30g & under induction

[JaxMama]

This is my 3rd go at Atkins. I have read the book twice. I started last January and lost 20 lbs. Gained half of it back after June when I stopped. Now I am back on day 2 and starting to feel the "flu." My only concern is I am not able to stay under 20 grams a day so far but more like 25. Is that really going to keep me from losing weight during induction? Thoughts please.

[atkinsgal08]

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Welcome to ADBB!

Are you counting net carbs?

What exactly are you eating that gets you to 25?

[liv]

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It may not be induction if you do not follow the rules but you may still lose weight. And if that is more important to you so be it. But as J says - more important than the actual number is from what foods these carbs are coming. If they all come from sugar free chocolate you are in trouble but if they from jicama you may be OK.

[JaxMama]

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No sugar free chocolate, I know not to start that until after induction. My additional few carbs comes from induction foods. Induction, in the past, makes me really not want to eat and my cal count gets low. I want to keep my cal count about 1400 which means additional carbs.

TODAY:
protein shake net 2 carbs and I had 1.5 servings- 3
egg and cream cheese pancake- 1 net carb
salad with cucumber and 4 bites of tomato and dressing-4 net
two slices of ham with 1/2 serving cream cheese- 1 net carb
1/2 serving sunflower seeds- 2 net carbs
cheese and pepperoni- 2 net carbs
caprese salad- 5 net carbs (or however 3/4 tomato has)
egg whites and cream cheese- 5 net carbs

So I had 23 grams, I seriously can't think 3 grams will make a difference but wanted to know if anyone else started at a higher level and still had success?

thanks for the replies.

[liv]

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In itself 25 carbs may not be an issue but most of your carbs seems to come from cheese and that may be an issue. many of us cannot eat that much cheese and lose weight. Atkins has a limit of 4 oz of cheese in induction

You are eating some sun flower seeds which is not induction legal
And your veggie carb is low.

You really should get most of your carbs from veggies.

I am guessing you have not read the book. It is a good source for understanding what to eat on teh diet.

Here are some threads in our FAQ that will help you.
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...induction.html (What are the Rules of Induction?)
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...induction.html (What foods can be eaten on Induction?)
http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...lent-tips.html (A "MUST READ" for Newbies... 40 excellent tips!)

[JulieB]

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I agree...if your "extra" carbs were from veggies, I wouldn't be concerned, but too much cheese...sunflower seeds - you aren't just breaking the 20 carb-rule, you are blowing off at least 3 of the rules of induction. You may or may not lose weight eating like that - no one can tell how your body will react.

[JaxMama]

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Yep I read the book twice, about a year ago. And have been reading the "rules" on line to refamiliarize myself. My only issue is the amount of cholesterol in meats and eggs in the first two weeks. I have read conflicting reports and cannot go either way on them in regards to the cholesterol. 1 egg has 57% of your daily value. Have that everyday for two weeks along with additional foods high in cholesterol, makes my heart flutter.

So my choices have been to try not to eat soo many whole eggs and meat starting this again.

I'll see what happens over the next few days and post if there is any weight loss changes. If not, I may need to rethink how to stay away from so much cholesterol during induction. Yesterday, at start, I weighed 147.4, this morning I weighed 146.8. Water loss, probably, but it got me excited enough to stick with the plan.

One last thing, when I did Atkins in 2004 I drank, alcohol (vodka and diet), like a fish at every phase. It was the only time in my life I got rid of my cellulite. So I do question if it matters how I get my limited carbs as long as I go into Ketosis and set up myself up after induction.

I am older now and so I worry about alcohol and additional cholesterol. But am a true believer in the Atkin and low carb way.

[atkinsgal08]

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>> read the book twice, about a year ago.>>

Time to read it again.

Also, you're over your limit of cheese!

>>My only issue is the amount of cholesterol in meats and eggs in the first two weeks.>>

Shouldn't be a problem on Atkins ... ever. Dr. Atkins writes about this in the book.

>>hen I did Atkins in 2004 I drank, alcohol (vodka and diet), like a fish at every phase.>>

Alcohol isn't allowed on Induction.

