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    So, I've been thinking of a way to incorporate a bowl of oatmeal into my OWL menu. The boxes and bags usually list 1/4 cup of the dry oats to be cooked in 1 cup of liquid for 1 serving. 1/4 cup of the oats runs about 25-27 total carbs with about 4 fiber grams. Might be good for maintenance....

    Anyhow, I began looking through Scottish cookbooks for porridge recipes. The Scots have been eating porridge for centuries, if anyone knows how to cook them, they would.

    Here's what I found:
    1. They use milled oats. That is the oats are ground into different textures. Bob's RedMill "Scottish Oatmeal" corresponds to the Scottish "medium oatmeal". Rolled oats seem to be American in origin (and they are made by steaming the oat, cutting them, flattening them, then drying them out. Depending on how long they are steammed will determine if they are "quick-cooking" or "instant" or "old fashioned".)

    2. Most Scottish recipes use 2-3 tablespoons of oats per 1 cup liquid for 1 serving. This cuts the carbs considerably because 2 tablespoons of the oats is roughly 9 net carbs.

    3. Most Scottish recipes soak the oats at least one hour (or overnight) before cooking them.

    4. Really ancient porridges used fermented grains. That is the grains were soaked in water for 24 hours or more, in order for the fermentation process to begin. This gives the porridge a slightly tangy taste (think along the lines of sour dough bread).

    5. The "traditional" way of eating oatmeal is to eat it standing up, while dunking spoonfuls of the hot porridge into a cup of cold cream (in order to cool it down). Sweetening the porridge is considered to be an English affectation according to one source I read.

    6. Add a pinch of salt while it's cooking, not during the soaking process.

    So, I began experimenting. I used Bob's Redmill's Scottish Oatmeal or the Steel Cut oats. The Scottish Oatmeal has a finer texture than the Steel-Cut oats. I prefer the steel-cut oats. I pre-soaked and didn't pre-soaked. I prefered the soaked oats because the porridge was creamier.

    Anyhow, here's what I do:

    for 2 servings, soak 2 tablespoons of oats in 1 cup water overnight. In the morning put the oats and the soaking liquid into a saucepan. Set over medium high heat and stir. Bring to a boil, while stirring. I found that stirring the porridge in the beginning of cooking will result in a creamier porridge. Cooking until the porridge has the thickness of a gravy. Remove from heat. Serve with cold cream.

    If you eat only 1 serving, refrigerate the leftovers and microwave it the next morning for breakfast.

    Oatmeal cooked this way is not as thick and pasty as it usually is. It's texture is more like a creamy vegetable soup or gravy. Along with an egg or some kind of breakfast meat, I find this oatmeal to be very filling and satisfying.
    ~Megs~
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    Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

    Very interesting info! Thanks for sharing.

    oh yea, I wonder what the significance of eating standing up is?


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    • #3
      Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

      Here is the British (or even Scottish input)

      Quaker Oats is the big name, but I note I have a packet of Jordans in the house at the moment. I just microwave it.







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      • #4
        Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

        So do you all in the UK eat rolled oats too? I looked up a couple of English cook books (Two Fat Ladies, Gary Rhodes, Jane Garmey, etc.) and I got the impression that you all have the milled oats, not the rolled kind.

        I grew up eating the rolled kind (Quaker Oats) and I always thought it tasted awful because it had a bitter off-taste. In fact, I used to let my sister have my oatmeal on oatmeal mornings and I used to eat toast instead. The milled oats don't have that flavor as far as I can tell. I tried toasting the oats before cooking it as one non-Scottish source suggested because it supposedly gives the oatmeal a "nutty flavor". Well, I guess my idea of "nutty" and theirs is totally different! Yuck!

        MoG: I don't know origin behind the standing up.
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        • #5
          Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

          that is interesting Megs Labarum's UK BBC link said
          oats have been grown in Scotland since the Late Medieval period and porridge has long been notable as the staple diet of crofters throughout the land. The mixture would be prepared at the start of the week, then poured into a 'porridge drawer', where it was cooled and consumed by a family over the following days. The solid mixture could be sliced and taken out as lunch to be eaten cold or the slices could be fried up for breakfast.
          so you got 2 different scottish eating ways
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          • #6
            Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

            I have never thought about what kind of oats is isn the porridge box - I just add half milk, half water a little salt a zap in the microwave.

