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**Georgiana** · April 15, 2009, 05:29 PM

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Welcome to the Board, Emily!

You got me a little confused here... What phase of the diet are you following? Maintenance or Induction? The purpose of Maintenance is to maintain your weight, not to lose. However, in order to follow the Maintenance phase of Atkins, you need to know your CCLM. In order to lose, you need your CCLL. If you started directly in Maintenance, you do not know these numbers. Am I missing something?

Originally posted by babillant View Post

Can you really eat too many calories/eat too much fat on this diet?

Yes. If you are taking in more calories than you are burning, then you will gain weight. Ketosis has the advantage of appetite suppression, which is why Dr. Atkins said it is not necessary to count calories as long as we eat only enough not to be hungry. However, calories do matter.

By the way, one should no longer be in ketosis by the time he/she reaches Maintenance.

My other question is about ketones. If you don't dispel of them do they get "sucked back" into your fat cells so to speak?

No, they don't get "sucked back". You either use them for energy or you eliminate them.

**chinadoll** · April 15, 2009, 06:10 PM

Re: A little confused

Bab, it sounds like you are trying to use the Induction phase of Atkins for your long term maintenance. Even Dr. A would not advocate this for your lifetime eating. You should not be in ketosis on while maintaining, Your body needs more veggies and nutrients from some fruits, etc. to function. Also if you have switched from a drastic calorie reduction diet to Atkins your body needs to adjust. No wonder you are not losing weight right now. I suggest you figure out whether you want to be healthy and thinner or whether you want to be a career yo yo dieter. If you are serious about your health, then learn to do Atkins properly and get yourself to the premaintenance/maintenance phase as soon as you can while still doing the exploration each rung entails. Get the book and read it thoroughly and choose A SINGLE PLAN (whether it is Atkins or not) for life.

**babillant** · April 15, 2009, 06:25 PM

Re: A little confused

Thanks guys. Yeah I'm doing induction, not any maintenance phases although I admit I haven't counted every carb. Here is a sample menu of things I have eaten in the last few days: (doesn't vary very much)

Eggs or an omelet in the morning with some sort of meat and cheese.
Coffee with cream and artificial sweetener (been reading this could be bad but it doesn't knock me out of ketosis)

Diet soda sometimes.

Lunch- Cheesburger without the bun, has tomato, a little bit of onion and lettuce and mayo with mustard.

Snack- Cheese with "legal" veggies or just a salad with ranch and legal veggies

Dinner- Elite protein shake (3 carbs) or more meat

Sometimes I've eaten more than that, but the choices don't change very much. I did make the mistake of using an atkins bar once or twice this week, I guess those are the devil too!

So hope that clears up some more. Maybe I'm just 29 now instead of 19 and my metabolism sucks.

**babillant** · April 15, 2009, 06:29 PM

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And Jill, the Simeon's protocol is something different, obviously, than atkins, but is still pretty low carb the whole time you do it (mixed in with HCG shots), after a certain amount of time on that plan you're supposed to do a "maintenance phase" of as much meat and green veggies as you'd like, 2 oranges a day and 2 eggs a day. They actually recommend you eat past capacity to reset your "set point". Many people that do the HCG protocol decide to do Atkins instead for the "maintenance phase" since it's easier to do and has more variety. That's what I'm doing... I might stay on Atkins forever or I might just go back to the HCG shots for a second round. If you don't know what I'm talking about you may just wanna look it up (if you want to), and read more about it. Most people that do HCG do an Atkins type thing after in order to not gain their weight back and supposedly "reset their set point". I won't worry too much about losing weight on induction. If I maintain my weight loss from HCG that'll be enough for me.

