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  • #16
    Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

    Jace and Eric (and the world....)

    Here is an excerpt from a private conversation I had on here the other day with another member. I think it touches a bit on what you've each said, and maybe, it'll help someone else.

    Eric, I'm glad you're one of those "open containers" I refer to in this upcoming post...willing to listen, willing to be open and accept advice from those who do care that you succeed and you make lasting change in your life.

    I read the main boards every day. Most days I don't participate because I just can't take it. Today, I'm feeling a little introspective. I told this to another member once, but I use "those" people to my advantage. I watch what they do, see how they fail and then try to take a good hard look at myself and how I am using those same excuses and behaviors. I try to use it to my advantage instead of letting it get me too down.

    This maintenance stuff is hard. You know it. I know it. The majority of people will likely NEVER know it. Neither will they know what it feels like to look good after looking like a cow your whole life. The pride, the sexiness, the HEALTH that comes with it. The sense of empowerment that it gives you, the tools you learn to apply in other areas of your life when you decide to make other changes.

    Use them, <<edited name out>>. I don't even pay that much attention to a name anymore. They have to REALLY become determined for me to notice them. Jess once told me to pour myself into OPEN containers. Most of the time people don't like my blunt style. Frankly, I don't care anymore. I'm doing what I have to do to be successful. I do the best I can to give advice to those people on here who really are trying and who are willing to accept the advice for what it is, a helping hand.

    I used to get my feelings hurt when others around here would jump all over me as being insensitive. Ahh, it's just the opposite. I feel me being quiet and saying nothing is a much more insensitive action on my part rather than when I put myself out there to offer someone who is struggling some sound advice. Can't help it if it is supportive of what their body needs, not what their head/addiction wants to hear. When they are ready to listen their body will tell them the exact things I'm saying. Maybe one day, tomorrow, next week, next year, if they're desperate enough, they might remember something one of us has said and give it a try. That's the best we can hope for.

    I'm surrounded by people like this in my real life. It's to the point that I just can't take being around them. I truly think they DO NOT want to hear reality. They want the excuse and only the excuse. Many of them will go from person to person to person (board to board to board) asking the same question until they get ONE post that supports the answer they already have their heart set on. They'll lash out pretty hard to anyone who gives them the advice they KNOW deep down is right, but isn't what they want to hear.

    Pray for them, I guess. But, remember this....you won't catch me EVER excusing a cheat. You won't catch me EVER telling someone it's okay to eat this or eat that when they are struggling. I'm not saying it to be dictatorial, I'm not saying it to be bossy, or a know-it-all. Not at all. I say it because, I TOO am an addict. I deal every day with the same desires and addiction as the rest of them. I say it to reinforce it to myself more than I say it to help them. It's possible that 99% of what I say falls on deaf ears "out there", but 100% of it is said from my soul for the reason of keeping myself grounded and centered and real.

    I'm having a lot of struggles these days in my personal, professional, and student life. A lot. But I haven't let it become a reason for giving up on myself. Anyway, thanks for spilling your guts...it gave me the impetus I needed to vent a little too.
    ~Joy

    Start 1/2/06 Goal 6/11/07 restart 1/2/09
    268.5/196/185
    QUIT SMOKING JULY 23, 2006 while on Atkins


    Just when you think you've eaten enough vegetables...EAT SOME MORE!
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    • #17
      Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

      Wow, that's good stuff Rouge. I think I'm going to have to check out your Journal Chat. I've shied away from the chats because it seems like they require too much of an investment in time, but if the content is half as inspiring it would be well worth it!
      Eric

      Age: 38
      Height: 6' 1"
      Round 1: 6/08 - 11/08 (SW 270 / LW 223)
      Round 2: July 19, 2009
      SW 254.5 / CW 242 / GW 210

      Keep your eyes focused on the prize!

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      • #18
        Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

        All..I really think this is a great thread. I am on day 15 of induction, staying on for awhile due to the amount of weight I have to lose AND I am not bored with the food.

        I have not cheated, because if I did, I know it would be downhill. I also have a food addiction, I would eat when sad..when happy..etc.

