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[Perry]

You all make very good points. My ideal way of eating would be to include lean meats, veggies, some fruits (I only like strawberries!), and whole grains. I'm trying to find something that I can LIVE with forever, that is healthy and REALISTIC. When I can figure that out, I will have it made!! :nod

If this is your goal I don't see much Mexican food in your future.

[Nutri_Nut]

>>>>I'm sorry you never took the time to read the book, or you'd know lettuce is definitely acceptable on this way of eating. In fact, it's encouraged, in the form of 2-3 cups per day (acceptable induction veg. fare).

No wonder you were bored! >>>

Huh? I said I did read the book, and obviously I knew lettuce was acceptable because I got tired of eating taco salads (made with lettuce) minus the shell at Mexican restaurants.

I got bored because I couldn't eat tacos, burritos, tortilla chips, sandwiches, pasta, etc.

[penelope]

Yes, I have read the book AND I stayed on the Atkins WOE for over a year, although I stopped losing weight after five months. I tried to start and stay on Atkins three times in the past four months, but this WOE is unrealistic, restrictive, and boring to me. We enjoy Mexican food, and I got tired of eating taco salads with no lettuce every time we went out to a Mexican restaurant. Well, I did not intend to get on a soap box. The bottom line is that strictly following this WOE is not for me.

i think there was a misunderstanding there ensive
I hope you find something that works for you. I just had wanted to point out how these studies can be misleading. I do a modified version of Atkins myself and it works for me. That is really all that matters. Stay healthy whatever way you feel comfortable, atkins or not. Good luck!

[Perry]

We enjoy Mexican food, and I got tired of eating taco salads with no lettuce every time we went out to a Mexican restaurant.

Maybe Cleo was referencing this statement.

[cleochatra]

Your post confused me, then, because it read as though you couldn't have lettuce (ETA as penelope and bob pointed out).

The other confusing issue for me is this comment you've made as well.

My ideal way of eating would be to include lean meats, veggies, some fruits (I only like strawberries!), and whole grains. I'm trying to find something that I can LIVE with forever, that is healthy and REALISTIC.

After reading the book, you'd also know that this is the Atkins plan on OWL, especially as you near lifetime maintenance. I understand there's so much to learn from the book, and we all flub from time to time, so it's no big.

I think sometimes people want this diet to be all about them eating the stuff that made their thighs bubble out to record size but they want the laws of physics to magically reverse.

LOL.

Trust me-- if there was such a way of eating that was that good, we'd be a thinner nation.

And, yes, I'll be the first to say "Wah! I want Diet Coke!" Trust me. I hate not being able to have it. But I'm not going to down Atkins because it's an inconvenience that I can't have what I want.

You know getting what you want is about a little bit of sacrifice. For me, it's giving up pizza and diet Coke. For you, it's those delish taco bowls, perhaps. Still, those taco bowls and those pizzas aren't low-fat.

The later phases of Atkins tend to be low-fat. And that's ok, because by then we know what glycogen levels are in the foods we're eating, and we know more about those foods we have sensitivities to.

And it could be that those foods you crave most are the ones you have the sensitivity for the most and should not have at all because your body reacts badly to it. For me it's flour. For you it might be corn (which could be why you crave it so much in mexican food products).

Anyway, I'm rambling aren't I? Nutri, I respect you and want you to do what is right for you.

I hope you don't think I'm picking on you. I just want to wish you well on whichever way of eating you do plan to follow. I know that you will succeed!

Best wishes. Sorry for the ramble.

Jamie

[cleochatra]

I was, bob. Thank you. My apologies for not referencing the quote precisely. It must have been a typographical error on nutri's part if she says she didn't mean to say that? It happens!

The other part I did reference, however, as being from her post so as to remove any further confusion.

J~

[Nutri_Nut]

Oh! I meant taco salads with NO SHELL. My brain must have been turned off. Sorry.

When I started adding whole grains back, I started gaining. I don't want to live on plain meats and veggies all my life. I may not be model thin, but I can deal with that now because I know that character is really what life is all about, not physical beauty. I am healthy at my current weight. Eating low-carb was such a stressful situation in my life. It caused all kinds of problems, so it was not worth it to me.

I support those who want to eat this way and continue to fight against the misinformation out there about Atkins. I just can't eat this way myself.

Best wishes, everyone.

[ttdriver]

Eating low-carb was such a stressful situation in my life. It caused all kinds of problems, so it was not worth it to me.

HUH? What's stressful about meat, veggies, fruits, and whole grains? I'm sorry, but I'm confused.

Betty

[Isabeau]

At the end of the day you have to do what's right for you. Good luck on your journey.

[Nutri_Nut]

ttdriver - Do you travel? Have you ever taken a trip with your family or friends who do not eat the way you do and try to find a restaurant where you can order something? Do friends who do not eat the way you do invite you to their home for a meal? Do friends invite you to restaurants to eat where all you can ever eat is a salad...over and over and over again?