            I seem to have a packet of Waitrose (Supermarket own brand) which is rolled, a box of Jordans (rolled) and looking deeper into the cupboard a box of Scott's which is milled.

            I couldn't find Scotts on Google because it has 2 "T"s and I used one. Scotts is a big name, but I still can't find a company website.

            I can't say I have noticed any difference between milled or rolled.
            Atkins didn't say 'Calories don't count',
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            • #7
              Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

              G'day everyone,
              We have Uncle Tobys oats here in Australia,
              theres a web site just search for Uncle Tobys oats,
              I like the Traditional, but can't have on induction.
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              • #8
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                2Big, I read about the porridge drawer in one of the cookbooks. Apparently, it was also used as "add water and stir" type meal, because they would pour boiling water over a square of the cold oatmeal, stir and eat it. When I make my oatmeal, I make a big batch because there's no sense in making 1 cup of the stuff. I don't have a drawer but I divide it into 1/2 cup servings and put it in the fridge. I just microwave it to re-heat.

                The fried oatmeal sounds like the fried cornmeal mush. I was watching some vegetarian cooking show in tv the other day and the cook made corn chips using cold polenta (AKA cornmeal mush), sliced thinly and fried in olive oil. Maybe I'll experiment with oatmeal.

                But I found the oats thing fascinating. I found a Highlands recipe for oatcakes or bannocks: oats, a couple of tablespoons melted butter or bacon fat, a couple of tablespoons of hot water, pinch of salt. Mix it, knead it, roll it into a circle, cut it into quarters and "bake" it on a griddle or frying pan until they curl and are barely browned. I'll have to try that one day too. I found some other recipes that used a quantity of wheat flour in the oatcakes, but I figured the one using oats only was a bit more authentic....
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                • #9
                  Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                  Labarum, do the oats in your box look chopped ground up or are they flattened in small oval shapes?

                  Rolled oats are flattened and oval because they are sliced then flattened. Milled oats are ground.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                    i went to his sites and they are all steamed and flattened they refer to chopped ones as Scottish oats over in England too
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                    • #11
                      Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                      Originally posted by not2late
                      Labarum, do the oats in your box look chopped ground up or are they flattened in small oval shapes?

                      Rolled oats are flattened and oval because they are sliced then flattened. Milled oats are ground.
                      The packet is still sealed - not ready to open it.

                      Just noticed - on the front of the box it says

                      Scott's
                      Porage Oats -- spelling as it appears
                      Original
                      Scottish-Milled Oats

                      but on the side it says

                      INGREDIENTS

                      100% Scott's Rolled Oats

                      So I am confused.

                      I suspect it too is rolled.

                      I have never seen oats that were not flattened in small oval shapes, as you describe.

                      Per 100g oats

                      356Kcal
                      11g Protein
                      60g Carb (of which sugar 1.1g)
                      8g fat
                      99 fibre

                      per 45g seving with 310ml skimmed milk

                      256Kcal
                      15.4 g Protein
                      42.3g carb of which sugar 15.8g
                      3.9g fat
                      4.1g Fibre
                      Atkins didn't say 'Calories don't count',
                      he said, 'Don't count calories.'
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                      Male 6 ft 3in 60 years old. Married 28 years.
                      Began Atkins March 04 at 260lb, reduced to 203lb by April 07 and maintained.
                      Blood Pressure Mar 04 147/94 . Jun 04 121/74 . Dec 04 119/72 . Jan 06 126/71 . Dec 07 110/70
                      Atkins makes exercise mandatory - I took up cycling - see last pics at 203lb.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                        The fried oatmeal sounds like the fried cornmeal mush. I was watching some vegetarian cooking show in tv the other day and the cook made corn chips using cold polenta (AKA cornmeal mush), sliced thinly and fried in olive oil. Maybe I'll experiment with oatmeal.
                        Megs, you may want to try oat bran for this too? it's a finer consistency thatn oats?

                        I love porridge, I was going to buy some Mccanns irish oatmeal last time i was shopping, i just love the look of the can it comes in . The carb count was just too high for me.

                        Right now i'm having oat bran in the mornings for breakfast. I mix it with flax/wheat bran to keep the carb count down..but it's 16g for 1/3 cup. i usually mix 2 tbsns with equeal amounts of flax, wheat bran.



                        Here's some info from netrition on Mccanns irish oats.




