Need some Veggie Help!

[miller98b]

Looking at moving into OWL rung 1 to help get out of a two week weight loss stall and I made some realizations after looking at my veggie possibilities.

1. Fitday does not post net carbs, but TOTAL carbs. I have been eating 10grams or less carbs per day!?

2. Calavo Avocados website states that there are 16 grams of carbs in a whole avocado, but there are also 16 grams of dietary fiber. Does that make Avocados a "free food?" Should we really be eating them then if they are not helping our carb count?

3. Realizing that I need to raise my net carbs from veggies by nearly 15 grams, to reach OWL rung 1's recommended 25 net grams, it is nearly impossible to do so with the alloted two-three cups of veggies per day. There is so much fiber in the allowed vegetables that I need to eat so much to get to my 25 grams. I am eating broccoli, mushrooms, cucumbers, avocados and cauliflower like they are going out of style.

Help me figure these things out. Did I miss the answer in the book?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

>>I have been eating 10grams or less carbs per day!?>

That's not good!

>>Calavo Avocados website states that there are 16 grams of carbs in a whole avocado, but there are also 16 grams of dietary fiber. Does that make Avocados a "free food?" Should we really be eating them then if they are not helping our carb count?>>

No, they are not a "free" food ... nor is the nutritional information accurate.

A Hass avocado, according to the USDA is 11.75 total carbs and 9.2 fiber. A whole avocado is thus 2.55 net carbs. And 1/2 small avocado is allowed on Induction per day.

>>t is nearly impossible to do so with the alloted two-three cups of veggies per day. >>

Try counting the carbs instead. It's more precise.

On OWL 1, you would be getting 17-20 net carbs from Induction vegetables.

[miller98b]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

Atkins gal,

Thanks for the info.

1. I really thought I read that it was 25grams of carbs per day in OWL rung 1. I will go back and read that section again to see where I went wrong.

2. So, I should not worry so much about the serving size, but the net carbs? I have had a very shaky weight loss over the past month and no weight loss in two weeks. I am really concerned about getting this thing right.

3. Remember that you can't tell my tone via the web, so understand that i appreciate your help and I am discussing this topic, not looking to be correct or argue. Every website I visit states that California avocados have 3 net carbs, Florida avocados have 9 net carbs and Calavo avocados have 0 net carbs. "If" they were "free foods" would we want to consume them? Hypothetically?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

>>I really thought I read that it was 25grams of carbs per day in OWL rung 1.>>

It is.

It's 17-20 net carbs of Induction vegetables.

>> Calavo avocados have 0 net carbs.>>

That's simply not correct though.

They're rounding their information.

>>"If" they were "free foods" would we want to consume them?>>

Even if they were "free", you would want to consume them for their nutrition. And a Calavo avocado is simply a Hass avocado ... so it has the same nutritional information as any other Hass avocado.

See the label on the bag here:

Calavo Growers – The First Name in Avocados

>>I have had a very shaky weight loss over the past month and no weight loss in two weeks. >>

That's why moving to OWL is indicated.

[miller98b]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

That all works for me.......Thanks a bunch!

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

Welcome!

[Elizellen]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

The net carb level for rung 1 of OWL is not necessarily 25, but a maximum - just as the net 20 carbs for induction is a maximum.

You need to work out what your average daily net carb count for induction was then add 5 net carbs of induction veggies to this number.

So if you chose mainly lettuce on induction and stuck to the 'most of your carbs from your veggies' rule you might have only been eating 5 net carbs on induction on average. In this case your OWL rung 1 goal would be 10 net carbs (your induction 5 plus your OWL rung 1 five).

If you managed to get 14 net carbs on induction on average your OWL rung 1 goal would be 19 net carbs.

If you managed to get 20 net carbs on average then your OWL rung one goal would be 25.

[Suzanne_H]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

I haven't looked the thread over, so I apologize now if these questions have already been answered... Anyhow you came to the right place!

Looking at moving into OWL rung 1 to help get out of a two week weight loss stall and I made some realizations after looking at my veggie possibilities.