        I am not saying I am perfect, instead I am DETERMINED!! I like having my husband comment about my butt shrinking

        Anyway, thanks for posting this!!


        SW: 212 (July 24)
        CW: 191 - restart Nov 2, 2009
        GW: 145



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        • #19
          Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

          Thanks for sharing that Joy!

          The "deaf ears" part is the biggest problem. Certainly people are going to fumble and fall, it's to be expected while trying to break any addiction. Food is, arguably, the hardest addiction to break since you can't just give it up cold turkey, we have to learn to live with it but far too many people purposely set themselves up for failure by stubbornly refusing to give up the foods that are going to trip them up.

          Too many people complain about being stalled, or having fell off the wagon but just won't give up that pot of coffee, can of diet soda or alcoholic beverage that is holding them back. When someone points out the problem they'll get defensive and it becomes all too clear that they really didn't post looking for help, they came merely to get an answer that they wanted to hear. When you can't, in good conscience, give them the answer they want...why bother posting?

          It's all so...frustrating But, when someone comes looking for help and is really working hard to change their lives and willing to do what it takes...it makes their posts all the more refreshing and response inspiring!

          is the best Atkins related support group anyone will ever find, I just hope people utilize it to change their lives rather than just use it to complain that Atkins isn't working because "I can't give up that one glass of vodka and it has never stalled me before!"

          All the best!

          ~Far la bella figura!
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          March 2009

          Start Date: Feb. 1st, 2006
          Goal Reached: Nov. 25th, 2006
          Age: 25 male
          Height: 6' 3"
          Waist: 29" (was 44")
          BMI: 18.7 (down from 35.6)
          Starting Weight: 285
          Current Weight: 155 (130lb lost)
          Goal Weight: 175




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          • #20
            Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

            I have to say that when I ate pizza and pasta this week (I'm past 14 day induction but still eating on the induction plan) that I posted it hoping for some tought love. Hoping for what I have read here. I got that from a few people *most of whom are in this post as well* but mostly, I just got a lot of it's okay you'll be okay. I even got a private message from someone who told me that if I am going to succeed at all then every once in a while I have to cheat. WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? Did I read that right "BonnieRose, I know it's tough when you mess up like eating that pizza/pasta, however sometimes you have to cheat in order to survive. If you were never going to have pizza crusts or pasta again, you'd eventually want it so bad you'd binge and quit... So don't worry about being perfect. Messing up is human nature. Good lujck in the future! Regards, ___________"

            I have to say that this message ALMOST got me... but thanks to you Eric it didn't..... Induction or extended induciton, I am still on induction. I still have to follow the rules.

            Thanks!!!
            Have a Beautiful Day

            :unitedstaBonnie Rose:unitedsta

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            SW: 230
            CW: 220
            GW: 110


            MAIN GOALS
            - 10 lbs by July 28th *Dr's appt w/ endo* GOAL MET!!! :dancing1
            - 23 lbs Oct 1st
            - 45 lbs Jan 1st
            - 75 lbs by May 13th, 2009 *my 3rd anniversary*
            - 110 lbs by Hawaii Trip sometime in August 2009

            CURRENT STAGE:
            Extended Induction:


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            • #21
              Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

              It boils down to how we approach Atkins.

              For me, it is a life change, a new beginning. Cheating is not an option.

              Along with flipping my metabolism switch to fat burning (ketosis) the switch in my brain has been switched from saying 'what diet can I lose on' to saying 'what life changes can I make to become healthy and whole?'

              I am master of what I put into my mouth.

              I am not a slave to the temptation.

              Its all me, every day, every hour, every minute.

              I am chosing to be aware of everything I put into my mouth. Being unconsious is why I ended up tipping the scale at 299 lbs... being aware is why I have to date lost 55lbs.

              I am responsible.

              NOTHING IS WORTH GETTING OUT OF KETOSIS. Not for me at least.

              Atkins works, I am shedding fat and inches, getting fit; Why would I want to affect that progress even in the slightest way for the taste of a teaspoon of ketchup on my tongue? FORGET IT!!!!!!!