                        Steel-Cut Oats are whole grain groats (the inner portion of the oat kernel) which have been cut into only two or three pieces. They are golden in colour and resemble mini rice particles.

                        How are they different from Rolled Oats? Rolled oats are flake oats that have been steamed, rolled, re-steamed and toasted. Due to all of this additional processing they have lost some of their natural taste, goodness and texture.

                        What makes Steel-cut Oats so special? Grains are essential to a healthy lifestyle and form the foundation of the food pyramid. Steel-cut oats are inherently full of nutritional value and are high in B-Vitamins, calcium, protein and fiber while low in salt and unsaturated fat. One cup of steel-cut oatmeal contains more fiber than a bran muffin and twice as much fibre as Cream of Wheat. The quality of Irish Oats and the distinctive crunchy texture make McCann's Steel-Cuts a gourmet delight.

                        All oats grown for and used by McCann's are free from genetically modified organisms.

                        The FDA endorsed Oats in the fight against Heart Disease and certain cancers. In August 1999, the FDA in the U.S. issued a further endorsement of oats. It authorized a new claim that will allow companies to promote the benefits of whole grains in relation to heart disease and certain cancers. It indicated that diets that are rich in whole grains, such as oats, may reduce the risk of these conditions.

                        Oatmeal is the only food that naturally contains GLA (gamma linolenic acid) an essential fatty acid critical to the body's production of the favorable eicosanoids (PGE1 - prostaglandins). Eating steel-cut oats (very slow cooking) four times a week will provide you with a good supply of GLA.

                        Wholegrain Oats and Type 2 Diabetes - In the U.S. almost 16 million people suffer from Type 2 diabetes with as many as 625,000 new cases being diagnosed each year. A new 10-year study published in the American Journal of Public health indicated that eating oatmeal (a wholegrain cereal) on a regular basis can help to reduce the risk of Type 2 (adult onset) diabetes. The study showed that eating 1 serving of oatmeal (equivalent to 1 cup cooked) 2-4 times weekly resulted in a 16% reduction in risk of suffering from Type 2 diabetes. By increasing consumption of oatmeal to 5-6 times weekly, there was a corresponding 39% reduction in the risk of onset of Type 2 diabetes.

                        http://www.netrition.com/mccanns_oats_page.html
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                        • #13
                          Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                          Labarum, that just confused me too. Here's a link to oats that has images. http://www.foodsubs.com/GrainOats.html

                          The pic on that site of "rolled oats" is how the Old Fashioned Quaker Oats looks like in the US. The pic of "quick oats" is how Quick Quaker Oats appears.

                          Sadie, I like the McCann's can too and I've been tempted to buy it for the container, lol. Bob's Redmill sells an "oat flour". But if push comes to shove and I need a finer texture, I guess I can toss some of the oats I have into a coffee grinder and get a finer meal.

                          The McCann's has the same nutritional info as the Bob's RedMill I'm using. 1/4 cup is the equivalent of 4 tablespoons. So 1 tablespoon gives you about 5 net carbs. Using the Scottish recipe I have (2 tablespoons per 1 cup liquid) and eating half that amount for a serving, gives me a half cup of oatmeal at 5 net carbs---not bad, imo.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                            MEgs ifyou read his BBC topic itsays they steam then flatten but not slice them in rolled oats over there. are you sure ours are sliced before flattening for old fashioned oats?
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                            • #15
                              Re: Oatmeal/Porridge

                              It depends on the kind of rolled oats. The "Quick" and "Instant" are sliced, but the "Old fashioned" are flattened.

                              But I haven't seen many British cookbooks that use the rolled/old-fashioned oats: they usually specify "fine, medium, pinhead" oatmeal, unless the recipe has been converted to American terms. My boss has a British book on invalid cookery by Marguerite Patten and I'll thumb through it today and see what she used. Interesting side note about Marguerite Patten, during the war she developed many rationing recipes including a honey substitute made from parsley!

                              I forgot to add, the 1 tablespoon oats to liquid recipe can be microwaved. Soak the oats in 1/2 to 3/4 cups liquid overnight. In the morning, stir it, add a pinch of salt if you want, then nuke it for 2-3 minutes. You will need to stir it again during the cooking time.

                              I might be adventurous tomorrow morning and make the oatmeal using cream in place of all or part of the water.
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