chocolate microwavable muffins!!

[pstansel]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

Honestly... I ate it more because I needed to get some additional fat/carbs. I hate cheese, I was at my daily veggie limit, I'd had my 1/2 an avacado, and I couldn't stand the thought of yet another egg (already had 4 yesterday!). I tend towards too much protein

[james_brooks]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

I feel like you are all having a go at me now!!!

If I can be disciplined and eat a small jello and 1 little chocolate truffle a day (cocoa, splenda, cream) and it is not detrimental to my weight loss, then what is the problem?

Is your issue that you think it IS detrimental to my weight loss (too many carbs?), or is it simply because you like sticking to the book by the letter, and even though it doesnt go against the principle, its not on the induction safe list and so therefore shouldnt be eaten (even though it has no bad effect).

[liv]

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I am not sure I think 2 tbs is minimal amounts. When I use spice I cannot say I add 2 tbs to a portion. This seems like an excuse to eat something that is not legal on induction.

I think James that one of my issues would be how to measure success. Perhaps it is true that you can lose eating this or that but can you really stick to the diet in the long run if the only thing you learn from induction is to take short cuts. I think for some people what would result is what I would call a "shortcut to the slippery slope" I have been on the slippery slope and I have gained weight still thinking I am doing Atkins. But really I have allowed myself all kinds of stuff.

Speaking about myself still - I do better when I follow the plan. And I can lose great on induction if I am very strict. No sweeteners, no crap, plenty of veggies, eggs, meat, fish and water and that is that.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

I feel like you are all having a go at me now!!!

If I can be disciplined and eat a small jello and 1 little chocolate truffle a day (cocoa, splenda, cream) and it is not detrimental to my weight loss, then what is the problem?

Is your issue that you think it IS detrimental to my weight loss (too many carbs?), or is it simply because you like sticking to the book by the letter, and even though it doesnt go against the principle, its not on the induction safe list and so therefore shouldnt be eaten (even though it has no bad effect).

We follow DANDR 2002 rather strictly here at ADBB. It works for us.

If you've decided that a chocolate truffle and a small jello everyday is acceptable on Atkins, then that's what you've decided.

James, you asked the question, "Is this suitable for Induction."

When someone asks a question, it's assumed they want an answer.

If you didn't want an answer, then why ask the question? Or is it that you didn't get the answer YOU wanted. Again, why ask the question then?

Then you asked, "would it be so wrong to enjoy a bit of cocoa as long as it doesnt lead to eating bad things?"

And people asked you if it was on the Acceptable List of Induction foods. Again, you didn't get the answer you wanted.

It's hard to know at this point if it's "wrong".

I will say that I don't see many people being success with Atkins long term when they start out their Induction phase by bargaining with food ... thinking that eating something that isn't legal is ok for them.

The old "the rules don't apply to me" thinking!

Rule #5 of Induction says:

"5. Eat nothing that is not on the acceptable foods list. And that means absolutely nothing! Your "just this one taste won't hurt" rationalization is the kiss of failure during this phase of Atkins."

Again, you're an adult, so you can follow or ignore.

The first page of Chapter 11 states:

"Induction is designed to do all of the following for you: ...

"Break addictions to foods such as sugar, wheat or corn derivatives, alcohol, caffeine, grain or any other food. For people addicted to sugary, high-carb or high-glycemic foods just as for alcoholics-moderation simply does not work."

What you're choosing to do with your jello and truffles isn't likely to help you accomplish that.

Again ... your choice.

In addition to your jello and truffle, how did you do on vegetables?

[cleochatra]

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I've contacted 2big to find out what she knows about unsweetened cocoa powder on induction. Hopefully she'll chime in soon. I've always thought it to be 2 Tbsp, used not every day, kind of like flax.

[liv]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

Thanks Cleo.

[Georgiana]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

In none of the Atkins books I've read is cocoa mentioned as a spice. But if anyone actually has a reference for that...

There was definitely no 2-tablespoon limit set by Dr. Atkins for cocoa during Induction... and, as Liv wrote, I can't think of any other spice of which I use 1 tablespoon per serving.

[2big4mysize]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

I've contacted 2big to find out what she knows about unsweetened cocoa powder on induction. Hopefully she'll chime in soon. I've always thought it to be 2 Tbsp, used not every day, kind of like flax.

Gee thanks Cleo.

DANDR induction sample menu page 234 Friday's snack is mocha granita as the snack and the recipe for it could be found on the atkins website

and it contains 1/3 of a cup (16 teaspoons worth) and was 6 servings so that would be 2 and 2/3s teaspoons per serving

that would make at least that much induction legal.

I wouldn't go tablespoons as that is a lot of cocoa

BTW there is no size limit on flax in induction reread that rule 12.

[Georgiana]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

mocha granita as the snack and the recipe for it could be found on the atkins website

and it contains 1/3 of a cup (16 teaspoons worth) and was 6 servings so that would be 2 and 2/3s teaspoons per serving

that would make at least that much induction legal.

If one does Induction for more than 2 weeks, then yes. Cocoa goes into the nuts & seeds category.

But for the first two weeks, I don't agree with what you are saying.

If we are to follow the sample menu in DANDR 2002, then one would also be allowed to eat some nuts in the first two weeks of Induction, since there is zucchini nut bread on the Sunday menu.

[atkinsgal08]

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>> DANDR induction sample menu page 234>>

Chapter 18.

The page number doesn't work for every edition!

How ironic that Friday's breakfast includes cottage cheese, which we know isn't allowed on Induction!

This must be a holdover from an earlier edition ... bad editing? (again?)

[2big4mysize]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

yep chapter 18 seems to follow 1992 rules and not 2002 but it is part of DANDR 2002 so if one sets rules by DANDR 2002 then one has to allow for what is in the book and we can't act as Martin Luther did and rip out the section we disagree with.
Chapter 18 rules don't have the same rule 5 has chapter 11 induction does

[atkinsgal08]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

So are you saying that cottage cheese is allowed on Induction if one is using the hardcover, but not if one is using the paperback, since the paperback has "cream cheese"?

>> Chapter 18 rules don't have the same rule 5 has chapter 11 induction does>>

And this doesn't seem like bad editing?

[pstansel]

Re: chocolate microwavable muffins!!

Well that's clear as mud But at least now I know why there's so much confusion. I guess I'm going to assume that a teaspoon here and there isn't the end of the world (and is about 1.4 net carbs) but I shouldn't be putting it on everything every day (not that I was...)

And now I'm confused about flax!

[james_brooks]

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It all does seem rather messy. I am just going to pretend this never happened!

[Georgiana]

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And now I'm confused about flax!

Have you read this:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-low-carb-dieting-faqs/60828-flax-fiber-use-during-induction.html