Do you measure everything?

[poobears1972]

Re: Do you measure everything?

In our book veggies are 2 cups of salad veggies + one other or 3 cups of salad veggies so by that guide you are high on your veggies. Also the shake is not really atkins friendly when you read the ingredients, best to skip it if you can.

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

Hi poobears1972; I am only on Chapter 8 of the DANDR, he does not even mention the foods on the diet yet...this book is very informative, but I wish he would ge on with it already.

These books are so different, it is interesting, one has to ask which one is right? I just skipped to the back (to find out where the actual diet guidelines are) and see that part Five is Menus and Recipes. I will read through that as I'm finishing up the rest of the book. I guess I will re-start using only the menus in the back of the book for two weeks to get on board with the DANDR...it seems so much more restrictive than the new book, I will have to look over the menus to see if I'm willing to give up what I've already started.

I want to read the third book now, just to see how the three compare. I think there is an earlier version of this diet as well, I am going to try to get my hands on that one as well. I think as medicine advances and these diets are studied more they are able to change them in order to give us the most benefit. The last book includes much more veggies, which I'm inclined to follow.

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

In our book veggies are 2 cups of salad veggies + one other or 3 cups of salad veggies so by that guide you are high on your veggies. Also the shake is not really atkins friendly when you read the ingredients, best to skip it if you can.

On page 80 of DANDR it states : Your diet must contain no more than ...for approximately 3 cups of salad vegetables (loosely packed) or 2 cups of salad plus 2/3 cup of cooked..."

You state 2 cups of salad and 1 other, where do you find that?

Thanks,
mutantmom

[mission to lose]

Re: Do you measure everything?

On page 80 of DANDR it states : Your diet must contain no more than ...for approximately 3 cups of salad vegetables (loosely packed) or 2 cups of salad plus 2/3 cup of cooked..."

You state 2 cups of salad and 1 other, where do you find that?

Thanks,
mutantmom

Hi

My DANDR 2002 gives the Veggie Rules on page 125 and 126 in Chapter 11.

And here is a stickie from the Forum above with the same info.

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-low-carb-dieting-faqs/6781-what-foods-can-eaten-induction.html

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Do you measure everything?

>>DANDR...it seems so much more restrictive than the new book>>

It depends on how you parse Rule # 3 of Induction in DANDR.

If you get "hung up" on the cups part, then yes. If you focus on the 2nd part ... where you're to get MOST of your daily net carbs from Induction vegetables (which would be a number greater than 11), then it's not so different.

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

>>DANDR...it seems so much more restrictive than the new book>>

It depends on how you parse Rule # 3 of Induction in DANDR.

If you get "hung up" on the cups part, then yes. If you focus on the 2nd part ... where you're to get MOST of your daily net carbs from Induction vegetables (which would be a number greater than 11), then it's not so different.

I'm honestly not 'hung up' on anything, I just want to get it right, in the new book we are allowed tofu shirataki noodles in induction, I do not see this in the list in the DANDR (I happen to love tofu shirataki noodles and would like to keep using them).

Rule #3 speaks of the kiss of death, I am not talking about eating any foods outside what is listed as being acceptable in the new book, it is just that in the newer book there are more foods that one can consume in induction which I really like.

But going back to my original question, don't you have to be 'hung up' on the cups part if you are to do the plan correctly?

I'm just trying to understand the correct way of doing this woe this time around. I am reading everything I can get my hands on and there seems to be quite a bit different depending on which book one reads.

thanks
mutantmom

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

Hi

My DANDR 2002 gives the Veggie Rules on page 125 and 126 in Chapter 11.

And here is a stickie from the Forum above with the same info.

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...induction.html

Ok, now I'm confused, maybe I'm reading the wrong book, I thought there were only three, page 125-126 are in chapter 13 " The World of Yeast Infection" in the book I have.

Ok, it looks as if this book was published in 1992 not 2002. I picked this one up from our library, I guess I will only be able to get the 2002 book through amazon (which I will order today). But this is just my point, why is the 1992 book so much different than the 2002...and now the new one allows even more than the 2002 book...

Is it possible to use the new book and still benefit from this site, or has nobody moved on to the new book?

thanks,
mutantmom

[Elizellen]

Re: Do you measure everything?

I thought from some of your quotes that you must have the 1992 edition.

I assumed that the 1992 book differed from the original book (Dr Atkins Diet Revolution) because of what Dr Atkins had learned from his patients' experiences/difficulties between 1972 and 1992.
In the same way the 2002 edition which we go by here on ADBB differs from the 1992 book because of what he learned during the 10 years between them.

As far as I know the new 'New Atkins for a New You' (NANY) has been written by 3 medico's/scientists after looking at more recent studies and discussions between them and the current Atkins company.

Some of our members have bought NANY and might well be following the newer guidelines, but on the whole we are sticking with the 2002 DANDR on ADBB.

I am sure that once people have digested the new book that someone somewhere will set up a support board specifically for NANY.

