day 2- down 1.3lbs

[atkinsgal08]

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ww.dratkinsdietplan.info/learn/atkins-induction-phase.html

I wonder where they got their information?

I would be very cautious about using this site as a resource. You would be better to rely on information from this forum or from the book.

Some 3rd party sites used information about Atkins that they want to use ... not necessarily all from "the book".

>>im trying to find out which one people eat because mine have corn syrup in them.>>

On the rare occasion I eat a hot dog, I eat Hebrew National Kosher. However, I'm in the US and you're in Canada.

>>this other atkins support group says hot dogs are ok..>>

Lots of people will say different things.

I can find you a "support group" that focuses on just eating low carb junk food.

>>is this forum that i am in now an actual official atkins forum >>

What to you mean by "official"? Do you mean sanctioned by Atkins Nutritionals? If that's what you mean, then no, it isn't. However, the advice here is far better than one can get at the "official" Atkins website for most questions!

Yes, meat that has been processed will most likely have carbs ... because of the fillers and other ingredients.

A "chunk o' meat" such as a beef roast, a pork chop ... will have 0 carbs. You stated you were adding carbs to "meat" because you thought it should have carbs. That's what lead to my earlier comment.

I have to ask ... do you have a copy of the 2002 DANDR or are you trying to do Atkins based on what you pick up from websites?

[Georgiana]

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You're welcome, Tracy!

Let me also try to answer some of your comments...

how can someone not FEEL like they are going to cheat?? that's like telling a smoker, dont have a feeling to go have a smoke, or an alcoholic not to have an urge or feeling that they want to have a drink...food is an addiction..

Wanting to eat something might happen... not only when you are on Induction, but even later on. However, actually eating it or eating something just for the sake of eating does not need to happen. If it does, all you are doing, in my opinion, is substitute one food addiction with another. I agree that eating stuff like a hot dog is better than eating a chunk of Black Forest cake for someone on Atkins... but it is a bad eating habit nevertheless.

And try to think of it in the long term... When you are at home, you might always have some low carb food around and every time you "feel like cheating" you can eat that low carb food instead of eating pasta, chocolate or whatever. What does this teach you though? As you know, life happens outside your home. Many times you will be in situations where you want to eat something... but there won't be that hot dog you were using to "treat" your desire to cheat. What will you do then, if you don't take the time now to change your relationship with food? Eating a hot dog is a "quick fix"... which teaches you nothing... and I believe you are taking the easy way out.

this whole process is learning to make better choices when a person is tempted.

I would disagree here. As I have said above... in my opinion, Atkins is about fundamentally changing your eating habits... which are not restricted only to the foods you eat, but also to your relationship with food. Food should not be used to "treat" "feelings". That is a bad habit.

If people could control an urge/feeling to eat or drink something they shouldnt, there would be no atkins forum for us to be posting in because noone would be FAT!!

When you say, "if people could control an urge/feeling to eat or drink something", it sounds as if there is no way in the world people could control this. But the truth is... there is. Of course, if you believe there isn't... you're likely never going to find it... because you will never really look for it.

Substituting carby food with low carb alternatives might make you feel in control... but you aren't. You're still a slave to food. The only thing that has changed is that now it is low carb food instead of the sugary/starchy kind.

lots of people on atkins eat hot dogs.

That doesn't make them a good choice. Lots of people fail on Atkins too. I've been around Atkins forums for long enough to see how those unwilling to change their eating habits end up failing.

i view bacon as cheating too but it's not..it's legal..

It's fine to eat a few slices of bacon in the morning... although there are better protein alternatives, imo. The problem is the reason why you eat this bacon. Do you eat it because you are hungry? Or do you eat it just because you feel like eating something?

<< Didn't you read in DANDR that meat is 0 carbs unless something has happened to it?>>

Atkins Diet Phase 1 ? Induction Phase :: Dr. Atkins' Diet Plan

"Bacon and ham, salami, hot dogs are also allowed, despite the fact they are processed meat. They can be eaten on condition that they do not contain sugar which might add carbohydrates to the daily intake. "

That comment J. made was referring to the meatballs you ate, not to processed meats.

and this other atkins support group says hot dogs are ok..
http://www.atkinssupportgroup.com/fo...ead.php?t=6020 so my question now is, is this forum that i am in now an actual official atkins forum and the other is just a third party thing??

Trust me... just because a forum is "an actual official Atkins forum" does not make the advice you receive in that forum better.

