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    Should women be more responsible?

    By Dan Parkinson
    BBC News website

    A study which reveals many sexually assaulted women may have had too much to drink rather than been drugged has sparked a debate over how much the victims themselves are to blame.

    The news that most victims of sexual assault in a new study were drunk at the time has come as no surprise to some commentators.

    They say they have watched with alarm the growing number of young women drinking to excess in bars and clubs across the UK.

    And it is argued that these women are behaving irresponsibly and putting themselves at risk of being sexually assaulted or raped.

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    Taking responsibility
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    Tory MP Ann Widdecombe says women have used date-rape drugs as an excuse when they have been attacked while drunk.
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    Alcohol has undoubtedly become the new short skirt in the way that people are looking to put the blame and the onus and the responsibility on women Julie Bindel Feminist writer

    "It is time women accepted that part of liberation is taking responsibility for themselves and their safety," she said.

    "I think a lot of women say 'he must have drugged me' when what they really mean to say is 'I got so drunk I can't remember what really happened'.

    "I have seen city centres on Friday and Saturday nights and if I had a daughter they are not places I would want her to be.

    "I have been saying for a very long time that drink is putting women in danger and I've also been saying for a very long time women have to take responsibility for themselves.

    "You can't always ask 'what can be done?' Is government responsible for people's actions?

    "What needs to be done is people need to grow up and take more responsibility for themselves."

    Media 'silence'

    But anti-rape campaigners and some commentators said blame was increasingly being placed on victims of rape rather than their attackers.

    Feminist writer Julie Bindel: "Alcohol has undoubtedly become the new short skirt in the way that people are looking to put the blame and the onus and the responsibility on women rather than men.

    "The media doesn't want to look at why men want to have sex with comatose, drunk women, often covered in vomit, often lying in streets, on the floor, without any notion of what's happening to them."

    And Ruth Hall, of Women Against Rape, said: "It is not news that women are drinking. Men drink as well but don't expect to be raped.

    "There's a lot of moralising now, on the subject of women drinking and whether they should or not.

    "There's a real backlash against women coming forward about rape."

    Both the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), which conducted the study, and the government insist that victims of rape are not being blamed.

    An Acpo spokesman said: "We are not saying that drug rape doesn't happen. We are saying it doesn't appear to be as prevalent as some feared it might be.

    "In many cases alcohol had been consumed and it suggests women have a responsibility to keep their wits about them.

    "When you drink to excess or take drugs you make yourself more vulnerable."

    And writer and broadcaster Anne Atkins said women should be more responsible but for practical - rather than moral - reasons.

    "I would say to young women 'be sensible and don't put yourself in any danger'. But it is not a women's fault if she gets raped," she said.

    "Drinking too much is mad but it is not wrong. A friend of mine suffered a lot of harassment one night.

    "She had drunk three glasses of wine, which normally you might be able to handle, but she was almost out cold.

    "Her boyfriend thought she had been drugged. But in the end she said it was probably the drink.

    "It can happen that easily. Women should never be blamed."

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    Re: BBC Story: Should women be more responsible?

    Hi

    I heard this on the radio on my way to work this morning!! Its going to cause outrage!!

    I know myself I'm not a very good drinker, so if I do go out with friends I either drive or have a soft drink inbetween alcoholic ones (pre atkins of course!!)

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      No means no...whether drunk or sober.
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        Re: BBC Story: Should women be more responsible?

        I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this but....

        Women should be aware of their surroundings at all times. We're 'easy pickings' because we generally are smaller than attackers. We are preoccupied when we walk alone (loaded with shopping bags, talking on cellphones, etc.) And if we are inebriated, well...it makes us even easier victims.

        I'm not 'blaming' the victims. I'm just saying to be alittle wiser and alot more aware. If you've been out drinking with friends, use the buddy-system and look out for each other. If you are working late at night, don't work in the office alone or at least have someone accompany you to your car. IF any situation makes you feel uncomfortable, get out. When I was living in a large city, I came home to find my apartment door unlocked and ajar. I didn't go inside. Nope. I went to my car. Drove to a busy supermarket and called a guy I knew, then I called the police.. He came over and waited with me for the police.

        This isn't a rosy, pretty world which rapists and muggers are just imaginary beings like the toothfairy.

        Be aware. Be smart. Be safe.
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          Re: BBC Story: Should women be more responsible?

          I agree with Sally and Megs. No does mean NO at all times. and Yes we must be most aware mentally and physically at all times. Alcohol affects everyone; some become weaker, some strong and daring, others just sleep it off. Yet sometimes we just don't remember that the booze drops our inhibitions, our senses ease up and we are just plain stupid not to mention s h i t f a c e d.
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