The origin of HIV and AID?

[lots2lose]

Hey everyone,I hope this doesn't become controversial or upset anyone.If it does,I apologize waaaay in advance and will promoptly remove this post.

You see,I've always been very curious about HIV and AIDs,mostly because it is so scary to me,and also becuase it seems like I have never really learned much from the mainstream media except that it was created in Africa and somehow ended up in a gay man.I know there are a lot of very educated people on this board(2Big to name one ),What I'm curious to know is what are your thoughts on the origin of it.It seems that the more research I do,the more fingers are pointed towards the fact that it's a biologically engineered virus.This blows my mind and scares the living daylights out of me.Please let me know your thoughts. This is an article I found by accident when I was doing some research on it.It's pretty long but read it if you can.Thanx all and like I said,if it's too much controversy I will remove this post in the blink of an eye.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...estruction.htm

[Iapetus999]

Re: The origin of HIV and AID?

I once met a man who was a paranoid schizophrenic who told me that WHO developed it.

I asked him why.

He replied, "because they're evil."

25 years ago we didn't have the technology to do this anyways.
Apparently there's one gene in monkeys that's different in humans that allows HIV to progress to AIDS. We basically got the disease from monkeys...we get diseases from animals all the time (malaria, Lyme, bird flu, West Nile) so it's not improbable.
Just google "HIV origin" and you'll get tons of material.

[Desertthorn]

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Why is it so hard to believe that AIDs came from a monkey. Do you believe that Malaria comes from mosquitoes? plague came from rats, and now we are being told we have a panepidemic of flu coming from chicken. Thats the way virus spread my friend and I have yet to hear about a man made virus. That would be very cool, because if we could learn to produce a virus, we could then learn to destroy a virus. (Something we have yet to do)

[DebbieY]

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I had a Biology class in college which dedicated 1/4 of the class to the discussion of AIDS. It scared almost everyone in the class. I think the clinic on campus was overrun with kids getting anonymous AIDS testing. I have to say that I was one of the many.

After getting the blood test, I had to wait a week before going back in for the results. I had a huge bruise where they took the blood and my imagination was running wild. After the week of waiting, I waited in the room for the nurse. When she came in, she asked me to have a seat. I told her I was fine and she said that I really "must sit down." Okay. Then she started to tell me that just because a person is HIV + it does not mean that they have AIDS and they can continue to have a normal life. The color was draining out of my face around this time. I finally asked, "So, I'm positive?" And she replied "Oh no, your negative." I think I could have wrapped my hands around her throat right then and there after what she just put me through.


I personally think everyone should be tested if they have ever had unprotected sex or shared needles. You never know.


But, to answer your question, I can't find my booklet that I received in college, but I found these links that may be able to help you - http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/origin.html and http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/15476-1.asp


Although while searching for sites, I did find one out there in which the girl asked who was the first person to have sex with the monkey with AIDS. I really hope she wasn't serious as to how AIDS came around, but you never know.

[natureboy]

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I have never seen a shred of evidence that shows that aids was man made and even in the articles you showed the people are saying they only have a hunch that it was man made.

If you go to this site which deals with debunking urban legends you will see that the man made theory had been aronund for a long time but it always ends up being just a virus that can spread from monkey to man.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/aids.asp

[lots2lose]

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I agree with everyone that posted,I just always wondered how the virus jumped from an animal to a human and the human just happened to be a homsexual,it always seemed to simple an explanation to me.My post was not to suggest that AIDS is a manmade disease,because as far as I knew and know,it wasn't.It was while I was doing research on it that I came across these new findings.I still have yet to see how AIDS started in Africa and the first people for the virus to jump to were homesexuals who did not even contract it through sexual intercourse,but apparently through using intravenous drugs.

[FightingTheFight]

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Well the good news is that it is really preventable. Definitley not something I ever worry about.

[not2late]

Re: The origin of HIV and AID?