[Georgiana]

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www.dratkinsdietplan.info/learn/atkins-induction-phase.html

As J. said, I wouldn't go by what is written on that website. They are clearly not following DANDR 2002. Look what they say:

The folowing sorts can be eaten with no restrictions: mozarella, cheddar, cream cheese, Rocquefort cheese and blue ones, swiss cheese, goat, cow and sheep cheese.

We all know cheese is limited to 3-4 oz per day in the 2002 plan and should not be eaten "with no restrictions".

[tracyc]

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YES!!!! now that's what im talkin about!!! great insight, great advice, different perspective to what i'm thinking, which makes sense about not being in control over what i eat if im just going to eat something else that is low carb/high protein.
The underlying question was is this a better site, so thanks for the input, i'll stick around this one.

J- i do have the 2002 book, thanks for asking. I am reading it, have read the secton on induction a couple of times. I feel like when i started my accounting course...i was like WTF is all of this information, and what do i do with it??!! then i started working where i am now while i was taking it, and the wonderful people guided me to success by helping me with their experiences and knowledge.

Im actually going to print out the messages you both (georgiana and J) sent yesterday and add to my atkins induction phase book i've started.

that's right..i'm not kidding you, i am serious this change of lifestyle. i guess i got a little overexcited about being able to eat foods that i haven't eaten in 6 months!

I have printed off a bunch of atkins friendly recipes from linda's site, lowered the cheese content in some of them, and printed off low carb bbq sauce recipes..i found low carb no name ketchup yesterday..1g per tablespoon...im going to use that to make the bbq sauce. I made the thousand island salad dressing for my big mac in a bowl lastnight...which was delicious by the way..my husband ended up eating over half of it!!

thank you for the obvious reasearch you both put into that site for my benefit. I'm going to get this yet. i swear to God. replacing one addiction for another....so very true...and i get what j meant now. thanks for elaborating.

[barrnone]

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Tracy, I think you have a great attitude, you sound very excited and enthusiastic!

I always make my own meatballs - I recently made some that had pizza ingredients - they were so good - my family loved them! Just need to get creative!

For dinner I normally have a salad, some meat/fish and a side veggie - lots of ideas.

I also drink coffee, but have cut down and only drink half-caf, not sure if it has affected me, but I do enjoy my morning coffee.

You'll figure it out...good luck!

[Georgiana]

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Sally posted in the OWL forum that she is making meatballs with grated eggplant. This is her post: http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...34-post71.html

I haven't tried making them myself, but it sounds interesting.

[Georgiana]

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my menu for tomorrow
breakfast-1 egg
snack- 1 egg
lunch - caesar salad with dressing- less than 2g of carbs per tablespoon-legal in the book
supper- macafoni and cheese, and a chicken breast.
snack- mock danish- yumm yumm

I didn't notice your menu when I replied yesterday...

An egg for breakfast is very little. You are coming after a night fast and, in my opinion, you need more food to start your day. Did you check the recipes for quiches and frittatas? If you don't have time to cook in the morning, they can be made in advance and you just reheat a slice in the microwave. I sometimes make them in the muffin pan... so I have small individual quiches (good to take to work too).

Is the chicken breast skinless? Make sure you add some fat to it, to avoid overeating protein. Excess protein can be converted to glucose and interfere with weight loss. In the studies done on Atkins, the protein intake was 1.2-1.75 g of protein per kg of body weight. For you, that means 130-190 g of protein... which should account for 25-30% of your total calories. I wouldn't go as high as 190 g... unless you exercise a lot.

How many calories are in that menu? You need to make sure you are eating enough. I see your BMR is about 1850 calories. Eating a few hundred calories above this allows most people to lose weight while providing the body with proper nutrition.

[tracyc]

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<<On the rare occasion I eat a hot dog, I eat Hebrew National Kosher. However, I'm in the US and you're in Canada.>>

we have a kosher brand at food basics here in Canada, i'll have to check those out, i bought them sometimes because they were cheap or on sale, but never knew why they were kosher...i will check the ingredients before i buy them!! lol and just keep them in the freezer for a back up when i am running late and dont feel like cooking..(sometimes i dont get home from work/physio until late)

Barrnone- pizza meatballs..YUMMM...i made meatballs which are in my freezer now, but they have a tiny bit of bread crumbs, so i cant eat them...off to the kids those go too lol. I will make some meatballs tonight. i love the sweet and sour sauce my dad used to make, vinegar, sugar ( i use splenda, dont even have sugar in my house) and low carb ketchup. So i am going to make that to dip my meatball in a little. im also going to get an eggplant and cut it in strips like spaghetti to eat them with..yumm.. my whole menu plan just got so much better for today!!!!

thank you ladies, extremely appreciated. oh and BTW barrnone- got my biggest loser disk, cant wait to try it tonight!!!