1. Fitday does not post net carbs, but TOTAL carbs. I have been eating 10grams or less carbs per day!?

Ok ten grams or less a day is really not good. You need to be eating at least 20 at this point, but moving into OWL a good 25. You'll do this by eating more vegetables. Expect to have a bit of a stall at first as your body will adjust. When it does, your weight loss will continue. OWL makes for a very healthy way of eating.

2. Calavo Avocados website states that there are 16 grams of carbs in a whole avocado, but there are also 16 grams of dietary fiber. Does that make Avocados a "free food?" Should we really be eating them then if they are not helping our carb count?

Hummm no, not really any such thing as a free food on this WOE. Vendors can say just about anything about their products these days it seems. I would use the nutritional data given on FitDay for avocados. Oh I do love avocados.

3. Realizing that I need to raise my net carbs from veggies by nearly 15 grams, to reach OWL rung 1's recommended 25 net grams, it is nearly impossible to do so with the alloted two-three cups of veggies per day. There is so much fiber in the allowed vegetables that I need to eat so much to get to my 25 grams. I am eating broccoli, mushrooms, cucumbers, avocados and cauliflower like they are going out of style.

Help me figure these things out. Did I miss the answer in the book?

Goodness... personally on OWL I don't do any of the 2 to 3 cup limit things. I go by individual servings and plug them into FitDay to get the right totals. Eating broccoli, mushrooms, cucumbers, avocados, and cauliflower can eventually get boring. Part of OWL that I really enjoy is trying new vegetables and new recipes. Seems one I'm especially fond of is fennel... but yeah I'd explore the possibilities and just really enjoy OWL. It's a very healthy way of eating.

[2big4mysize]

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you must be on a different Calavo Avocados site then i am as the nutrtional panle says 8 carbs and 8 grams of fiber.Calavo Growers – The First Name in Avocados

OWL is actually just adding 5 more grams of the yummy induction veggies to where you ate your induction carb gram level so if you did 10 grams then your induction would start at 15 not 25 nor any other number. Many people make that mistake.


So to do OWL you add 5 more net grams of those yummy veggies to the amount you ate in induction which idealy whould be the full 3 cups. you can stay on rung one as long as you like testing out all the veggies you didn't eat during induction until you know how the veggies you plan to eat as part of your atkins effect you. then you can move to rung 2 or you can stay right there and add another 5 net grams worth of carbs of thsoe same veggies if you love veggies.

[Suzanne_H]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

OWL is actually just adding 5 more grams of the yummy induction veggies to where you ate your induction carb gram level so if you did 10 grams then your induction would start at 15 not 25 nor any other number. Many people make that mistake.

Ahhh then I did make that mistake. I had no idea. Makes sense now why I stalled so long

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

Suzanne,

There are many of us who believe that Induction is as close to 20 net carbs as possible ... that eating 5 or 10 or 15 net carbs on Induction isn't what was intended in DANDR.

I rarely see that eating "less" is better for anyone.

I believe that your original post:

"You need to be eating at least 20 at this point, but moving into OWL a good 25."

is much more Atkins friendly that believing you made a mistake!

But ... that's me.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Need some Veggie Help!

Ahhh then I did make that mistake. I had no idea. Makes sense now why I stalled so long

big jumps in daily carb intake can give you a blood sugar spike but shouldn't stall you out unless you have exceeded your CCLL since a stall is defined as 4 consecutive weeks of no sclae nor inches loss.
it is perfectly normal to have a slight hesitation in scale weight loss numbers after the inital big loss during induction Atkinseers call it PISS. it will happen on any weight loss plan regardless of high or low carb.

the human body resists collapsing inward upon itself and will stuff the places where body fat has been removed with fluid until such time as that stuffed fluid causes biochemical interferance and then the body will release a chemical to release the fluids and whoosh overnight you will get a drop in scale numbers unrealted to your eating and drinking the day before. Then it will start all over again. But during the fluid stuffing noscale moving phase you will see inched of body fat being shed if you make friends with your tape measure cause fat molecules are not as dense as the fluid molecules.

So use all the tools Dr Atkins recommneds to measure your success.