              Thanks for the great thread Eric... and all the great responses!!!!!

              Kathy
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              SW: 299lbs/ CW: 235lbs/ GW: 160
              The bird a nest,
              the spider a web,
              man~ friendship.
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              • #22
                Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                Amen to this thread, Eric!

                Jace and Joy, you know I wholeheartedly agree with your posts. I'm of the school of "tough love" too, and most of the time I don't even bother posting anymore, since my response is not likely to be mushy or forgiving or what anybody wants to hear.

                I get so annoyed when posters claim "I am doing this 100%, I am so strict." Then they list their menu and they're subsisting on pork rinds and cheese and vodka tonics. I get annoyed with people who say they work 8-hour days and have "no time to exercise". I get annoyed with people who say "I'm giving up caffiene because it's causing problems" and then the next day say "I needed this <insert caffeinated beverage here> today an I'll quit tomorrow".

                Crikey. It all comes down to something my dad says: $hit or get off the pot.

                I've figured out that I don't care if people think I'm a party pooper or a purist or dogmatic. I've had success following Atkins THE RIGHT WAY. I know what works.
                START 8/16/06 @ 270+~MG1: 220-12/2/06~MG2: 210-1/07~MG3: 199-3/2/07~MG4: 190-4/27/07~MG5: 180-7/04/07~GOAL: 170
                RESTART 11/2/09 @ 224.6~MG1: 215~MG2: 210~MG3: 205~MG4: 199~MG5: 195~MG6: 190~MG7: 185~GOAL: 180

                F / 28 / 5'8" FITDAY

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                • #23
                  Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                  Now its time for me to chime in. . .

                  Eric, you wrote exactly what was about to drive me away from this BB forever (I didn't say it was going to drive me from this WOL). It is SOOOOOOOO discouraging to read every other thread say, "Oops, I did it again.......Need to restart......Help I am eating a load of crap!" There are a lot of forums that I stay away from because I do not want to hear that everyone is cheating and having to start over. I am making major sacrifices EVERYDAY because I want to be successful. I do not need anything causing me to lose focus.

                  I had grown so tired of this 'happy-go-luck, it'll be alright' kind of tolerance of people doing the wrong thing. Let's face it, if you have committed to following the Atkins' WOL then eating something that is unacceptable is doing the wrong thing.

                  People need someone who will be straight forward with them. Just like Bonnie Rose was talking about, allowing others to skate by after they succomb to temptation is enough to discourage anybody. We are here to motivate and help each other! When we sit by and read about others saying they messed up and do not hold them accountable to the decision they made, WE are to blame for their failure!

                  Trust me, I do not believe we should pull out the rocket launcher and blow the folks away with our corrective recommendations. What I am saying is that we must be honest enough with our knowledge of DANDR and the established rules of this WOL to let them know that they can overcome times of temptation and be successful.

                  Like I mentioned in a post on yesterday, you have to STOP & THINK when you are faced with the choice of eating off plan and going the extra mile to stay focused. Think about how long it will take to get back in the groove after eating off plan foods.

                  Furthermore, cheating is probably the thing that has brought all of us to this BB and this WOL, at one time or another. It can be had to restict or limit things we like but the simple fact is that WITHOUT SACRIFICE, THERE IS NO SUCCESS! That is true in all parts of our lives.

                  Regards,
                  - Minofex1
                  HW385/SW366/CW306/GW250
                  37 YOM 6'2"
                  Start: 7/10/08

                  Goal 1: 340 (7/17) Goal 2: 330 (7/31)
                  Goal 3: 320 MET - 8/12/08 - 319 lbs.
                  Goal 4: 310 MET - 10/13/08 - 307 lbs.
                  Mini goal: 305 lbs. Met on 11/11/08
                  Goal 5: 300 MET - 2/3/09 - 299 lbs.
                  Goal 6: 280





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                  • #24
                    Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                    .....
                    Last edited by BonnieRose16; August 8, 2008, 11:21 AM.
                    Have a Beautiful Day

