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  • Chemistry 2: Inulin

    Scott mentioned inulin as a way to mimick sugar's properties in sugar-less foods. There's a relatively new fiber supplement on the market called Fiber Sure (http://www.fibersure.com). It's 100% inulin: no bulking agents according to the nutritional info. I bought some about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Anyhow, it does have a slightly sweet taste on its own, but it's nearly tasteless when added to food or drinks. The website has "recipes", but basically they are things like chili con carne with a few tablespoons of the Fibersure added to it, in order to boost the food's fiber content.

    I haven't tried to use Fibersure in anything like a low carb ice cream recipe or something similiar to that. Would it work? And how much of the inulin would be needed to mimick the sugar properties?
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    Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

    Megs, inulin and polydextrose (polyd) are pretty much interchangeable. Inulin is polymerized fructose and polyd is polymerized dextrose. Subbing them for each other will give you indistinguishible results. Although I've never seen an inulin based ice cream, there are a bunch of polyd based ice cream recipes floating around cyberspace (polyd is a lot more popular due to it's being a fraction of the price).

    Here is my current ice cream recipe. You may or may not have all ingredients, but it'll give you an idea of the players involved in ice cream chemistry. Should you decide to make this with inulin, it'll sub perfectly for the polyd.

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    My ice cream recipe isn't perfect, but it's pretty close. Here's where it's at:

    2 1/2 C. heavy/whipping cream
    1 1/2 C. low carb milk (calorie countdown 2%)
    1/4 C. + 2 T. Erythritol
    3/4 C. Polydextrose
    1/4 C. + 2 T. splenda (or liquid equivalent)
    1/4 t. Sweet One brand Ace K
    1 T. glycerin
    1/2 t. liquid lecithin
    1/2 t. xanthan gum
    1/4 t. guar gum
    4 egg yolks, beaten

    Sprinkle xanthan gum/guar gum into cream/milk while whisking vigorously. Bring milk/cream to a boil, remove from heat and let cool for 5 min. In a separate bowl combine erythritol and polyd and mix well. While whisking vigorously, slowly pour the erythritol/polyd into the milk/cream. Whisk eggs vigorously in a separate bowl until pale. Temper the eggs by very slowly pouring in about 1/3 of the milk into the eggs while whisking vigorously. Then whisk the egg mixture into the milk/cream. Heat everything in a double boiler, using a silicon spatula to stir the mixture constantly until it coats the back of a spoon.



    Take off heat/remove bowl from water and continue stirring a minute or two while it cools. Strain.

    Chill in a sealed container. Follow ice cream maker directions. Makes 2 medium-sized batches of ice cream in a 1qt. ice cream maker.

    This is an unflavored base. Vanilla/Vanilla bean is an obvious addition, as are low carb fruits, peanut butter, chocolate, you name it.

    Notes

    Ideally, the polyd shouldn't clump if you pour it slowly and whisk vigorously. Small clumps should melt during the cooking process but large ones may not. If you do end up with large clumps, it won't the end of the world- they'll end up being strained out.

    The combination of sweeteners, the ratio of polyd to erythritol, the ratio of erythritol to the other ingredients, the quantity of glycerin- these have all been carefully researched and thought out. If you don't have all the ingredients on hand, I'd either track them down or make another recipe. The only slightly optional ingredient in this is the lecithin. If you don't have it on hand, the lecithin in the eggs might be enough to emulsify this recipe.

    Eventually I plan on working some specialized ingredients into this recipe such as carageenan (seaweed extracted gum) and possibly milk proteins such as casein, along with a better tasting emulsifier than liquid lecithin.

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    The polyd (or in your case inulin) is indispensible for:

    adding thickness to the base (so it whips up more in the ice cream machine)
    adding sugary texture/slight amount of chewiness
    helping lowering the freezing point for a more scoopable/smoother ice cream
    preventing the erythritol from crystallizing/having a cooling effect
    helping to emulsify the milkfat and the water in the milk/cream to create smaller ice crystals

    Unfortunately inulin isn't that great of a freezing point depressor, so to obtain the right amount of scoopability, other ingredients are necessary. Erythritol happens to be an extremely powerful freezing point depressor and glycerin is not too bad either.

    Other than ice cream... An inulin syrup is pretty much a carbon copy for unsweetened corn syrup. The only thing better at providing sugary texture than inulin/polyd are sugar alcohols. As much as I applaud metamucil for offering pure inulin to the public (hopefully at a competitive price), it really doesn't need to be hidden in food like medicine. Polyd can be used to make just about any dessert. The exact same thing goes for inulin. Adding faux corn syrup to chili, is, imo, kind of silly when you can use it for dessert and make something that will blow your mind. Inulin brownies... whoah... look out. You want a chewy brownie? This is what you use.