Have you ever been sick or had surgery and a group of friends or church members take turns bringing you food - and they don't cook low-carb (and it would be rude to dictate what your help brings)?

[sadie147]

ttdriver - Do you travel? Have you ever taken a trip with your family or friends who do not eat the way you do and try to find a restaurant where you can order something? Do friends who do not eat the way you do invite you to their home for a meal? Do friends invite you to restaurants to eat where all you can ever eat is a salad...over and over and over again?

Have you ever been sick or had surgery and a group of friends or church members take turns bringing you food - and they don't cook low-carb (and it would be rude to dictate what your help brings)?

Hmmm and what if you are on a low fat diet and these 'helpers' bring high fat food? casseroles or lasanga's smothered with cheese etc? isn't it the same thing? I see absolutely nothing wrong with telling people that you do not eat sugars starches pastas, it is not just about your weight..it is also about good health.

Yes I have travelled, yes I go to friends homes, Yes i eat at restaurants (and never order salad btw). It's just as easy to eat at any of these places low carb as it is low fat? I haven't been at a restaurant or a home yet where i haven't been able to have a great meal. As a matter of fact as far as restaurants go..I find it easier. When I ate low fat all I ate was salads, now i have lean meats and veggies or omlettes etc.

I can see you have made up your mind..and I do wish you all the best..what works for one person doesn't always work for another. Good luck!

[G-Mom]

ttdriver - Do you travel? Have you ever taken a trip with your family or friends who do not eat the way you do and try to find a restaurant where you can order something? Do friends who do not eat the way you do invite you to their home for a meal? Do friends invite you to restaurants to eat where all you can ever eat is a salad...over and over and over again?

Have you ever been sick or had surgery and a group of friends or church members take turns bringing you food - and they don't cook low-carb (and it would be rude to dictate what your help brings)?

In my experience, and I have plenty with Atkins, eating out on low carb is above and beyond easier than low fat. You say salads are ALL you can eat on low carb -- hogwash!! What about steak and veggies or chicken fried in olive oil with veggies, baked fish, hickory smoked pork, beef, chicken, etc. I think you get the drift.

Now on low-fat, which honestly, I really don't think, by your conflicting posts, you really want to go on, what can you order? Oh, yes, SALADS with low-fat dressing (yuck) and leave off those croutons please (they are loaded with fat). You could also have chicken breast (no oil), butterless veggies and a plain baked potato (oh yummy give me more!).

Do you get my drift here? Low-fat is what is BORING and tasteless, not to mention fails to fill you up.

Now about that study. Was the study based on high carb AND high fat diet as compared to a low fat diet plus high carb? There is a world of difference between high carb/high fat and low carb/high fat! Until the study looks into the effects of low carb/high fat on cancer, then I would not just dismiss Atkins.

My advice to you is go on the pre-maintenance phase of Atkins for awhile then maintenance. You will get your carbs up, but not gain all the weight back you lost. You simply can't eat loads of empty white flour, corn and sugar carbs and expect to feel good and look good. And I can assure you that you won't increase your chances of remaining cancer-free either.

[2big4mysize]

if you climbed the ladder to the grains area then you should have been at a lower fat Atkins area of the phase. DId you stop and check to see if you were having a gluten reaction to the grains themselves? You had already added back fruits, nuts, seeds, veggies, starchy veggies and legumes. the only food at the mexican resturants you couldn't have were the flour tortillas and the sugar laddened deserts.

[Nutri_Nut]

[Yes i eat at restaurants (and never order salad btw)]

Sure, I could order the more expensive meals at restaurants ($10 +). That's the only option if you don't order a salad.

At a fast food restaurant, your choices are sandwich with no bread (not very filling) or .....salads.[/quote]

[Nutri_Nut]

>>>What about steak and veggies or chicken fried in olive oil with veggies, baked fish, hickory smoked pork, beef, chicken, etc. I think you get the drift>>>

At a sit-down restaurant, these dinners are the most expensive. The only other option is salads.

No, I don't want to eat low-fat. And you bring up a good point that I had not thought about - the "high fat" diets probably consisted of high carbs as well. Thanks for pointing that out.

I am eating whole grains (i.e., bowl of oatmeal for breakfast), veggies and protein and I cannot maintain my weight. I continue to gain. It's rather pathetic :anger

Atkins is the ONLY "diet" that has worked for me without causing me to starve to death. I wish I could do it, but it's nearly impossible.

We are preparing to go on vacation. At the hotel, a high-carb breakfast will be provided. My options are to go without breakfast, inconvenience the family by having to run to a fast food place where I can order eggs, or buy a cooler, take time to go to the store to get something, and cart the thing around. All of these situations are STRESSFUL to the family, and I refuse to put everyone through this just so I can lose weight. The stress is going to kill me before my weight does!

I've already gained all but ten pounds of my lost weight back.

Why can't I eat corn? Is corn meal not a whole grain?

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