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    I'm not sure if i'm asking a question or if i'm just venting but I have to talk to someone.

    My brother USED to be a troublemaker. He was into drugs and always in trouble with the law and basically just floated through life without a care in the world - had a real attitude and cared about nothing. (A real @$$, some would say) Well he ended up marrying the girl next door who was also the same kind of person as he. When they got married, they started going to counseling (individually) and really liked that and really, REALLY turned there lives around. They became hard workers and very focused. Then she got pregnant and of course they both felt like the world was coming down on them. Well it turned out to be the best thing - they were headed in the right direction with things before but the baby just made it perfect. My brother loves his "little man" many than life itself. Now I know that couples have issues that they never talk about to anyone but between themselves but I never thought this would happen.

    Tuesday of last week I was at my parents house helping them with some stuff and my brother called over there and asked if I was going to stop over at his house (they are almost neighbors) and I told him I would be there in 15 minutes. I went to his house and as I was walking to the door my brother walked out on the porch and was bawling his eyes out and said "shes leaving" I was blown away and said let me talk to her - I went inside and asked her to come out and talk to me so little man wouldnt be hearing everything. I must have been outside with her for an hour and she was telling me that shes "not sure" how she feels about him anymore, she doesnt feel like shes herself anymore. I asked her if she was leaving and she opened the car and had all her clothes in there. She said she wanted billy (my brother) to get some help because he makes her feel like crap all the time. She said she would move out while he got help and then if he changed she would come back. I went inside and talked to my brother and told him everything she had said and he said he would go, he said he would do anything to make things OK even though he didnt think there was anything wrong with him. He went outside and talked to her and they came inside and asked me to talk to both of them together, so we all sat down. Billy promised Samantha he would call in the morning (it was 1am at this time) and make an appointment and if she wanted to leave while he did this then so be it, anything to make it work. She said no I will stay, they hugeed and I left...as I was leaving she came outside and hugged me and said thank you for talking to me. Well I thought everything was good now, wednesday went by and thursday came. While at work I got a call from Billy around 9am saying Samantha took the baby and shes gone. He was losing his mind! "what am I going to do without little man?" I tried to calm him down the best I could and told him I would call him later to check on him.

    No one heard anything throughout the day from her or knew where she was. Then she called my brother and said she was going to talk to someone at 5 and would be home after that to get all of her stuff, she was done. So my brother calls me and lets me know and doesnt know what to do with himself. I got off work and went to where she was going to see if I could talk to her before she went home and got her things. When she was finished she came out and got in my car and we talked for a while - she said she just told him everything was ok on tuesday so she could stop talking about it. But she was done, she said she didnt love him anymore and was leaving no matter what. I said thats obviously her choice but to tell him the truth, DONT string him along thinking that there is hope, he had counseling all set up but she already had her mind made. So that was thursday night - she went home got all of her stuff and told him she was leaving. My brother called my dad and then he called me and asked me to go to Billys house with him. I met him there and my dad talked to her to make sure this is what she really wanted because Billy cannot afford to keep the house and all the vehicles by himself. She said yes she was sure - my dad said 'you can look him in the eyes and say you dont want to spend another day with him' and she GIGGLED and said yes. My dad said ok just wanted to make sure. She got all her things and the baby and left. My brother stayed at his house that night.

    Friday came around and that morning he went to the bank and found that all of there money was gone. Checking, savings - all of it. He called my sister who works for a lawyer and wanted to see if he could come in just to talk about what his rights are. He went in found out everything he needed to know and that was that.

    I called off work friday so I could spend it with him because my parents were working and I didnt want him to be alone. He was drinking a little bit but I didnt think anything of it, he's not a drinker and never really has been - So I figured just let him if it will help him at that moment. Well he said he was going to take a nap and went into the room (he was in my parents house by this time) I watched TV and did some things around the house and it had been like 5 hours so I went in there to check on him and his lips here purple almost. I tried to wake him and he wouldnt. I got EXTREMELY upset and called 911 - they took him to the hospital. After everything they did for him and he was up I found out that he had taken some pills (alot) before drinking and he over dosed.

    He just kept repeating in the hospital "what am I going to do without little man?" and bawling his eyes out....