                    :unitedstaBonnie Rose:unitedsta

                    Created by MyFitnessPal.com - Free Calorie Counter




                    SW: 230
                    CW: 220
                    GW: 110


                    MAIN GOALS
                    - 10 lbs by July 28th *Dr's appt w/ endo* GOAL MET!!! :dancing1
                    - 23 lbs Oct 1st
                    - 45 lbs Jan 1st
                    - 75 lbs by May 13th, 2009 *my 3rd anniversary*
                    - 110 lbs by Hawaii Trip sometime in August 2009

                    CURRENT STAGE:
                    Extended Induction:


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                    • #25
                      Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                      Can any of you honestly say that you have NEVER been in the position of any of the other people you speak of that start and stop , start and stop? I mean really, did you just wake up one day fat and then decide oh I'm going to lose this weight and I'm going to be successful the first time around? The majority of us have been fighting this for years and years. We are learning people! We make mistakes but we learn from them. And who is to say that any of you won't be in one of these other peoples shoes in the future? Sure, you are losing the weight, sure you have a great attitude about being successful doing it but do you really think that you are now immune? If we got here once we can certainly get here twice. We are all newbies in some aspect of our lives. It's all about learning and in the end we are all capable of getting it right. And you know something else.. sometimes you can get your message across with some compassion. Sometimes people just need to realize and be told that you don't have to kick this to the curb because you screwed up. You can pick yourself up and move on from screwing up. And then, next time you will know better and do better. And if it's a swift kick in the *** you are looking for, ask for it because I think you should be treated with compassion first. This is NOT easy. IF it were we would NOT have the obesity epidemic that we have. Losing weight and getting healthy is so much more about a healthy mind than what we put in our mouth. The food for many people is a symptom of bigger things. We have to work through both to be successful. The people that think they have this down to perfection, I really hope you do because one day you could be eating a lot of crow or you will just disappear from these boards out of embarrassment.




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                      -Fullest part of chest 41 1/2 inches
                      -Ribcage 35 inches
                      -Waist 34 1/2 inches
                      -Hips 44 inches
                      -Upper arm left 14 inches
                      -Upper arm right 13 1/2 inches
                      -Thigh left 25 inches
                      -Thigh right 25 inches
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                      • #26
                        Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                        Don't get me wrong -- I certainly believe in compassion and I understand that mistakes can be made (and recovered from). However, my perception of late is that there has been a lot of lovey-dovey responses and giving feedback with all comfort and no criticism. I'm simply looking for a balance and asking if members are looking to succeed or looking to fail. If you want to succeed, then constantly being told that failure is OK won't get you there.

                        I specifically started a new thread to address this rather than respond similarly to one of the umpteen posts I'm speaking about. I thought the generic approach would be the compassionate approach. If a person can't see the compassion "between the lines" of the tough love crowd, then he's missing the purpose of what caring is all about!
                        Eric

                        Age: 38
                        Height: 6' 1"
                        Round 1: 6/08 - 11/08 (SW 270 / LW 223)
                        Round 2: July 19, 2009
                        SW 254.5 / CW 242 / GW 210

                        Keep your eyes focused on the prize!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                          I kind of agree with Trisan myself.
                          I think sometimes people who succeeds in something like "stopping to smoke" turns into the biggest anti-smokers because they personally need a certain obsessiveness to break a habit as hard to break as that and this carries over to their smoke free existence. Not all people are like that. Some people employ different strategies in order to find and stick to the right path. This may just need a different approach by those who help as well.
                          I had a very flawed beginning to Atkins - when someone new comes to board and eats "wrong" stuff, I believe I understand where they are coming from and even if it is repeating myself over and over again sometimes I do not mind spending my board time pointing out that they are not doing it by the book. I needed that kind of help when I came here. I got it. I am just giving it back.

                          On the other hand, people that are deliberately trying to include things in their diet even if it is not "on the list" and do not intend to change, I have less patience with. I love the "by the book" attitude of ADBB.

