Day 2

[poobears1972]

Re: Day 2

Maybe she's using her original start weight, ,like her high weight, not her atkins start weight. If so do like my siggy. Put the HW/SW/CW/GW so people know where you started on Atkins, will save some confusion.

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

Yes - I debated taking the carrots out, but there's may a baby carrots' worth for two bags of the broccoli slaw. 1 bag of broccoli slaw contains 4 servings at 5 grams carbs each, minus 2 grams fiber each - so 3 net grams carbs each. Had there been any more carrots compared to broccoli, I'd have picked out as much as I could. I know carrots aren't on the list, but they are not much carbier than those on the Induction lists. Information about their glycemic impact has changed since this book was written. Are a few shreds still so off-plan?

I adjusted my signature to reflect my starting induction weight, etc. I've only lost 2.6 in the 1st 2 days, not 50.

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

You know what. I'm not going to worry about carrots. I just went and looked at the Phase 1 Food list and it's got peas? And Water Chestnuts on there at 6.9 grams of carbs for 1/2 cup? 1/2 cup of strips of carrots is 5-something, and there were maybe 1/2 cup of carrot strips for the whole 2 bags of slaw, (and I added a bag of cabbage shreds, too) and I only ate 1.5 cups of the veggies. If there's some science behind what is on that list for acceptable foods that goes beyond carb count and glycemic impact, please, let me know. Carrots have a GI of 49, peas 48. Pumpkin is 75, btw.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Day 2

There's no "peas" in the list in your DANDR. Nor are there "peas" here:

https://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-low-carb-dieting-faqs/6781-what-foods-can-eaten-induction.html

And the "peas" on Atkins.com (which is where I presume you're getting your list ... as inaccurate as it is there!) ... are "edible podded" (I know, no one ever sees that part!) ... as in snow pea pods or sugar snap peas.

Whether or not YOU worry about carrots, they're not on the Induction food list.

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

Where do you think peas come from? They grow in a pod. What's the difference - eating the pod rather than tossing it out? It's still a starchy veggie inside the pod. And, 1/2 cup they are 5.2 grams carbs (minus 2.2 fiber for 3 net carbs) - Fitday for 'edible pods, raw'. (My book does mention snow peas, btw)

All values are for 1/2 cup unless otherwise noted.
shredded raw carrot - 5.8 grams carbs, minus 1.7 g fiber = 4.1 net carbs
cooked carrot - 6 g carbs, 2.2 g fiber = 3.8 net carbs
canned pumpkin - 9.9 g carbs, minus 3.6 g fiber = 6.3 net carbs
raw pumpkin (1 cup of 1" cubes) 8 grams carbs, 1 gram fiber = 7 net carbs.

What I'm saying is I don't agree with carrots not being on the list. Someone explain to me why they aren't on the list, when all the #'s say they should be allowed to the party. They are lower carbs, lower sugar-impact than other things on there. Just don't get it.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Day 2

>>I don't agree with carrots not being on the list.>>

Ok.

>>Where do you think peas come from? They grow in a pod. What's the difference - eating the pod rather than tossing it out?>>

Think about it ... eating the pod means you're eating far fewer of the "peas".

I sense that you're more interested in doing this the way YOU want, rather than following the Rules of Induction or the List of Acceptable Foods for Induction.

[kline1972]

Re: Day 2

they are not on the list yes - for sure each individual can eat how they choose but then the point is they are not really following atkins- it may work but at the best it become modified atkins in my opinion

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

>>I don't agree with carrots not being on the list.>>

Ok.

>>Where do you think peas come from? They grow in a pod. What's the difference - eating the pod rather than tossing it out?>>

Think about it ... eating the pod means you're eating far fewer of the "peas".

I sense that you're more interested in doing this the way YOU want, rather than following the Rules of Induction or the List of Acceptable Foods for Induction.

I want to do something that makes some sense. Excluding carrots when things like pumpkin is allowed is ludicrous, in my opinion.