    I've been there and tried to do everything that I know of, and of course he's going to be upset about the situation but I just feel helpless. This situation has affected me severly (cannot stop crying, almost depressed-like, confused). And I know I should be upset for him, but I dont know what its hitting me this hard. I cant really describe how sad I feel. Im sad that she left him, Im sad that hes not going to be able to see little man whenever he wants, but I think im mostly sad because Im afraid he will go back to what he used to be. Im afraid this time he will take his life. His world is gone, no wife no son and everything he has worked for - his home, everything. I know things will get situated once a divorce is in process but until that time - I just dont know. He doesnt stop crying, he says his heart actually aches. He misses them so much and she couldnt care less. She knows what he did and that hes in the hospital and her response was "oh well, im done".

    She told me shes been unhappy for a while - I asked her if she ever told Billy and her response was "if your meant to be together, then he should be able to tell when there is something wrong". which could be true but you should be willing to work. How can you be with someone for over 5 years and just leave at the drop of a hat? without trying and without a care in the world?

    Like I said, Im not sure if i'm asking a question--or what! Any comments? Anything to help? I feel lost and not sure what to say or do. I dont want to give up on him (my parents are saying maybe he should be admitted into..ya know) and I dont think thats what he needs. I know thats not what he needs. But what can i DO? what should happen from here?

    I dont want anything to happen to him. And I know he cant be put away for a broken heart. I just dont know...

    Thanks.
    Krystle
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  • #2
    Re: Divorce

    Sorry for all that's going on. Honestly, from experience, I can say she probably has someone waiting in the wings to be with her. She's obviously had it planned for a while and it just all hit on that day. Checking and savings cleared out, all packed, etc...she's been planning this for a while, chickie.

    We're only seeing one side of the story and it's impossible to know what else was going on in their home.

    From your brother's side, he needs to document everything that's happened. What she took ($$ wise as well as items from the house), change his locks on his house, open up a new checking account without her name, if he has direct deposit, get it changed immediately, tell his employer NOT to release any information to her if she calls as his wife asking for information (a lot of wive's try to get health insurance information or pay information--I'm the office manager and see it ALL THE TIME!!!), AND, he needs to immediately say he wants the kid 1/2 the time if that is what he desires. Many people are now setting up child sharing, where the one spouse gets the kid 3 days, the other parent gets them 4 days, then they switch and the one gets him 4 days, the other 3 days. Several of my employees do that here and it seems to be the way of the future.

    She already had her mind made up and isn't coming back. I would bet you she has a place to stay and a new boyfriend already.

    I hate to speak in generalities....but this is the case most of the time that I've personally dealt with.

    There are exceptions, and hopefully they can work things out and be civil, but again, honestly, I usually don't see that.

    Good luck and be there for him. He'll need ya!
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    • #3
      Re: Divorce

      Oh Sweetie! I'm so sorry. Fit4Me has good advice for how your brother can protect himself. He should also continue with outside therapy or counselling. He needs someone to talk to to help him get through to the other side. Someone professional. It's great that you are there for him, but that's a heavy burden and you can't take all that on yourself.

      FYI, I married my true love and the only reason we've been together for so long is because of communication. It's total BS to expect another person to read your mind "if they really love you" or whatever. She's looking for a cop-out and trying to blame your brother for not knowing what she wants. Grrrr. Hugs to you and your bro.
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      • #4
        Re: Divorce

        I will pray for you and them.


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        • #5
          Re: Divorce

          Thanks everyone.

          I had that idea in the back of my mind about another guy, she just started a new job about a month ago and i'm sure if she has been thinking about this for a while then she probably told other people and someone said "oh you dont need to be treated like that" and that got her attention.

          I know that this is only one side of the story and im aware there is alot I probably dont know but all i know is that she told him to go to counseling and we will be together, and he did and now that isnt good enough. So atleast he should know in his mind that HE did what he could, she already had her mind made up at that point. And as an outsider looking in - you cant fix something that was never acknowledged. He is my brother and im sure things are the same with her family, they want to believe her. I think everything she said was a lie, you cant fall out of love with someone in one day - this was a long time coming and as far as im concerned, if she wanted it to work she would have made an effort, before it was too late. Its just so rough watching his son being taken away from him - the only thing that made him the great person he is today.