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

Thanks for the info, but I've decided to stay regardless. I think the 2002 book is a bit outdated (though I will do two weeks of menus from it to see if there is any difference). But I think the comparisons are interesting enough to stay.

mutantmom

[2big4mysize]

Re: Do you measure everything?

you have made a major mistake with the protein for the new book

Ok, for a 5'8" woman one should eat 17ounces of protein per day or 78-162grams.

it's 78-162grams of protein not of food, reread it. that is not 17 ounces of food.

if you have a can of food in your cabinet r a bag of frozen food look at the nutrtional lable you will see at the top the number of serving given for the package/can of food, under the protein section it will tell you how many grams of protein are in serving given in grams. if you multiply your protein in grams by the number of servings and you will see it does not match the total weight of the whole container of food.

when you look at a raw chicken breast on fitday you will see it contains 142 grams of protein for 17 ounces but 17 ounces ofraw pork chps is only 75.9 grams of protein and 17 ounces of raw shortribs is only 40 grams of protein.

the grams of protein from the table are for just that grams of protein not grams of food. if you were to eat 17 ounces of porkchops as your choice for a day you need to be eating if say your BMR was 2000 cals 1600 cals of fats to reach that 2000 cals. With the fats serving sizes listed in 2010 as 1 tablespoon and those chops only containing 356 cals of fat ( I'm assuming you ate the fat from them too) you need around 12 tablespoons of fat to get there.



You could use the new book induction with the benefits of using all those extra veggie servings as the source for the vits and minerals Dr Atkins used to recomend supplements for, but with all those veggies from the foundation the 12-15 grams worth which ANA says is 6-10 cups why would you be motivated to add more veggies and move to OWL? that is one problem I can see with the new rules for induction.

the protein ranges are too limited for superheavy weights too cause if we just use somebody your height 78-162grams of protein will cover the minimum low carb protein needs for somebody up to 363 pounds but to be a diet covering basic cals needs for somebody 363 pounds the upper limit of the protein AND they would need to be eating 85% of their cals as fats with the new book saying fats serving sizes are tablesppons and recommending only one for a salad they would need to be eating 21 tablespoons of fat a day if they picked those porkchops as their protein and actually ate the 164 grams of protein .

Doing it the old way that 363 pounder would be eating closer to 272 grams of protein a day and again using those porkchops as the protein source they would only need 10 more tablesppons of fat which they could easily get from their salad dressing and cheese alotments

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

Hi 2bigformysize, I'm not sure I understand where I made the mistake, even in the quite you used in your reply it reads

Ok, for a 5'8" woman one should eat 17ounces of protein per day or 78-162grams

There is nothing in there that says 17 ounces of food...it clearly states 17ounces of protein, nobody could live off of 17oz of food, that is just crazy...I'm not sure why you keep stating that to me...17 ounces of food would be an appetizer...believe me when I say I'm not someone who would starve myself to death...I did not get to my size from not eating...

I'm totally lost with the rest of your post, I weigh 279.8 this morning, where are you getting 363?

I like the new book, I like that it gives us more veggies to eat initially, I think the motivation would be that you can add berries and nuts (and other foods) which still are not allowed in induction. Every time there is a new book the diet gets better more geared towards better health, which is the point of the new book. I think there is ample room to move on once I'm ready.

Thanks again for the info.

mutantmom

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Do you measure everything?

>> I like the new book, I like that it gives us more veggies to eat initially,>>

The way I interpret DANDR 2002, one can have 12-15 net carbs of Induction vegetables on Induction, too.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Do you measure everything?

>>But going back to my original question, don't you have to be 'hung up' on the cups part if you are to do the plan correctly?>>

Not in my opinion. I focus on the beginning of the sentence in Rule #3 of DANDR 2002.

>>why is the 1992 book so much different than the 2002>>

The 1992 book is essentially the 1972 book. So ... 20 years of research and fine-tuning.

Just as the 2010 book advances (and quantifies) some things from the 2002 edition.

[Desertthorn]

Re: Do you measure everything?

Hi Mom, I'm jumping in as this is an interesting post.
I read that you purchased Dr A's new book and from what I read, it's pretty good and if it works for you, that is the bottom line.
Some folks have absolutely no problem with the Atkins Shakes and Bars, and do just fine using them. Others find that they stall their weight loss and as soon as they quit them, they start losing again. So, if you start having any issues, you might want to ditch them.
Your original question was do we need to count everything that goes into our mouths. I found that after induction, I pretty much knew what how much I was getting a day, so the answer is yes, at first you should count and then once your on track, count every so often to make sure your not into 'carb creep'.
Did I tell you how glad we are that you joined us.

[Mutantmom]

Re: Do you measure everything?

Hi Mom, I'm jumping in as this is an interesting post.
I read that you purchased Dr A's new book and from what I read, it's pretty good and if it works for you, that is the bottom line.
Some folks have absolutely no problem with the Atkins Shakes and Bars, and do just fine using them. Others find that they stall their weight loss and as soon as they quit them, they start losing again. So, if you start having any issues, you might want to ditch them.
Your original question was do we need to count everything that goes into our mouths. I found that after induction, I pretty much knew what how much I was getting a day, so the answer is yes, at first you should count and then once your on track, count every so often to make sure your not into 'carb creep'.
Did I tell you how glad we are that you joined us.

Thank you so much for answering my question directly. And thank you even more for welcoming me to the site...I look forward to getting to know you.

I lost 7.1lbs in the first two weeks following the new book, much less than I've lost in the past (but that is explained in the section on insulin). I'm very happy with my loss.

I have, however, decided to go to bare minimum for a couple of weeks, pure whole foods no sauces, no salt, no shakes, no sf jello. I want to see if I can really jump start this woe again. I had one day of consuming salty foods and blew up like a balloon at the end of the first two weeks, so I want to eat perfectly clean for the next two weeks to see what difference it makes on water retention.

Again, thank you so much for answering my question and for welcoming me to the board.

mutantmom