                          I think for those who get tired of continuing to give the same advice, that is understandable. There are other great ways to help people too: by posting pictures or starting cool topics (like this one) or just being inspirational by their dedication. That is very important too.
                          Startdate: November 18, 2007. Female 5'2"

                          May Challenges 2010
                          Push-ups: 450/800
                          Abs: 850/1900
                          Squats: 650/1200
                          Lunges: 500/1000
                          Strength: 490/1200
                          Running: 50/100 km


                          2 Years on Atkins.................. President Challenge Medals earned

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                          • #28
                            Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                            Whoa, whoa.......I think this is being a little bit blown out of proportion. Compassion is the given in all of this. If we all were not compassionate for others, there would probably be no posts on this BB. Being straightforward to people when they post that they have fallen off the plan is the definition of compassion. There is no reason that message cannot be conveyed in a kind way. No question! The main thing is that it be said. I do not think anyone alluded to being mean and discourteous to our fellow members. (I am not saying that was anyone’s words) I did not see any mention or impression given in any of the comments that seemed as if someone was being self-righteous, either.

                            My take is for everyone to use all of the information available, make better decisions and continue to work on you. That is all we can ask from ourselves and hope for others. BUT, continue to add value to the lives of each member on this BB by offering your opinions, solutions and salutations!

                            Regards,
                            - Minofex1
                            HW385/SW366/CW306/GW250
                            37 YOM 6'2"
                            Start: 7/10/08

                            Goal 1: 340 (7/17) Goal 2: 330 (7/31)
                            Goal 3: 320 MET - 8/12/08 - 319 lbs.
                            Goal 4: 310 MET - 10/13/08 - 307 lbs.
                            Mini goal: 305 lbs. Met on 11/11/08
                            Goal 5: 300 MET - 2/3/09 - 299 lbs.
                            Goal 6: 280





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                            • #29
                              Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                              Just repeating what's been said earlier...we're not talking about the people here who have slips. ****, I have had slips, cheats, eaten off plan intentionally, accidently...whatever. But it's not an excuse to continue eating that way. It doesn't give license to start making up my own rules.

                              I'm also not saying that if something happens that a person does eat off plan,...who cares what the reason was...that they can't get right back to the plan and be consistent with it for extended amounts of time. I can't in good conscience say it's okay to cheat over and over and over again. It's not. It's not healthy for your body (insulin), it's not healthy for your mind (guilt, anger, and all the emotional stuff that comes with this ADDICTION).

                              I invite anyone to come see for themselves what this journey has been like for me. Battling obesity and addiction is HARD. And, I'll give you a little further tidbit...maintenance is HARDER! If you can't make it through just two weeks of even a semi-clean induction, I honestly don't know how the **** you're going to make it for the long haul.
                              ~Joy

                              Start 1/2/06 Goal 6/11/07 restart 1/2/09
                              268.5/196/185
                              QUIT SMOKING JULY 23, 2006 while on Atkins


                              Just when you think you've eaten enough vegetables...EAT SOME MORE!
                              http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=ride2joy

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                              • #30
                                Re: Heed Rule #5 of Induction

                                Originally posted by Jace View Post
                                Lately it seems as though most of the posts in the induction and main diet forums could be answered simply with the question "If you can't commit to following the plan properly for 14 days, what makes you think you're going to be able to sustain this for the rest of your life?"....that's much of the reason I don't post as often anymore...saying the same thing over and over again to people is depressing and most don't want to hear it...so I just throw my hands up in defeat.

                                I really think it's no coincidence that the long term weight loss success stories on this board are the same people that stress doing it by the book (and, unfortunately, get deried as purists for calling people out on their less that stellar adherence to Dr. Atkins' plan).

                                ~Far la bella figura!
                                Being called a purist is way nicer than what I and the other members of the 100% Pure Atkins thread on eDiets were called! We were lovingly (yeah, right) called Atkins Nazis. We were called this by members that had been 'doing Atkins' for as much as 4 years and had lost 6 pounds, I kid you not!
                                People who say it can't be done, should not interrupt those doing it.


                                "Some men give up their designs when they have almost reached the goal; While others, on the contrary, obtain a victory by exerting, at the last moment, more vigorous efforts than ever before."
                                ~~Herodotus


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