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    I know there's a lot of personal issues and beliefs we all have in different situations, but when we try to instill these into our children and then hope they are able to go out into the world well educated with an understanding why we believe in what we believe and then they are able to stand up for these beliefs with approval, it just makes parenting a whole lot easier.

    As a family concern and personal belief we do not participate in Halloween nor allow our girls to read Harry Potter. We don't stand on the street corners and tell eveyone they shouldn't either, because quite frankly, this is still America and freedom of speech and religion is still available last I knew and nobody can say who's right and who's wrong. Anyways....

    My oldest daughter, Sarah, 10, has a teacher neither one of us were sure we'd get along with at the beginning of the year. I recall me posting that it was like going into "bootcamp" for 4th graders.

    Well, said teacher reads a book a few minutes before school lets out to the children every day. No problem here. However, said teacher informs the kids they would be listening to her read Harry Potter the weeks before Halloween. Of course Sarah comes home and shares this with me and we have a talk about how she feels about it and go into our personal reasons why its not appropriate for our family. In any case, she gets the point and is left with the responsibility to inform the teacher in a polite, respectful manner, away from the other students, that she is not allowed to read, listen or watch Harry Potter because of the reasons we talked about.

    On monday, Sarah was able to do exactly everything. She talked to the teacher aside and told her our family rules to the teacher. Sarah said the teacher was very nice and allowed Sarah to go out into the hall, which is also the middle learning center for the 3rd & 4th graders, to read her A/R book (accelerated reading) for her personal points ladder of reading.

    The point? The teacher said yes to an alternative and was willing to give Sarah grace with no hard problems or issues and allowed her the freedom to express herself and chose that alternative.

    At this point I'm soo thrilled and beaming with delight that there is a glimmer of hope we did something right in the parenting department in the last 10 years along with having a great feeling the drill sargeant we thought we were getting at the beginning of the year actually turned into a wonderful teacher.

    Thanks for reading. It's been a long week, but a proud one

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    woo hoo for you Sarah and the teacher!

    i hope you have followed up with a note to the teacher expressing your concernes about the book and how you wanted to allow your child to handle it herself and how you appreciate the way the teacher respected Sarah's beliefs and the results!
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    • #3
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      Thanks, (((2big))).

      You know, I hadn't even thought about sending a note of appreciation to the teacher. Thanks you for reminding me to do so since that would be of a great assurance for the teacher to know she's appreciated by not only Sarah but by us parents.

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      • #4
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        I'm curious now. What if they have a little halloween party with cookies and juice. Do you make your children go sit in the hall and not participate?


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        • #5
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          Ahhhh. Small steps that equal large smiles.

          I'm glad it all worked out, Lisa! Sounds like you've got a great kid there who was able to address it on her own - not that that surprises me. Look at who her mom is!

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          • #6
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            you are welcome. now quick start studying for your next math test so it will not be a night before cram job hehe
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              (((Brook))) lol. One thing for sure, my girls are learning how to speak up...respectfully of course.lol. The one time my kid gets called into the office for speaking her mind, they'll have a lot on their hands because I'll be backing her up.

              ((2big))...lol....math. yuck. lol.

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              • #8
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                As a family concern and personal belief we do not participate in Halloween nor allow our girls to read Harry Potter.
                Good for you....
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                • #9
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                  Oh Lisa, I am so happy for you. A good teacher is hard to find. That is one of the conflicts going on for us right now. I took the time to meet with all the teachers and explain our families non-celebration of Halloween for religous reasons, and would that be a problem?

                  The afterschool daycare blew me off, because I am in, and I quote "such a minority that they dont have to accommodate me. Besides, we've been doing it this way for 30 years". As a former site director for one of the largest, and leading edge, youth programs in the country, i was blown away. They didnt even listen, they just blew me off. My kids could sit at another table, for a month, and color. Everything they do is Halloween, and we could just deal with it. THis is a city funded program, and this is absolutely contrary to the most current quality and programming standards. As a result, I can no longer take temp jobs while waiting to move back to AZ and have no income, because they feel they must indoctrinate my children in vampires, witches, goblins and such, regardless of our religion.

                  The school listened politely, assured me that all of the activies were simply fall themed, and a week later my kindergartner came home with two new poems to learn, and two new songs, all about Halloween. My second and first grader will both need to be out of school the Thurs/Fri before, becasue these are actually going to be Halloween themed days. At least they warned me.
                  I dont understand why kids need to get this at school. If a family celebrates it at home, that is personal. I dont send my kids to school for celebratory day indoctrination, I send them for reading, writing, mathematics and other academic pursuits. Upon being told that since so many families do celebrate Halloween, it was a matter of respecting what they believe, I asked if I might, as a balance, then, present to the classes what we believe about Halloween. I asked, if, at Christmas, I might come in to present our families views and beliefs on Christmas and likewise at Easter. I asked if a Jewish family would also be allowed to present on Channakuh, and a Muslim family on Ramadan (sp?). I wondered if a wiccan or pagan might be brought in to teach about the solstice. OF COURSE NOT... that would be teaching religion. (and I would be opposed to ANY of these, families should be teaching belief systems at home). Would a class have sausage week, if there were a Jewish or Hindu child in it? Well, no, we would respect that. Then why, if my beliefs cant be presented, can they be countermanded to my children in a class room setting? Will he not learn to read, if he cant read about vampires? (Have I mentioned that I now have three kids in my bed at ngiht again wtih nightmares?)