Hasn't Atkins changed over the years to keep up with current food research? '72 isn't what atkins.com is, and each book version is tweaked a little - and everyone has their opinions on what's best, what's true atkins, and purists get pretty militant about their 'version'.

I do not get the rationale behind not allowing carrots, knowing what is known about it's carb content, glycemic index/load, etc. Not when you see things allowed on the list than are higher sugar-impact.

I would love to hear an explanation that's not 'it's just not on the list so get over it'.

[kline1972]

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-but you can not accept the list as it is as of now- i am not a scientist nor a doctor- but to each his own- but i am far from militant-- i believe in the dr atkins principle that one wrong food choice will send a person down the wrong path- so even if i think something is fine but not on the acceptable list then i will not eat it- but again you can eat how you like but i feel it is not fair to be critical of people on an atkins forum. you of course have the right to have your opinion, but the fact remains it is not on the atkins diet, thus eating carrots is a modification.

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

Fine. Consider me Modified.
No criticism intended. I was just trying to make sense of the list and the criteria behind choosing what's on it & what's not.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Day 2

Melissa,

As you are most likely aware ... since you've been here since 2006, this forum follows the RULES of DANDR 2002.

The list of Induction foods in that book does not include carrots.

If you want to follow the Melissa version of Atkins, that is certainly your choice. I suspect you're followed that version in the past, too.

However, don't expect people here, who are following DANDR 2002 to not comment on what you're doing.

As you know, Atkins.com has a forum, I'm sure they won't challenge you for eating carrots.

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

Melissa,

As you are most likely aware ... since you've been here since 2006, this forum follows the RULES of DANDR 2002.

The list of Induction foods in that book does not include carrots.

If you want to follow the Melissa version of Atkins, that is certainly your choice. I suspect you're followed that version in the past, too.

However, don't expect people here, who are following DANDR 2002 to not comment on what you're doing.

As you know, Atkins.com has a forum, I'm sure they won't challenge you for eating carrots.

So, if there was empirical evidence that carrots should be added to the acceptable food list, that Atkins himself could change his mind about them, were he still alive, God rest his soul - you would still shun them because it's not in your '02 book?

I think that's the definition of militant. Stoutly defending a viewpoint despite concrete evidence to the contrary. The '02 book, the '72 book, the Atkins.com of today - it's all a snapshot of what the author understood at the time.

Heaven forbid he be wrong in any way. Or that anyone question it.
I apologize for making waves. Won't make that mistake again.

[kline1972]

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i am not defending anything-- i joined this forum to follow atkins- not to follow what other people think is the right way

[MelissaF_07]

Re: Day 2

i am not defending anything-- i joined this forum to follow atkins- not to follow what other people think is the right way

Sorry if science is a turn-off. I'm not 'interpreting' the #'s. I'm passing them on.

[Georgiana]

Re: Day 2

Where do you think peas come from? They grow in a pod. What's the difference - eating the pod rather than tossing it out? It's still a starchy veggie inside the pod.

Peas in pods have a lower percentage of starch and are not considered a starchy vegetable. For example, podded peas have less than 1% starch. Peas, on the other hand, are over 25% starch.

Someone explain to me why they aren't on the list, when all the #'s say they should be allowed to the party. They are lower carbs, lower sugar-impact than other things on there. Just don't get it.

There are many foods not on the Acceptable Foods List that are "lower carbs, lower sugar-impact than other things on there", like many nuts and berries.

On Atkins, foods are arranged in groups. First group, which is also allowed on Induction, is that of non-starchy vegetables. Starting in the first two weeks, you add to this meats, oils and other fats, aged cheese, cream, spices. That's it for Induction.

Then, in OWL, you start adding back groups of foods. You add more diary first. Then you add nuts. Then berries... and so on. It's true that some berries have fewer carbs than some nuts... and some nuts have fewer carbs than some diary products... and some diary products have fewer carbs than some veggies. But the foods on Atkins are arranged based on the GI of food groups, not of individual foods.

Now that you already bought that broccoli slaw, finish it and just count the net carbs. Next time, I suggest you look for a bag of broccoli without carrots.