What Gives?

[kingsfan09]

Re: What Gives?

Oh ya. Pagliaccia, I'm male, so no TOM for me .

[pagliaccia]

Re: What Gives?

Haha, sorry about that! Two more questions:

1) How tall are you?
2) I didn't see you mention how much water you're drinking daily. If you had to guess, how much would you say? Are you drinking anything in addition to water?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: What Gives?

>>By diet, I simply was refering to the "induction phase".>>

Maybe ... just maybe, you're "abusing" Induction?

And when you wrote you were "carb cycling", what exactly do you mean by that?

You seem to have spent a lot of time doing various different things ... and maybe your body is simply confused ... and just waiting for you to move on to the next thing ...

Just a thought.

J.

[not2late]

Re: What Gives?

>>By diet, I simply was refering to the "induction phase".>>

Maybe ... just maybe, you're "abusing" Induction?

And when you wrote you were "carb cycling", what exactly do you mean by that?

You seem to have spent a lot of time doing various different things ... and maybe your body is simply confused ... and just waiting for you to move on to the next thing ...

Just a thought.

J.

After reading this thread, I have to agree with atkinsgal.

Dr. Atkins specifically discourages yo-yoing between Atkins and higher carb diets because " it's likely that your metabolism will adapt at a certain point---in a sense, developing a tolerance. People who repeatedly regain weight and go back to induction sometimes find that they do not experience the dramatic and easy weight loss they initially enjoyed. Add in the fact that noe of us are getting any younger and our metabolism's natuarl tendency is to slow down with passing years. Finally, your body pays a price healthwise if you dramatically switch back and forth repeatedly from a fat-burning to a glucose-burning metabolism" (DANDR 2002 Chapter 17 LifeTime Maintenance, subsection Uses and Abuses of Induction)

And frankly, when you are on Maintenance Atkins, you can eat just about anything provided you don't exceed your CCLM and you aren't sensitive to the food. I'm on Pre-Maintenance, and if I choose I can eat a order of fries or a slice of pizza. So I don't quite understand why you would need to "carb cycle" during Maintenance, since Induction Phase is the only Atkins phase that prohibits higher carb food groups and higher carb amounts.

[kingsfan09]

Re: What Gives?

Whatever...I give up!

Again, I've been doing Atkins for over 9 years, and have done induction probably 3 times before. This works out to be roughly once every 3 years. This is hardly "Yo-Yo ing" or "abusing" induction.

Thanks to Atkins I've probably averaged around 12% body fat since I started. I've been as low as 8% and as high as 18%, and have noticed that these fluctuations had way more to do with activity level and less to do with diet. (Yes, I own BF calipers, and check my BF% whenever I'm curious enough.) I'm currently around 16% ish (haven't checked lately.)

During the past 9 years, my daily net-carb intake has probably averaged around 60 - 70 net carbs, and rarely exceeds 100 grams. My carbs come from mainly (other than green veggies) Fiber One cereal (with hood low-carb milk), whole grain protein bread (no more than 2 slices a day), brown rice (rarely), apples (no more than one a day) and oatmeal. (Please note: these item are not ALL eaten in a day, just an example of where I normally get my carbs.)

Would you agree that this would qualify as "maintenance"?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: What Gives?

>>have done induction probably 3 times before. This works out to be roughly once every 3 years. This is hardly "Yo-Yo ing" or "abusing" induction.>>

Oh. That's not quite what you were saying before ... but let's move on from that.

>> Would you agree that this would qualify as "maintenance"?>>

Well, I wouldn't eat Fiber One at all because I don't think much of the list of ingredients.

You should be getting MOST of your carbs, even on maintenance, from vegetables, and they don't have to all be "green"!

What about how much water your drink?

And ... here's a thought (and I bet you won't like it!) ... maybe your body doesn't want to lose any more weight?

J.

[kingsfan09]

Re: What Gives?

I'm sure you're right.

[Georgiana]

Re: What Gives?

I also reduced the amount of artificial sweetners to >4 servings.

I hope you meant <4, not ">4". In any case, limit these the way Dr. Atkins advised and check that you are not a cephalic responder.

Let me ask a couple of more specific questions:

Is it likely to experience stalled weight loss due to forbidden foods, WHILE maintaining ketosis?

Yes, if, for example, you have a food intolerance. Did you take the "Blood-Sugar Symptom Test" in DANDR? If you think you already know your food intolerances from before, keep in mind that these might change in time.

Is it possible to consume too many calories, or too much fat if eating only when hungry?

If eating only when hungry and eating only enough to satisfy your hunger, then this is not very likely (unless you have a totally screwed up metabolism). But some of us have portion control issues, so even if we eat only when hungry, we eat more than what is necessary to satisfy our hunger. Did you try to apply the portion control strategy Dr. Atkins describes in DANDR?

Here's yesterday's meals:

Breakfast - 4 scrambled eggs w/ habanero sauce, cauliflower hash browns
Snack - 1 mozzarella stick 2 slices tri-tip
lunch - 8 oz canned chicken w/ mayo
snack - 1 mozzarella stick 3 slices tri-tip
workout - 1 hour weight training
sanck - 3 oz stewed chicken leftovers
dinner - taco salad (ground beef, lettuce, cilantro, 1 oz cheddar chz, ranch dressing)

You don't say how much dressing/sauce/mayo you are using, but your menu seems too high in protein to me. Beef is maybe 4/5 protein, 1/5 fat. Mozzarella is high in protein too. So is Cheddar. Then chicken, even if eaten with skin on, is still high in protein. Then there are the canned chicken (canned in water, I guess) and the tri-tip. I am just guessing here, but with your protein intake, I think you need to eat a huge quantity of dressing, mayo, etc. to get your macronutrient breakdown in the right ranges. If you eat enough dressing to do this, then those calories might add up to a level that negatively affects your weight loss. But even if you do not eat enough dressing, excess protein can be converted to glucose, and that will also interfere with your weight loss.

First drop the non-Induction foods. Then follow the others' suggestion of entering your menus into FitDay. (Did you already do this? What are the numbers you got out?) Since your body fat percentage is already in a healthy range, you'll need to be patient --- weight loss will be slower than for someone who has a lot to lose.

[not2late]

Re: What Gives?

Whatever...I give up!

Again, I've been doing Atkins for over 9 years, and have done induction probably 3 times before. This works out to be roughly once every 3 years. This is hardly "Yo-Yo ing" or "abusing" induction.

Thanks to Atkins I've probably averaged around 12% body fat since I started. I've been as low as 8% and as high as 18%, and have noticed that these fluctuations had way more to do with activity level and less to do with diet. (Yes, I own BF calipers, and check my BF% whenever I'm curious enough.) I'm currently around 16% ish (haven't checked lately.)

During the past 9 years, my daily net-carb intake has probably averaged around 60 - 70 net carbs, and rarely exceeds 100 grams. My carbs come from mainly (other than green veggies) Fiber One cereal (with hood low-carb milk), whole grain protein bread (no more than 2 slices a day), brown rice (rarely), apples (no more than one a day) and oatmeal. (Please note: these item are not ALL eaten in a day, just an example of where I normally get my carbs.)

Would you agree that this would qualify as "maintenance"?

Point taken, but please recall what you posted initially:

In recent years I have bounced between carb-cycling and a general low/healthy carb diet, which has been worked well for maintainance.

Bouncing between carb cycling and a general low/healthy carb diet isn't Maintenance Atkins.