isn't necessarily Atkins but in maintenance you obviously can have that splurge if so desired - therefore - it can be a part of Atkins.

I clearly said - while losing -(that's obviously not somebody in maintenance) - then they shouldn't cheat.


Encouraging someone to follow the Atkins blueprint is great. I'm all for it.

I dunno. I think I kind of took the thread just a little personally... ? Ya think?? I mean I felt like some social drinker had just walked into an AA meeting and announced how well social drinking was working for them. I think I even muttered a few expletives to myself. LOL

See a long, long time ago I tried another low-carb approach that made this very claim that an occasional splurge is ok and no worries and yadda yadda. Ya know I couldn't lose weight on that diet to save my life because my definition of "occasional" kept shifting to "often" and to "frequent" and then to "DAILY". Dang. So yeah I take this WOE real seriously nowadays and don't plan to cheat even on maintenance. I'm a real carboholic, always have been. I just hadn't gotten honest with myself on that fact until fairly recently. I know I'll never consume sugary desserts or potato chips or any other empty carbs again with any measure of safety... for me that includes maintenance if I ever reach that stage, and I pray I do. Been an interesting thread to say the very least.

[The One]

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That was very well said Mission to Lose!

[2big4mysize]

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I dunno. I think I kind of took the thread just a little personally... ? Ya think?? I mean I felt like some social drinker had just walked into an AA meeting and announced how well social drinking was working for them. I think I even muttered a few expletives to myself. LOL

See a long, long time ago I tried another low-carb approach that made this very claim that an occasional splurge is ok and no worries and yadda yadda. Ya know I couldn't lose weight on that diet to save my life because my definition of "occasional" kept shifting to "often" and to "frequent" and then to "DAILY". Dang. So yeah I take this WOE real seriously nowadays and don't plan to cheat even on maintenance. I'm a real carboholic, always have been. I just hadn't gotten honest with myself on that fact until fairly recently. I know I'll never consume sugary desserts or potato chips or any other empty carbs again with any measure of safety... for me that includes maintenance if I ever reach that stage, and I pray I do. Been an interesting thread to say the very least.

LOL are we twins seperated at birth. As a carboholic I have to abstain too and that cheat meal day diet would be a full out all the time cheat diet so I have to have atkins with the built in limits on high carb foods.

but Dr Atkins in his discussions about how to do maintnenace does allow for carb banking so one can have a higher carb day if one wants, carb averaging so one can have low days and high days, or just steady as she goes days with the carbs at the CCLM levle at all times. Each person can experiment and choose for themselves how they will do maintnenace.

For the carbohic there is no choice cause our carb bank account would be over drawn the first withdrawal and averaging would end up zero carbs and 2 x CCLM carb days with wild blood sugar swings.

But not all atkinseers are carboholics. We see in in the posters who say I ate a _____ last night it was good and now I'm back on plan. We know they are not carboholics and even though they could be playing with fire they will not get burned at least not right now. maybe later in their Atkins they will set off a carb binge they can't stop with one of their endulgneces but all we can do is warn them about playing with fire.

[adreliluc]

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I dunno. I think I kind of took the thread just a little personally... ? Ya think?? I mean I felt like some social drinker had just walked into an AA meeting and announced how well social drinking was working for them. I think I even muttered a few expletives to myself. LOL

See a long, long time ago I tried another low-carb approach that made this very claim that an occasional splurge is ok and no worries and yadda yadda. Ya know I couldn't lose weight on that diet to save my life because my definition of "occasional" kept shifting to "often" and to "frequent" and then to "DAILY". Dang. So yeah I take this WOE real seriously nowadays and don't plan to cheat even on maintenance. I'm a real carboholic, always have been. I just hadn't gotten honest with myself on that fact until fairly recently. I know I'll never consume sugary desserts or potato chips or any other empty carbs again with any measure of safety... for me that includes maintenance if I ever reach that stage, and I pray I do. Been an interesting thread to say the very least.

I totally understand what you're saying girl, I don't choose to eat those foods either.

But - I want to make sure my words aren't misconstrued....

So let me be clear - one last time. LOL

My point - and only point was that the occasional - what ever you want to call it - high carb bad filled day - is allowed in maintenance - it's in the book.

That's all.

I am not saying it's right for you, me, or the next person.

My point was to correct the comment 'cheating isn't Atkins' (or whatever the original comment was, lol I'm not going to go look.

We should of course encourage everyone to stick to their guns and wait until they're in that phase if they so choose to cheat.

I wasn't telling anybody to cheat.

Anybody can read what ever they want into my comment... I didn't write the book. I'm just reminding some that's what it says.
LOL

We DO follow the book... right?

What works for some doesn't necessarily work for others. Deciding to cheat or carb load is a personal choice, nobody should be bashed or treated negatively for their choices.

We all live and learn.