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    Men to Come to Work in a Dress and to Shower with Female Co-Workers



    HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania, August 16, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A Pennsylvania court has opened the door for men who believe they are women to come to work in a dress and to use the women’s restroom and shower facilities. The decision by the Commonwealth Court, which upheld a lower court ruling mandating that “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” be added to the Allentown (Pennsylvania) human relations ordinance, is being decried as an “outrage” by a traditional values group.

    According to the American Family Association of Pennsylvania (AFA of PA), this is not something that the majority of citizens in Allentown want and is additional evidence of judicial activism, as state law does not extend this type of special protection to homosexuals.

    Diane Gramley, president of the AFA of PA in a release stated, “Gone unreported in media stories today are the acts of intimidation and harassment on the part of homosexual activists while concerned citizens in Allentown attempted to circulate and/or sign petitions the summer of 2002 after the City Council effectively pushed the ordinance changes through in April of that year…These concerned citizens simply wanted an opportunity to place the matter before all the voters in Allentown to see if the city council-approved language was what the people really wanted. Homosexual activists knew that if the people had a chance to vote the ordinance changes would be removed. I believe the majority of Allentown citizens still oppose the ordinance.”

    In May 2003, Teamsters Union Local 773 forced Carbon County to reinstate a transgender prison guard because of Allentown’s addition of “gender identity” to its human relations ordinance. “This was a message to all those who do business with companies and organizations based in Allentown: Your business dealings will be directly affected by the addition of ‘sexual orientation’ and ‘gender identity’ to Allentown’s Human Relations Ordinance,” the AFA release explained. “Does the Carbon County prison still have a man dressed as a woman guard? How many strip searches of female inmates has he conducted?”

    “The Commonwealth court ruling said cities have broad latitude to take steps to protect the health, safety and welfare of their citizens,” Gramley stated. “Extending special protections to homosexuals will not accomplish either as according to the CDC, 2 out of 3 cases of AIDS are men who have sex with men, 1out of 5 male homosexuals are victims of same-sex domestic violence and those involved in homosexual activity are more prone to substance abuse, eating and psychological disorders. This is not the direction a city would want to take to protect its citizens.”

    “’Gender Identity’ as defined in the ordinance opens all sorts of doors for radical transsexuals,” the AFA release continued. “Even openly homosexual Congressman Barney Frank opposes such language because he knows so-called ‘transgender’ activists will use that language to literally demand that men who believe they're women be allowed to use women's restrooms and showers.”

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    I'm surprised that none of the women here have commented on how they feel about sharing the ladies room with men in dresses!


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      I've already done it at the mall, the club, and the YMCA several times. LOL Honestly- for the most part, it doesn't really bother me.

      I'm not so sure about the whole showering thing - but then our YMCA has shower stalls anyway. <shrug>

      Maybe I'm a bit too liberal for my own good, but I can't really imagine the vast majority of men would use something like this as a way to get a look at my hooters or hoo-hoo. ROFLMAO

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        There used to be a guy at my work that would be undergoing a sex change He had to live 'as a woman' before the sugery would be done, for at least a year. or so i was told anyway. He dressed as a woman every day, and changed his name to just his initials of his first and middle names, so it wasn't gender specific. took a little getting used to at first, but we all got used to it.

        As for the shower/ bathroom thing? i'm not too crazy about htat idea..unless they've already had 'the surgery'. the guy at my work had to use the handicapped bathroom, it is a single bathroom which is not gender specific since it's private. i'm not sure however if this was his decision, or HR's.

        I don't think i'd be too crazy about sharing the showers...but then, I don't think the men would be either. that's a tough call!
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          I don't care about what they wear in the office or anywhere for that matter, but I would NOT want to have to share the restroom with anyone with male anatomy thank you very much! Not only do I think this opens the door for weirdos to legally hang out in women's restrooms, but what about them peeing on the seat! EWWWW They may have to go to restrooms that are only for one person at a time instead of the way most offices are now where there are stalls that can easily be peeped into! And the shower thing-furgettaboutit!


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            Originally posted by MotherOfGizmo
            I don't care about what they wear in the office or anywhere for that matter, but I would NOT want to have to share the restroom with anyone with male anatomy thank you very much! Not only do I think this opens the door for weirdos to legally hang out in women's restrooms, but what about them peeing on the seat! EWWWW They may have to go to restrooms that are only for one person at a time instead of the way most offices are now where there are stalls that can easily be peeped into! And the shower thing-furgettaboutit!
            Ha! the peeing on the seat thing hadn't occurred to me! LOL

            yeah in my situation this just happened to work out ok since there was a separate 1 stall bathroom. but most places don't have that


            I wouldn't even shower at teh gym with other women actually, my gym at work luckily had separate stalls, i even brought my clothes into mine LOL. so the shower thing for me is definately out!

            o/t I used to hate how women at work would walk around talking to each other naked in teh change room, then half an hour later i'd have to sit in a meeting with them. was very weird...well for me anyway
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              Yea, I like to keep my nakedness to myself and I wish everybody else would do the same thank you! I can definatley relate to what you are saying Jenn!


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                where do you FIND this stuff??¿¿

                gosh... it's gotten crazy....... everybody's got so many 'rights' now.....
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