[atkinsgal08]

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>>i found low carb no name ketchup yesterday.>>

What's it sweetened with? Is sucralose the only sweetener?

Glad to hear you have the book ... it will keep you from believing more dubious websites!

[tracyc]

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3 carb per tablespoon... just called my husband at home, he said ingredients are tomato paste, water, glucose/fructose, white vinegar, salt, spice extractives.... no good??? i bought the stuff to make my own, so i could easily do that when i go home if i need to.

[tracyc]

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Georgiana- the chicken breast is skinless, but it's a cordon bleu...real chicken breast, not processed, no batter,breading etc...it has chicken with spinach and ricotta cheese in the middle. box says 4 grams of carbs... there are no additives, i bought it directly from elmira poultry plant. no sugars, no sweeteners etc. no preservatives. i will keep in mind though to always fry or baste my chicken breast with oil since i have a box of boneless skinless. I made some of those quiche's in a muffin pan the night before..that's what i ended up having for breakfast today..it had a piece of bacon, and broccoli and onion in it. i put a bit of cream of tartar in them to give them fluffiness...i assumed this was ok since it's in other recipes for induction..? will try my next batch with the whipping cream i bought instead of CoT. i put 130-190 g of protein..in my book of knowledge!! I do exercise alot actually..well, i think i do. i do 45 mins to an hour of the wii fit every night...step class, hula hooping, the maraton (mostly cardio, my heart is pounding and im sweating and my daughter runs and gets me water so i don't have to stop!! lol, it's cute) but i will keep closer to 130. is this site ok for grams Protein - High-Protein Foods and Amount of Protein in Each Food or is there a better one you suggest? judging by what this says, you're right, im not eating enough..i can't believe it, im not eating enough..and that's probably the reason i've failed on diets so many times.

[RosieC]

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3 carb per tablespoon... just called my husband at home, he said ingredients are tomato paste, water, glucose/fructose, white vinegar, salt, spice extractives.... no good??? i bought the stuff to make my own, so i could easily do that when i go home if i need to.

Glucose/fructose are fancy names for sugar ... don't eat anything that has those on the ingredients list

I read on someones blog about the first two weeks not always being so much about staying on track as it is to work out the kinks for alot of people who make honest mistakes as we get used to the program.

This rang SO true for me. I think I just about got it all straight by the end of the second week. People on this site will certainly help straighten you out. It can be frustrating at times but keep asking and you will be glad when your cravings stop as if by magic

[Elizellen]

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It looks as if you are really getting the hang of induction, Tracy
Well done for asking the necessary questions to get things straight in your mind

[Georgiana]

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it has chicken with spinach and ricotta cheese in the middle.

Did you check the ingredients?

Ricotta cheese is not allowed on Induction. It is a fresh cheese... so OWL Rung 2.

i put a bit of cream of tartar in them to give them fluffiness...i assumed this was ok since it's in other recipes for induction..?

Cream of tartar is fine.

is this site ok for grams Protein - High-Protein Foods and Amount of Protein in Each Food or is there a better one you suggest?

I would check the numbers against FitDay. What are you using to track your foods? FitDay displays grams of fat, protein, etc. Your fat intake should be 60-70%.

i can't believe it, im not eating enough..and that's probably the reason i've failed on diets so many times.

Many people do this and they end up getting really hungry and binging on something carby. Ketosis has an appetite suppressant effect... so sometimes you will need to eat even when not hungry.

[tracyc]

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<Well done for asking the necessary questions to get things straight in your mind >

thanks...i feel like such a pain in the butt. however i figure if people are willing to answer, then i'll keep asking until they stop lol.

this has definatley been an informative and helpful site

<<Ricotta cheese is not allowed on Induction. It is a fresh cheese... so OWL Rung 2.>>

ok, im off to buy the ham and swiss!!! lol. yes i checked the ingredients, litterally...chicken breast, ham, swiss cheese/(ricotta in the case of the ones i bought) and salt. they tumble the chicken breasts in the salt as a natural preservative- elmira poultry is the actual chicken plant where they get the chickens and make whatever they make and then ship to stores. They are a supplier. so the staff is knowledgable