Coffee... who knew?!

[CraftyGirl]

I found this morning that I was seriously under-educated about my favorite morning drink. I don't know why it hadn't dawned on me to check before, but was shocked to find that all the last couple months I've been drinking carbs in my coffee and never counting them!!!

I'm glad I found that out this morning and my eyes are open to the fact that I need to be much more diligent about looking up everything I put in my body and making sure I'm couting things appropriately.

[Richt]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

Coffee and Caffeinie is not allowed at all during Induction. I think I read another post a bit earlier where you said you were on the induction phase didnt I?

Sorry to be the barer of bad news.

Rich

[CraftyGirl]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

I guess I interpreted this to be a 'suggestion' rather than directive... I drank it while I did induction a couple months ago and lost 10 pounds so it wouldn't have occurred to me to do it differently this time. Thanks!

"10. Avoid coffee, tea and soft drinks that contain caffeine. Excessive caffeine has been shown to cause low blood sugar, which can make you crave sugar."

[Richt]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

No problem, I am glad I could be of help.

Good Luck

Rich

[scott123]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

According to the USDA National Nutrient Database (which is where Fitday and most other nutritional software pull their numbers from),

Coffee, brewed from grounds, prepared with tap water, decaffeinated
A 12 oz. cup contains:

.36 g protein
.36 g ash
0 carbs

That's it. Caffeinated (not allowed on induction) coffee has slightly more protein and ash, but still 0 carbs.

[not2late]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

Scott, the Dr. Atkins New Diet Carbohydrate Gram Counter lists 6 ounce of coffee as having 0.9 net carbs. From what I understand, the Atkins Center used to have an independent lab analyze foods for them. That's how they discovered a 5 carb bagel really had something like 50 grams. And that's also why the carb counts in that book and in DANDR differ slightly from fitday, Netzer's book, and Dana Carpender's book.

ETA...

For what it's worth, I e-mailed Fred Pescatore about a year ago with a question about his diet. Anyhow, Dr. Pescatore was the Associate Medical Director of the Atkins Center for most of the 1990s. He wrote that Netzer's book was more correct than the USDA website's values and recommended I use the carb counts in that book over the USDA.

So the best thing to do when it comes to carb counting is to pick one resource and use that due to the range of error and discrepancies.

[boonie stomper]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

Actually there is significant deviation of some fitday data from USDA nutrient data for like foods. Here is the same 12 oz coffee as listed in fitday:
Nutrition Facts Amount Per 12 fl oz Calories 7.1
Calories from Fat 0 % Daily Value *
Total Fat 0g 0%
Saturated Fat 0.0071g 0%
Polyunsaturated Fat 0.0071g
Monounsaturated Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 7.1mg 0%
Potassium 191.81mg 5%
Total Carbohydrate 1.42g 0%
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
Protein 0.355g 1%
Alcohol 0g

Also, my the intepretation that caffeine is not prohibited during induction unless you are dependent on it

[not2late]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

CAffiene footnote, Chapter 11

Excessive caffeine may cause unstable blood sugar and should be avoided by those who suspect they are caffeine dependent. Everyone should avoid caffeine.

What's caffiene dependency?http://www.ccsf.edu/Events_Pubs/Guar...5/feat05.shtml

The American Medical Association 1995 study of 112 caffeine-dependent subjects, “provides clinical evidence supporting a theory of caffeine dependency syndrome similar to addictions of other drugs and substances. Its affect on mood and the existence of withdrawal characteristics, establishes a diagnosis of abuse and dependence according to a paper published recently in AMA Nutrition Research Newsletter

So if caffeine dependency shares the same/similar signs of other substance dependency, then the signs of caffeine dependency would include:

How can we tell if someone is abusing or addicted to drugs?

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual - III - R
[DSM-III-R is not currently used but has historical utility.] At least three of the following are necessary; some of the symptoms of the disturbance must have persisted for at least one month or have occurred repeatedly over a longer period of time:

• Substance is often taken in larger amounts or over longer period than intended
• Persistent desire or one or more unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use
• A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to get the substance (e.g., theft), taking the substance (e.g., chain smoking), or recovering from its effects
• Important social, occupational, or recreational activities given up or reduced because of substance abuse
• Continued substance use despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent social, psychological, or physical problem that is caused or exacerbated by use of the substance
• Marked tolerance: need for markedly increased amounts of the substance (> 500/ increase) in order to achieve intoxication or desired effect, or markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount
• Characteristic withdrawal symptoms
• Substance often taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms
• Frequent intoxication or withdrawal symptoms when expected to fulfill major role obligations or when use is physically hazardous

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual - IV

A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period:

• Substance is often taken in larger amounts or over longer period than intended
• Persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use
• A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (e.g., visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (e.g., chain smoking), or recover from its effects
• Important social, occupational, or recreational activities given up or reduced because of substance abuse
• Continued substance use despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent psychological, or physical problem that is caused or exacerbated by use of the substance
• Tolerance, as defined by either:
  1. need for read amounts of the substance in order to achieve intoxication or desired effect; or
  2. markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount
• Withdrawal, as manifested by either:
  1. characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance; or
  2. the same (or closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Drugpages/DSR.html

[CraftyGirl]

Re: Coffee... who knew?!

Boy did I open a can of worms!!! Thanks for all the discussion everyone!