                  ON a purely secular note, why do we teach kids all year long, to be yourself, dont talk to strangers, be polite, and eat healthy, then ONE NIGHT... disguise yourself, go to the doors of strangers, demand candy, and judge your success in how much candy you haul in?

                  I am SOOOO glad we will get to get out of the public school system once we get back to AZ. My tax dollars at work, teaching my kids things against our faith. Screwed twice.
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                  • #10
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                    It all seems so strange the feelings about Halloween. I can remember my shock when i taught my first K sunday school class since we had moved in when i was a teenager I had no idea what was about to transpire and I didn't teach halloween stuff that week. the kids came out of the other classrooms with halloween treats and drawings. I was shocked the church would allow that and I was told they don't know what it means and it is innocent fun by the sunday school director.
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                    • #11
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                      Halloween was originally a holiday set aside to honor the dead it is the eve of All Saints Day. I really don't understand how in some peoples minds it has become twisted into something its not. I'm so glad that my Catholic parents didn't prohit us from participating in the innocent fun of dressing up and "trick or treating" I can say personally, it did not lead to a life of devil worshiping and/or witch craft. Where has all the fun of being a child gone?

                      I think its great that your kid spoke up, but, is it her beliefs she's speaking out for? or yours? Does she think that all of her classmates are devil worshipers because they celebrate halloween? Is she afraid of everyone around her because you have taught her this?

                      I wish everyone would just lighten up a little.


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                      • #12
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                        Well, I commend you for being strong in that belief!

                        We "do" Halloween in the most minor way possible... which is dressing up as a princess or ballerina or other benign character and going to our church Trunk or Treat. They get candy and play in a bounce house or 10 and there are NO scary costumes allowed.

                        But I respect the "no way no how" viewpoint, because trust me, I've questioned going that route as well.

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                        • #13
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                          I really hadn't thought my post would become the "great debate" over my family's personal beliefs over Halloween . I'm very sorry if this has been viewed in that respect because it was not my intent whatsoever. Just as I stated in the very beginning of this post that I made...(see the beginning of my post)

                          That being said, I will say this:

                          WP~I so feel for you. We've had to take the same route you're going through with our oldest in her most formative years of explaining our Christian beliefs when she was in a Lutheran Preschool. I've learned through a wonderful woman, our pastor's wife back in Ohio, who taught me the fine art of dealing with the public school system...she's a teacher in the public school system too. We can't shelter our kids from the world, but we can arm them with our informative and educated beliefs as best we can and hope that we do the right thing. Along the way we make sure we teach our kids to be respectful by ourselves being respectful to others...any human would teach a child this, so it's only natural. I wish you the best in dealing with the school system. It does get better.

                          Mog~ Since you asked in a Public Forum, YES, we do teach our daughters about our beliefs based on the Hebrew Bible and the information we have learned about halloween, which includes the same information you've been brought up by your parents. Just as you were taught by your parents the Catholic beliefs, children of Jewish families learn from theirs, Hindu & Muslims learn from their's, so will our daughters learn our Christian beliefs.. It's part of being a parent to teach our kids what we believe and why.

                          NO, the girls are not afraid everyone is "devil" worshipers NOR are they afraid to be around these kids/people. That's not what we're teaching them. In short...we teach them that people have the right believe in different things, and we chose to not be a part of what we feel is right and just according to what we have learned and our beliefs. Just as you, others have the right to believe in halloween and saints.

                          Trust me, we're not trying to "suck the fun" out of seasonal influences...we'd just rather be more informative to our girls and share with them the truth, give them the tools to learn and be educated about things around them and be able to stand up for themselves or someone else. Wow! You're really not going to like me when it comes to Santa Claus and Christmas. lol.

                          Knowledge is power and the more information you find about something, the better understanding you'll have about why you believe in what you believe. The best example I can think of is why someone would believe that Atkins works.

                          Thanks for this thought provoking time!

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by mamakimberly
                            Well, I commend you for being strong in that belief!

                            We "do" Halloween in the most minor way possible... which is dressing up as a princess or ballerina or other benign character and going to our church Trunk or Treat. They get candy and play in a bounce house or 10 and there are NO scary costumes allowed.

                            But I respect the "no way no how" viewpoint, because trust me, I've questioned going that route as well.
                            Thanks, Wp..

                            Best wishes on your personal convictions. It's a choice that takes timing. lol. So far we've hit the right timing and fun alternative this year

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                              Wow! You're really not going to like me when it comes to Santa Claus and Christmas. lol.
                              We can have a club...
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                              Earth is crammed with heaven,
                              And every common bush afire with God,
                              But only he who sees, takes off his shoes.
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                              Get in the right veggies.

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