What do you consider a frankenfood

[earlychildhoodeducator]

A low carb tortilla that is using aprotein isolate as the flour instead of wheat carbohydrates does not fit the frankenfoods definition nor does the Hood Carb Countdown Milk. there are no carbs not counted other then fiber in either of those foods.

Just curious- would you consider that new Dreams Field pasta a frankenfood (at the correct rung of course) Is it made with the same stuff you mentioned in the low carb tortillas? That one really threw me when I saw in the the store urplequ:

[MotherOfGizmo]

The real count of the total carbs in that Dreamfields pasta makes me very leary of even trying it. :yes They made up their own formula for how to count carbs, I just don't buy into their theory.

[earlychildhoodeducator]

that's exactly what I was thinking. I mean if the carb count is really as low as they say, could you imagine the possibilies? They'd made billions?

[2big4mysize]

Actualy if you carfeully read that ingredients list you will see it is not the same ingredients in the pasta as in the tortilla.
All the tortilla makes did was sub Soy Protein isolate for the corn or wheat flower in the recipe. We all so that in making low carb flax muffins any protein isolate has had all the carbs removed and is a pure protein compound.

what Dreamsfield did was use soluble fibers/protein isolate matrix to "escort" the included carbs and since soluble fibers sit in the belly longer there isn't a blood sugar spike 30 or 60 min afterwards so they say it is low impact. Muelers uses the same stuff in their lower carb pasta and it is 19 net carbs for them. total minuse fiber only. The Dreamsfield pasta gives a later impact on the blood sugar several hours.

[Peytonn]

If i get yelled at or feel guilty for eating it.. then it's a frankenfood.

[selfxuntitled]

My definition of Frankenfood: Any food not specifically listed on the Acceptable Foods for Induction/OWL lists. No double standards, here.



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what is vinegar under?

[Perry]

Most vinegars are safe for all phases. The exception is Balsamic vinegar which contains sugar.

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=68132

For salad dressing, use oil and vinegar (but not balsamic vinegar, which contains sugar) or lemon juice and herbs and spices. Prepared salad dressings without added sugar and no more than two carbs per tablespoon serving are also fine.

[Heidi3]

Re: What do you consider a frankenfood

I understand the need to do a clean induction free from anything but whole foods, and to add foods back in an organized manner. But to see posts loaded with such hatred towards these foods in one forum (IE Induction), then another post praising them in another forum (ie OWL) often by the same poster. This just smacks of hypocrasy and hyperbole. It makes the posts against the frankenfoods seem like propaganda.

So I guess my question is, are these LC produts (ie the tortillas, milk, carbquik etc) NOT considered frankenfoods? I'd certinaly consider them frankenfoods! Or is it only produtcs with sugar alcohols that given such dubious status? And if they are, why the double standard?

Most people use the term frankenfood as any highly processed, artificial food. For example, Cheez Whiz is a frankenfood. I can't speak for anyone else but I typically use the term "Frankenfood" to describe the bars and shakes.

As for Induction versus OWL and the low carb products, well, quite frankly, some products aren't acceptable for Induction because they contain ingredients not on the Induction acceptable foods list nor comply with the Induction Rules. For example, low carb tortillas typically contain wheat flour. Grains, including their flours, are not allowed during Induction. However, grains can be included during the grain rung of OWL. Some low carb products contain fruit. Again, the only fruit allowed during Induction are the "vegetable-fruits" like avocadoes, olives, eggplant, tomatoes, etc. But fruit like berries and apples are not allowed during Induction.

What it boils down to is if the food is acceptable for your particular phase of Atkins. I can "legally" eat potatoes and carrots because these foods are "legal" for my phase of Atkins (starchy veggie rung of OWL). Likewise, I can eat blackberries, apples, oranges, pineapples and other foods because they are "legal" for my phase of Atkins. During Induction I couldn't eat them because they were not appropriate for the Induction phase.

That's why the OWL board was born---because that phase is different from Induction in terms of food choices and carb levels. When I joined ADBB, there was only this general board and the Induction board to discuss Atkins. The OWL folks had no where to post specifics to their phase and even if they did identify that they were on OWL, newbies reading their posts would still post threads like "I thought carrots were not allowed but soandso posted they are eating carrots adn you guys didn't say they couldn't" or "why can soandso eat 30 net carbs daily? I thought we could only eat 20?".

The other thing is OWL is the time you can experiment with different foods to see how they affect your body. By the time you OWL, you are familiar with your body's weight loss pattern, your carb tolerance level and the signs of that your body isn't responding well to a food, you can tell if a food is affecting you and you know from following the OWL rules that you need to drop that food.

So, to summarize the 'legality' of the low carb foods depends on your phase of Atkins that's why some foods are treated much differently on the Induction and OWL boards.

I hope tht clears up any confusion for you.

:clapping :clapping :clapping this needs repeating I totally aggree with this!!!!! Cheez Whiz is a great example thanks Megs!!!!!!! why would anyone eat something called "WHIZ"??????????? Hello????????? buy super fresh close to the source.....and seasonally.... learn your list of foods for the level you are on stick to it and avoid any transfatty acids or hyper processed foods, if it comes from a package is in a shape, color or texture that was manufactured don't eat it...if you do no know what the word on the label means or can not pronounce it do eat it. If it says "artificial" do not eat it....if it says "natural flavors" that could be sugar do not eat it.....if it looks like a chemistry exam on the label do not eat it!!!!....good luck!!! and enjoy!!!