2 weeks and no real results despite deep ketosis?

[Skyhawk747]

Phil - what is your fat/protein/carbs ratio on fitday?

I am sure I read here that more than 30% protein regularly might hinder weightloss.

Hi Elizellen,

You can see it here http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...wner=shaman747

Yesterday it was 65/31/4
day before it was 60/36/4

These seems to be my norm!

Hi 2Big,

Well if appears I am breaking the mold here! I mean I average 500 cals burn a day weightlifting and on Cardio day it exceeds a 1000 and I am eating 1500 ish cals a day so I should be seriously losing weight regardless but I am not!

Maybe I am some kind of diet freak whose metabolism is so screwed nothing will work

[Elizellen]

You can see it here http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...wner=shaman747

Yesterday it was 65/31/4
day before it was 60/36/4

I dont know if going over the 30% by a few percentage points would make a difference, maybe 2big or someone else knows?

Well if appears I am breaking the mold here! I mean I average 500 cals burn a day weightlifting and on Cardio day it exceeds a 1000 and I am eating 1500 ish cals a day so I should be seriously losing weight regardless but I am not!

Seems your body might have gone on strike with regards to weightloss :yikes
By only eating 1500 calories and doing that amount of exercise it must be convinced there is a famine and be conserving as much energy stores as it can. You really should eat more :hug

BTW - I noticed you ate a cup of Alpen this morning - about 75% carbohydrates :yikes I hate to think what that will do to your ratios today!

[Skyhawk747]

BTW - I noticed you ate a cup of Alpen this morning - about 75% carbohydrates :yikes I hate to think what that will do to your ratios today!

Yea after 2 weeks of the induction diet I decided a change of plan and I was gonna try 40 gms of carbs a day to see if I this OWL diet works better! The Alpen I had worked out at 30 odd gms. the rest will be in veggies today. However I have decided to stick with the induction diet for one more week so this was a minor 'Glitch'

I spoke with a fitness instructor today and he told me that even though I only ate 1500 calories yesterday I actually ate 5 times and that the body wotn go into famine mode. He implies that I should be in calories eaten/expended deficit and that should relate to weight loss. Apparently eating infrequently and or starvation causes famine mode not eating little 5 - 6 times daily.

However here is the interesting point, when I started the induction diet 2 weeks ago I did not go to the gym at all that week and I ate on average 1400 - 1600 cals a day and in that week I lost 4.5 lbs. When I got back, stuck to the same diet and then started in the gym again I gained weight (was not muscle increase but fat)

I am of the theory that maybe just maybe the body was happy with no exercise and 1500 cals a day - it was a reasonable calorie deficit and the body was happy to give up the weight. When I started the exercise again it put my body from say an 800 calorie defict a day to maybe 1200 - 1500 defict - maybe this triggered the body into thinking a famine was indeed taking place...

Any ideas?

Phil

[maysea]

Skyhawk747 induction is 20 carbs aday or less on you fit day your eating alpen breakfast cereal thats not on the induction foods list and is 37 carbs?
just eat whats on the induction foods list and dont forget yes muscle weighs more than fat.

[Skyhawk747]

Skyhawk747 induction is 20 carbs aday or less on you fit day your eating alpen breakfast cereal thats not on the induction foods list and is 37 carbs?
just eat whats on the induction foods list and dont forget yes muscle weighs more than fat.

Hi Maysea, Yea I know I had decided to come off the induction diet this morning as I have been on it two weeks! However since this morning I have decided to continue it again

[maysea]

Skyhawk747 sorry i thought you were eating that on 20 carbs aday :geek

[Nutri_Nut]

This diet is not for everyone. It works well for those whose body chemistry is suited for this type of weight loss. I have known of others who could not lose weight or even get into ketosis on Atkins; however, they were certainly following the plan. You have to find what works for you.

[Skyhawk747]

This diet is not for everyone. It works well for those whose body chemistry is suited for this type of weight loss. I have known of others who could not lose weight or even get into ketosis on Atkins; however, they were certainly following the plan. You have to find what works for you.

Thanks haha That's really made my day!

[spirittalker]

Skyhawk, again I must say maybe you just have hit this limit because you are not overweight and that you are pushing your body to be something it's not. I do not know you are see your body or have the information your physician has given you, but you may want to think about it. Just a thought. Best of luck.

[sadie147]

BTW - I noticed you ate a cup of Alpen this morning - about 75% carbohydrates :yikes I hate to think what that will do to your ratios today!

Yea after 2 weeks of the induction diet I decided a change of plan and I was gonna try 40 gms of carbs a day to see if I this OWL diet works better! The Alpen I had worked out at 30 odd gms. the rest will be in veggies today. However I have decided to stick with the induction diet for one more week so this was a minor 'Glitch'

I spoke with a fitness instructor today and he told me that even though I only ate 1500 calories yesterday I actually ate 5 times and that the body wotn go into famine mode. He implies that I should be in calories eaten/expended deficit and that should relate to weight loss. Apparently eating infrequently and or starvation causes famine mode not eating little 5 - 6 times daily.