          Thanks for the prayers!!!
          Krystle
          25/5'11
          Re-Start date: February 26, 2010
          Mini-Goal #1: 247







          "Life is a grindstone... whether it grinds you down or polishes you up, depends on what you’re made of"

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          • #6
            Re: Divorce

            No doubt she's been thinking of this for a long time and maybe even talked until she's blue in the face! She may have complained about her husband so often to friends that they've started to eagerly dump on him along with her. Maybe she's associating with irresponsible, partygoing single women with a string of new lovers and wants that lifestyle back in some way? Maybe she's lookin at a new guy who makes her feel special, looking at starting over with her new job, and the excitement of all that newness just overrides the same old she's had with your brother. Maybe she's just really immature and missing the in love feeling and has completely unrealistic expectations about what a lasting marriage is made of. It's surprising how many people I've heard say that if it takes work it's not real because love should be easy. Hogwash.

            FWIW, I've been married for 14 years tomorrow and I left him at around 5 years in, thinking it was for good too so I think I have an idea where her head is at. For me it really was a lightbulb type moment where in one day it all came to a crashing halt and I too was "done". Your mind just goes numb, you're angry about the years you've suffered and the tears you've wasted when it looks like things are never going to change. It's just OVER. Finished. Your heart shuts down at that point. For me it was a quiet desperation that just came to a head one morning so I can understand how it would appear to be fine one day and over the next. If they've been struggling all this time she may have already given him a billion chances to stop treating her like garbage. Your brother's attitude that he doesn't know what he's done wrong sounds shockingly like my husband's tone at the time. Funny how he really saw nothing at all wrong with how he was treating me until I was out the door. All the apologies afterward or promises to do anything to make it better really don't do much when you're hurting that badly and have been for a long time. Ya know? Perhaps it is the same situation with your brother?


            BTW Is he crying about the loss of his little man or the loss of his wife? Understandably he's shaken up right now as his whole life is changing but if it's more his son he can still have him in his life.
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            • #7
              Re: Divorce

              I hate to toss this in, but your bro should consider a paternity test on the child as well. Fit4me gave you excellent advice.

              By the way, your bro should contact his physician and inform the doc and his office of this situation and that he wants a notation in his medical record that no information is to be given to his wife. Granted the laws are very specific about this, but there are times when a couple is in good standing with each other and the doc will ask do you mind if I share this information with your wife/husband and the patient gives permission. Make sure your bro tells his doc not share anything with his wife.

              Additionally, any credit cards they share should be closed. You don't want her running up a huge bill and ruin his credit. And he should contact a lawyer, ASAP, so he can begin custody proceedings.
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              • #8
                Re: Divorce

                He's realized that she is finished for good and he is upset about that. SO yes he is upset about losing her, but it was her choice to leave and there is nothing he can do about that so thats why he's only worries about little man now. He went to a lawyer on friday to see what his rights were and what to do about all the bills in the meantime and yesterday he finished the paperwork for the separation, which in that said my brother would take care of all the bills and parenting would be 50\50 joint - well samantha went into the office yesterday and signed off on everything except for joint custody. At this point - we are not sure what her reasoning was for that. She said thats what she wanted to do the night she got all of her things, but shes deciding little mans future with her 'hurt' feelings right now. My brother said he would give her money every week and help her out (even though you dont have to with joint custody, so the lawyer says) and she said she didnt need it. She's confused and I can understand that, but she needs to realize that this decision was brought on because she felt she had to leave, now she needs to be an adult and figure out whats going to happen with everything.

                When she left that night she went to live with her "parents" which live a few houses down from my parents - which is also the house that a few months ago there alarm went off when no one was home and the cops showed up there and found 37 pot plants all over 6ft tall in the garden and also all parif. for a meth lab. So he cant get that out of his mind that his 3year old is running around in a house where that was\is. Then she moved out of there after 2 days and went to live with her sister who lives across the street from where her and my brother lived because her sisters fiance got put in jail for 18 months for selling drugs......!!!!!! (not that it has anything to do with what im telling you guys but this is just another factor that he is dealing with) and now she doesnt want to do joint custody? She must have no idea what could happen....

                He has contacted all doctors and credit cards and all that already. The only thing he has to deal with in the car insurance because they are giving him a hard time with that for some reason. We will see how it all pans out.

                Thanks again everyone!
                Krystle
                25/5'11
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                • #9
                  Re: Divorce

                  This thread is going to end up being my divorce-journal, because day by day the crap keeps coming.

                  when my brother got the mail yesterday - the witch was nice enough to send him a CD single of there wedding song....