[atkinsgal08]

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>>I do question if it matters how I get my limited carbs as long as I go into Ketosis and set up myself up after induction.>>

Yes, it does matter ... at least it mattered to Dr. Atkins!

You can, of course, do your own plan.

[Georgiana]

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read the book twice

Did you read the 2002 edition or an earlier one?

[Georgiana]

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5 net carbs (or however 3/4 tomato has)

You can use the USDA database or FitDay to look it up.

http://www.fitday.com

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

3/4 of a large tomato has 3.75 net carbs.

egg whites and cream cheese- 5 net carbs

How many net carbs per ounce does the cream cheese you're eating have?

Over half of your net carbs should come from vegetables.

[JaxMama]

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I didnt mean to offend anyone jeez and I know what the book says. But I can tell by the comments that high cholesterol can come about eating way too many eggs and meat. And that DOES NOT mean it's still not the diet for me. I don't have a cholesterol problem but I am more aware of what I put in my mouth just as I know carbs and sugar cause me insulin dumps and dizziness (no I am not diabetic). And yes the last book I read was his newest. I know what it says even if I mentioned I ate more cheese yesterday. Scale is down to 145.6, down 2 pounds. Absolutely could be water weight but atleast the pants I am wearing now are looser than when I wore them this time last week. It tells me just in 2 days my body is adjusting to eating less carbs and reacting quickly.
Please don't judge me if I eat more cheese in an alloted day. I am allowed to use the principles of Atkins but I am allow to tailor it to my lifestyle. If I don't lose any weight after this then I will come back and say so and do "Atkins" (with egg whites). But really does it matter if I eat 25 grams and not 20 grams of net carbs in induction? I think Atkins old book had it at 30 grams and then his new changed to 20 grams.

Good luck to everyone else with their weight loss goals! I love to see the stories and the old/new photos. Such an inspiration.

[Georgiana]

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I don't think anyone was offended. But we will not encourage people to "tailor" Induction by overeating net carbs... by overeating cheese... or by undereating net carbs from vegetables.

It doesn't mean it will not "work" for you... it's just not the plan we are following here, since we go by DANDR 2002.

I think Atkins old book had it at 30 grams and then his new changed to 20 grams.

The limit was never 30 grams during Induction.

I can tell by the comments that high cholesterol can come about eating way too many eggs and meat

What comments are you referring to?

[JaxMama]

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I see no one else tailors their diet except me on this board? Or I am the only one that says anything. Good to know. I will def keep up and log my weight loss. Applying Atkins principles is what I am doing. I am not overweight or obese so I don't think strict induction is what I need. If you have a significant amount of weight to lose, I would tell anyone to follow Atkins strictly.
My dad saw my success this time last year and I gave him the book, he read it and used the principles too and lost A LOT of weight I think 80 lbs or so. My aunt quizzed me on what I knew just recently and she tailored her diet and sayed she loved that she wasn't hungry all the time. I told her to keep her calories up just in case she stopped eating a lot of protein. I had a coworker see me lose weight and she applied the principles and lost weight too and now is trying to encourage her daughter to do the same.
I hope to come back by tomorrow or Sunday. Now only to keep from eating a cupcake at my daughter's 2nd birthday party Saturday. And to not drink alcohol at the Monster Jam. I CAN DO IT And so can everyone else on this board.

[liv]

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We do tell people how to do it by the book. It is sort of our mandate. Dr. Atkins came out with a very good and healthy programme that includes plenty of veggies and nutrition and that still implements the principles of low carbing and we know it works because we are working it and we see others work it.

But certainly if you think you need something different that is up to you. Hope things go well this week and look forward to hearing your update.

You probably also inform yourself on the latest findings on what happens when you eat eggs - eating cholesterol is not what makes cholesterol. Some people got it very wrong. But around 2007 several studies came out that corrected these misconceptions.
It is actually quite funny to me to be an Atkins person because Atkins wrote a very good book in in 1972 with excellent recommendation that all the experts slammed down but now gradually they are finding that duh he was right all along.

Here is a recent study on heart disease someone just posted on our board.

BBC News - Low carb diets like Atkins 'better for blood pressure'