**imagood1** · April 15, 2009, 10:54 PM

Re: A little confused

Hi Emily -- shakes and bars aren't allowed on induction and the book says you should count all carbs - eating no more than 20 carbs per day. You should read the book so you know what this WOE is about and why it works...we have a list of acceptable food for induction and if it isn't on the list -- it doesn't go in your mouth. We drink AT LEAST 64 ounces of water a day and exercise. I've been on many diets where everything is so restrictive that you feel like you'll starve if you continue -- this isn't one of those. If Atkins is good enough for HCG Simeon's Protocol during your maintenance program why don't you continue with this plan until you are at your goal weight.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do - but please follow Atkins correctly if you're going to do it. Thanks!

BTW -- here is the link to this diet...it's been around in many forms for years. http://www.hcgdietinfo.com/HCG-Diet-Protocol.htm. 500 calories a day MAX -- you can't wear makeup -- you can't have a massage.....WTF???? I've have several friends who went on this for a short period of time....no wonder these people use Atkins for maintenance -- they can actually EAT FOOD!!! It's a fad diet Kevin Trudeau has been on TV with - another reason to stay away from it!

**babillant** · April 16, 2009, 12:51 AM

Re: A little confused

Thanks!

Yeah I read the book 10 years ago but I'm sure I could use another read. As for HCG, I dunno what I think about it. I could wear mineral makeup, still used lotion, didn't eat everything organic, and was NEVER EVER hungry. Supposedly the HCG shot makes you feel that way but it may just be placebo. Placebo or not I lost 30 pounds in 30 days, gained 5 back cause I cheated at the very end. Good thing Atkins is keeping me at a loss of 25 pounds. I'll do better at not trying to cheat the system with bars or whatever, although the bars say "All phases" but I guess that's bunk.

Also, exercise has always been an issue. No way to get away from it though, has to be done!

**babillant** · April 16, 2009, 12:53 AM

Re: A little confused

Oh and BTW the Simeon's protocol isn't "by" Kevin Trudeau, he just used something that someone already made up to make money... added a couple extra phases and a buncha bunk to sell books. That's all. Dr. Simeon was around way before Kevin. I still don't know what I think of the whole protocol though. May just do Atkins if I can get it tweaked right.

**chinadoll** · April 16, 2009, 04:21 AM

Re: A little confused

Emily, my main concern isn't the protocol but more that it sounded like you plan to stay in Induction on a maintenance basis which is definitely not a good idea. Sounds like your protocol is similar to the direction Atkins wants you to take by moving through the rungs.

Thank you for the info on the Simeon Protocol. I will admit that it is a new one to me and will check it out to find out more.

Since I live outside the US I miss most of the trends in everything LOL.

With your menu, it looks low on veggies for Atkins Induction. You should have 3 cups of veggies a day, two cups from the salad list and one cup of other approved veggies such as broccoli, green beans, etc. and as Imagoodone said, no shakes, no bars.

One last thing, the book from ten years ago is not the version of Atkins used here. We use the 2002 Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution. So, some of the things in your edition have been updated to a safer, and more user friendly plan.

I hope you stick around and give this a real try. It has got to be better than starving yourself. I can see why you have to reset your metabolic set point by eating a lot after the protocol. With such a low calorie intake your metabolism must all but shut down. Hopefully you will find this WOE (Way of eating) enjoyable and successful.

**imagood1** · April 16, 2009, 09:28 PM

Re: A little confused

Originally posted by babillant View Post

Oh and BTW the Simeon's protocol isn't "by" Kevin Trudeau, he just used something that someone already made up to make money... added a couple extra phases and a buncha bunk to sell books. That's all. Dr. Simeon was around way before Kevin. I still don't know what I think of the whole protocol though. May just do Atkins if I can get it tweaked right.

I didn't say it was BY him -- I said It's a fad diet Kevin Trudeau has been on TV with.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do but you are the one who ask for help. The fad diet you have been following isn't safe - it isn't something you can keep up for long periods of time and may cause you more harm than good.

Here is something you should read about it. It has been around in different forms for many years. At one time the shot was pregnant horse urine -- my husband's aunt was on this and ended up hospitalized because of the side effects. HCG Worthless as Weight-Loss Aid

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