                  Its not enough to leave him broken hearted, now you gotta kick him when hes down. UUggghh!!! JUST ONCE - i'd like to punch her in the head, LOL! (i know thats mean but im upset)


                  also - last night they went back to the lawyers office and she signed the papers for the separation. its joint custody. but then she had the nerve to ask billy to watch little man on saturday because she had to work and he said thats no problem - then she said "can you keep him all day because i've got a date that night too"
                  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  its one thing to HAVE a date, but atleast try to hide it. it hasnt been a week yet! she definately has had someone at work all along. billy called me at 11:30 last night bawling his eyes out......

                  im amazed how someone could be this heartless - its not human.
                  Krystle
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                  "Life is a grindstone... whether it grinds you down or polishes you up, depends on what you’re made of"

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                  • #10
                    Re: Divorce

                    After reading this, you need to tell your brother he's lucky she's out of his life. His focus is to make sure his son won't grow up to be screwed up. He has to remain civil to his ex for the sake of his son.
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                    • #11
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                      Oh yeah, when your nephew is around the family, make sure no one bad-mouths his mother. It will only lead to animosity because she is his mother, a part of him. And if he hears that his mother is a "B" or whatever, he will think that you all think the same of him. Tell your brother that too. He should avoid calling his ex bad things whenever his son is around and he shouldn't involve his son with any marital problems. Again, it will only hurt the boy emotionally in the long run.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Divorce

                        People suck.

                        ((((((((Hugs)))))))) You're amazing and your love for your family absolutely shines through what you write. They're lucky to have you.

                        Thoughts and prayers for your family, hon!

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                        • #13
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                          I keep telling him - if this is how she really is then be thankful it happened now and not 10 years down the road when they would have had more kids and more assets\bills.
                          he kept repeating - what am i going to do when i see her with someone else? I wont be able to deal with that. and I tell him, she doesnt have much going for her right now so if she is with someone that person is only after one thing, and once morning comes shes going to feel like a piece of...you know what....just like she is making him feel. She is just spending her time elsewhere so it hasnt sunk in what actually just happened. But she will in time, and she wil be kicking herself for it.

                          Thanks Brook....thats all you needed to say and it brewed up the tears. My family is very complicated. We all live completely different-seperate lives and we dont really get along. But you still don't mess with em'!
                          Last edited by speedygt03; September 20, 2006, 09:48 AM.
                          Krystle
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                          • #14
                            Re: Divorce

                            Originally posted by speedygt03
                            This thread is going to end up being my divorce-journal, because day by day the crap keeps coming.

                            when my brother got the mail yesterday - the witch was nice enough to send him a CD single of there wedding song....

                            Its not enough to leave him broken hearted, now you gotta kick him when hes down. UUggghh!!! JUST ONCE - i'd like to punch her in the head, LOL! (i know thats mean but im upset)


                            also - last night they went back to the lawyers office and she signed the papers for the separation. its joint custody. but then she had the nerve to ask billy to watch little man on saturday because she had to work and he said thats no problem - then she said "can you keep him all day because i've got a date that night too"
                            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            its one thing to HAVE a date, but atleast try to hide it. it hasnt been a week yet! she definately has had someone at work all along. billy called me at 11:30 last night bawling his eyes out......

                            im amazed how someone could be this heartless - its not human.
                            Sorry for the language, but...what a heartless B****

                            I feel very bad for your brother, and what he's going through. Some day he'll realize how much better he is without her. Not today or tomorrow, but some day. He's lucky to have a loving sister like you to be there for him. I hope his heart heals in time...and it's good that he has joint custody of the little man.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Divorce

                              Originally posted by speedygt03
                              I keep telling him - if this is how she really is then be thankful it happened now and not 10 years down the road when they would have had more kids and more assets\bills.
                              he kept repeating - what am i going to do when i see her with someone else? I wont be able to deal with that. and I tell him, she doesnt have much going for her right now so if she is with someone that person is only after one thing, and once morning comes shes going to feel like a piece of...you know what....just like she is making him feel. She is just spending her time elsewhere so it hasnt sunk in what actually just happened. But she will in time, and she wil be kicking herself for it.
                              For the sake of his son, he should be courteous whenever the 3 of them are together.

                              If he's at Walmart and she's there too wrapped around some guy, he should just ignore her. He has to get it into his head that she only exists when it concerns their son.
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