    Btw, both inulin and polyd are at least close relatives of the polysaccharides found in beans, if not one in the same (I'm still researching it), so you might want to go easy on it your first few times and see how your body reacts. Gas seems to be the biggest complaint, which is fairly benign when you compare it to the much more violent reactions to sugar alcohols. Like beans, sensitivities should fade with everyday use, although I've run into one or two people who can't tolerate it... period.
    Last edited by scott123; August 10, 2006, 12:59 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

      They are the same polysaccharides in beans, jerusalem artichokes and some other veggies that are escaping my mind. In fact, that's why I bought it. Inulin has been associated with stabilizing blood sugar, lowering LDL cholesterol and it's also a "prebiotic" for the good gut bacteria. But I also remembered seeing inulin added as an ingredient for some low carb products....

      I'll have to experiment with "cooking" the Fibersure as an active ingredient, and not some sneaky way to add fiber to stew.

      Currently, I mix a teaspoon into my cottage cheese or into my mint tea. It is...ummm....interesting. It took my system about a week to get used to it at its lowest dose.
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      • #4
        Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

        This is absolutely fascinating, using and combining different sweeteners has been my latest mission and this conversation is definitely a wealth of knowledge.

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        • #5
          Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

          Dots, I've used other fiber supplements like Benefiber (hydrolyzed guar gum) for some things, like as a "thickener/stabilizer" for those Atkins Revolution Rolls. It doesn't "thicken" like flour or cornstarch, but it gives just enough body to the liquid. It's been awhile, but I've made faux potato pancakes with grated turnips and a teaspoon or two of Benefiber mixed into the egg and turnip mixture. Again, it sorta (but not quite) mimicks the flour that is traditionally used. I also made some fried faux-tato sticks with a combo of the Benefiber and powdered eggwhite. They gave the fauxtatoes enough body so it held together while frying.
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          • #6
            Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

            Megs, Inulin is the ingredient in the Dreamfields pasta.

            Dreamfields also contains a special fiber called Inulin, that has been shown scientifically to promote digestive health and support a healthy immune system, while enhancing calcium absorption for strong bones and teeth.

            It touts a 5 net carb label and from all the testing we have done with it here, there has never been a spike, in fact......... Mr. B's readings are always low after eating it. 2bigs suggested it may take longer to react, but we have tested at many different intervals and never any bad results.
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            • #7
              Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

              Bren , Fibersure has 6 total carbs, 5 fiber grams for a 1 teaspoon serving. I didn't add it to my regimen for the blood sugar or cholesterol effects, but more for the prebiotic effect.

              It took about a week for my system to get used to it. But it finally has
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              • #8
                Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                Originally posted by not2late
                They are the same polysaccharides in beans, jerusalem artichokes and some other veggies that are escaping my mind.
                Thanks for confirming that. A few people have asked me if beano would help the gas issues that some people experience with polyd/inulin. I've told them that it would prevent gas, but at the same time, it would break down the polysaccharides and make them digestible, thus increasing the carb impact dramatically.

                What I'm wondering at the moment, though, is what actually happens when people develop a tolerance to beans? I'm pretty sure that when people drink milk more regularly, their bodies create more of the lactose digesting enzyme lactase. If regular polysaccharide consumption generates additional polysaccharide digesting enzymes... we may have a problem carb impact wise.

                Btw, I'm not sure how fibersure is labeled, but, in case you weren't aware of it, inulin has trace fructose carbs. Manufacturers have fought a pretty large legal battle in an attempt to define polymerized sugars (inulin/polyd) as fiber on nutritional labeling, but I don't think they've won it yet. Both inulin and polyd clock in at around 90% fiber, a little moisture, and about 6% residual sugar.

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                • #9
                  Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                  I just picked up Sweetleaf http://www.sweetleaf.com/ . The ingredients are Frutafit® Inulin Fiber (FOS), Stevia Extract (standardized to a minimum of 90% Steviosides, including 40% Rebaudiosides A.) Apparently there are flavors also. I enjoy kitchen chemistry.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                    Originally posted by scott123

                    Btw, I'm not sure how fibersure is labeled, but, in case you weren't aware of it, inulin has trace fructose carbs. Manufacturers have fought a pretty large legal battle in an attempt to define polymerized sugars (inulin/polyd) as fiber on nutritional labeling, but I don't think they've won it yet. Both inulin and polyd clock in at around 90% fiber, a little moisture, and about 6% residual sugar.
                    Ingredients read 100% inulin (natural plant fiber).