However here is the interesting point, when I started the induction diet 2 weeks ago I did not go to the gym at all that week and I ate on average 1400 - 1600 cals a day and in that week I lost 4.5 lbs. When I got back, stuck to the same diet and then started in the gym again I gained weight (was not muscle increase but fat)

I am of the theory that maybe just maybe the body was happy with no exercise and 1500 cals a day - it was a reasonable calorie deficit and the body was happy to give up the weight. When I started the exercise again it put my body from say an 800 calorie defict a day to maybe 1200 - 1500 defict - maybe this triggered the body into thinking a famine was indeed taking place...

Any ideas?

Phil

You are not eating enough.

if your body was losing at 1500 a day, and you are now exercising, obviously you need to up your daily calorie intake.

Also judging by your stats i think maybe your body is just saying enough. It may be at it's idea weight.

[2big4mysize]

okay Phil your nutritional guru isn't telling you everything
First when you begin any weight loss program the human body uses its glycogen reserves which are stored with water about 3 pounds of water for every pound of glycogen. That is the rapid lose you get on any weight loss program.
next you start burning your body fat. body fat is a large bulky molecule that isn't stored with water for rapid usage like glycogen is.

When the human body begins a new exercise program the muslce tissues because of our genetics thinks you were under attack or in danger to be torturing them like that so they super hydrate and add several pounds ofr fluid to themselves so they are ready for the next attack. Once your muscles learn this is the new normal load they will release that fluid and your weigfht will drop again.

Yes eating small meals will increase metabolisn as when we eat our brain preps our bodies for the food coming in and metabolism is increased slightly every time.

Owl is not about adding any carb you want. it too has tules for what carbs go where. There is a lovely carbohydrate ladder witht he food groups to beadded ranked by GI and more of those induction veggies is the first additon,. Grains arethe last so get out your DANDR and read Chapter 14 read the OWL stickies and give your Atkisn a real chance to show you how well it can work.

You did not ad those excess pounds in 3 weeks and you will not shed them in that short a period of time either. Work your Atkins and it will work for you. Happy low carbing.

[bizzlekitty]

Skyhawk, again I must say maybe you just have hit this limit because you are not overweight and that you are pushing your body to be something it's not. I do not know you are see your body or have the information your physician has given you, but you may want to think about it. Just a thought. Best of luck.

I second this. I entered your numbers into a Body Mass Index calculator and your BMI is around 22, which is a healthy range. You may not be able to lose alot of weight on Atkins, but if you want to, you may need to be pretty strict and careful on what you do (follow the good advice here too). You might also get better success with higher rungs of OWL in addition to exercise target areas where you wish to trim off the fat by building/toning muscle.

Just curious, but what is your goal weight? If you are just going for weight loss, you might not lose if you do not have alot of fat to lose. You will actually gain if you are exercising especially with weights, since you will be building muscle, which weighs more than fat.

[Skyhawk747]

Just curious, but what is your goal weight? If you are just going for weight loss, you might not lose if you do not have alot of fat to lose. You will actually gain if you are exercising especially with weights, since you will be building muscle, which weighs more than fat.

its about 127 - 128lbs Like I have said I get my muscle mass and body fat measured regular and I am not putting on muscle! I know 22 BMI looks healthy but I do have love handles and I am trying to trim up for a six pack. I still have a bit of fat around the belly! I wish I could paste a photo of me here but am not sure how!

Matter of fact I have strayed way off the Atkins path - Today I got so depressed with it all I gorged on a big packet of liquorice and chocolates

[Peytonn]

to put your picture up.. take a pic.. then upload it from your computer to some host site (I like photobucket,, it's free and easy)

https://www.photobucket.com

once you send your picture to photobucket... you will have a URL link.. just paste that...

(to post your picture you click on the Img thingy up there.... paste the url you copied from photobucket after you uploaded your pic, then click the Img thing again at the end...

then post your reply... and VOIla! there's a picture!

[bizzlekitty]

its about 127 - 128lbs Like I have said I get my muscle mass and body fat measured regular and I am not putting on muscle! I know 22 BMI looks healthy but I do have love handles and I am trying to trim up for a six pack. I still have a bit of fat around the belly! I wish I could paste a photo of me here but am not sure how!

Matter of fact I have strayed way off the Atkins path - Today I got so depressed with it all I gorged on a big packet of liquorice and chocolates

You're pretty close to goal then, and it can take some time (more than 2 weeks!) to lose those 5-10 lbs. A friend of mine took 3 months to lose the last 5 lbs to reach her goal.

I'd say be patient and try to be strict and careful and do everything right and see what happens. And drink some extra water and do a strict induction for a few days to help deal with that candy!

You might also try going from Induction and up the levels of OWL (see the OWL forum) to see if this helps you work off those last 5-10 lbs.

Good luck and hope to see some pictures soon!