AIDS-like diseases have been around for a while. IIRC, it was orginally called "HTLV" (Human T-Lymphotrophic Virus) and there were HTLV-I and HTLV-II. I don't know if it was "manufactured" or if it was only recognized as a disease due to 1. the current technology that enables doctors to keep people alive longer or 2. the current technology that enables researchers to give things like that a name. I once worked for an old pediatrician who told me this interesting story. Anyhow, when my old boss was a young doctor (in the 1940s), he had a patient who had an unexplained disease. The child eventually died, in spite of what they did for that child. He never forgot that child. In the late 1960s, he read an article in one of his medical journals describing a new disease. It was called Kawasaki's disease---and his patient who died 20 years before had all the signs and symptoms of this "new" disease described in that medical journal.

But what it interesting is that researchers found that some descendants of people who survived the Plague have an antibody that prevents HIV from infecting cells.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/

That's fascinating because the Plague wasn't "man-made", yet there was a genetic variant that allowed some people to survive the Plague (and maybe other diseases like the Plague). Clearly, these Plague survivors inherited that gene variant from their ancestors--which explains why the Plague and similar diseases never "totally" wiped out populations in areas where Plague was relatively common.

This phenomenon makes me wonder, if AIDS is "man-made", then why would a centuries old (maybe even eons old) genetic trait block it? I mean if it were "completely new", then it would take generations for a gene mutation to be effective against it---sort of like the malaria protection of sickle cell trait.

Just a thought......

[FightingTheFight]

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I never believed it was man made, That seems to come mainly from the "Tin hat" crowd. Same people who worry about the skulls and Area 51.

[Heidi3]

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I never believed it was man made, That seems to come mainly from the "Tin hat" crowd. Same people who worry about the skulls and Area 51.

I was totally geared to bust your balls but all I can do is laugh at this!!!!!......omg

[lots2lose]

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Well the good news is that it is really preventable. Definitley not something I ever worry about.

lol wait fighting the fight what do you mean by that?That AIDS is preventable?DO you mean in terms of using rubbers or abstaining from sex ect?

[Heidi3]

Re: The origin of HIV and AID?

lol wait fighting the fight what do you mean by that?That AIDS is preventable?DO you mean in terms of using rubbers or abstaining from sex ect?

he has elluded to no sex or some kind of invisable shield in the past who really knows...

[lots2lose]

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lol hahaha

[natureboy]

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I agree with everyone that posted,I just always wondered how the virus jumped from an animal to a human and the human just happened to be a homsexual,it always seemed to simple an explanation to me.My post was not to suggest that AIDS is a manmade disease,because as far as I knew and know,it wasn't.It was while I was doing research on it that I came across these new findings.I still have yet to see how AIDS started in Africa and the first people for the virus to jump to were homesexuals who did not even contract it through sexual intercourse,but apparently through using intravenous drugs.

I think I see what you are saying now. The whole misconception started when the CDC decided that they had found patient zero or the first person to get the disease. That was just a bunch of BS and was proven wrong when they started finding cases that were much older than patient zeros. So you do have a point about it may or may not have started in Africa, but the main point I think is that it is a cross strain from an animal to man.

As far as it being to simple an explanation that the first person was homesexual well that one is kind of easy to explain. People lie! So the first person that might have gotten the disease could have been heterosexual for the most part but for some reason he had sex with the monkey. Who is to say but the main thing is that people will lie and I doubt that if I were from a very male oriented coutry I would want to go to my grave with people thinking I was gay. I think most of the articles written about it that are not scientific journals are just conjecture and speculation so don't read to much into what they say..People LIe.

[Piasabird]

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he has elluded to no sex or some kind of invisable shield in the past who really knows...

Tisk Tisk That's not fair ......... or very nice.

I watched a documentary once that speculates that the AIDS virus was originally spread through polio vaccines. It was based on a book titled, "The River: A Journey Back to the Source of HIV and AIDS." Polio vaccines were made from the kidneys of monkeys. One of the doctors, Dr. Hilary Koprowski, made his vaccine from the kidneys of a different type of monkey than the other doctors and his vaccine was tested in the Congo during the early 50's.

This link talks about it: http://www.cbc.ca/witness/originsofaids/polio.html

And to be fair, here is a copy of a letter that Dr. Koprowski sent in his defense, disputing the theory that he is the father of the AIDS virus. http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmart...prowski92.html

It's kind of an interesting theory.