                    Nutritional info is 1 serving = 1 teaspoon, 6 total bars, 5 fiber grams.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                      Okay Scott and Megs, I've got some of this inulin (Fibersure) and now I need some ideas on what to do with it.

                      I've added it to my whey protein shake with the Davinci Syrup, it really helps the texture.

                      Scott, I'd really be interested in those brownies you hinted at! I've been VERY unsuccessful at making ANYTHING chocolate that wasn't inedible because of being bitter. And, frankly, I've been avoiding candies/bars and things I'm not making at home.

                      Once I learn how to use it...I can probably come up with recipes on my own...but this is new territory for me.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                        Hi,

                        I found out the hard way about inulin! My body can't handle it no matter what! I too used to use powdered sweetleaf stevia and finally figured out that it was the FOS inulin that was making me run to the bathroom! My students could hear my intestines gurgling HOURS after eating something I had used the stevia in . I now stick to stevia with no inulin and am careful to read all ingredients before I order something (to have shipped to Japan).

                        Anyone else have the problem? My body never got used to it!
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                        • #13
                          Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                          Originally posted by ValidRouge
                          Scott, I'd really be interested in those brownies you hinted at! I've been VERY unsuccessful at making ANYTHING chocolate that wasn't inedible because of being bitter. And, frankly, I've been avoiding candies/bars and things I'm not making at home.
                          Joy, splenda has bitterness issues with chocolate. Splenda only sweetened chocolate desserts are pretty vile, imo. If you want a decent lc chocolate dessert, seek out one with multiple sweeteners.

                          My brownie recipe requires other specialty ingredients besides inulin. If you can track them down, I promise that this will be one of the best lc desserts you've ever had. Here is the recipe. Just sub inulin for the polydextrose.

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                          This is a slightly tweaked version of two similar brownie recipes authored by Jackieba and Makeupmonsterdog. Other forums have started calling them 'orgasmic brownies.' They're better than any brownie I've ever made, including high carb ones.

                          Scott's Brownies

                          Wet

                          1 stick butter (regular/lightly salted)
                          2 ounces Nestle's unsweetened chocolate

                          2 large eggs
                          1/2 teaspoon vanilla
                          1 packet Sweet One Ace-K
                          13 drops sweetzfree (1/2 C. splenda equivalent)

                          Dry

                          1/2 cup Carbalose flour 50 g
                          1 cup polydextrose 180 g
                          1/4 cup granular erythritol 54 g

                          1/2 C. Chopped Pecans (optional)

                          Preheat the oven to 275 degrees. Butter an 8x8 pan.

                          In a large glass bowl, melt butter and chocolate in microwave, stirring every 20 seconds. Make sure chocolate is completely melted. Let chocolate cool briefly, then mix in remaining wet ingredients, whisking in eggs last.

                          Combine dry ingredients in a separate bowl. Whisk thoroughly to break up any clumps of carbalose. Slowly pour dry into wet while stirring. Fold in nuts if using.

                          Pour batter into pan and pound on counter a few times to get as much air out as possible.

                          Bake 80-90 minutes at 275. 20 minutes past when a toothpick comes out clean.

                          Cut into 6 squares. Let cool on wire rack. Store in an airtight container.

                          Notes

                          Nestle's unsweetened chocolate is far superior to Baker's brand.

                          This makes a dense moist brownie. For those that like their brownies on the fudgey side,

                          Bake 30-35 minutes at 325.

                          Excess air will make these brownies cakey rather than dense. The ingredients need to be well mixed, but try not to overmix/incorporate too much air. Don't be afraid to give the batter a good pounding before it goes in the oven.

                          The sweetener in this comes out about 1 1/4 cups. Multiple sweeteners are essential to the success of the recipe. For those that like stevia (I much prefer ace k), a packet of steviaplus can be subbed for the ace k.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                            Scott - do you have a suggestion for a replacement of the Carbalose flour ?
                            I dont know if we can get that in UK.
                            Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
                            Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



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                            • #15
                              Re: Chemistry 2: Inulin

                              Elizellen, in the UK, carbalose can be purchased from the low carb megastore. The main page is here:


                              And the link for carbalose is here:



                              What I'm not sure you'll be able to obtain is the inulin. Can you get pure inulin/frutafit/fructofibre in the UK? And how about erythritol?

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