cheating or treating self?

[Heidi3]

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[QUOTE=Bren]Pointing out that this post is in the "EXTENDED INDUCITON FORUM!" I am not yelling, but being very forum specific.


OMG I DID NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT>...please see my disclaimer ..I am really tired sorry

[Bren]

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yeah, but Heidi your so cute! That makes up for it. This is a good thread with things to be learned for all! And note I spelled induction wrong (insert rolling eyes here).

[Barbde]

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OK, this is a very good topic and conversation, that shouldn't be in an induction forum. Can't it be moved (with notice given to the original poster ?)

[hey_nelson]

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If you add it back to your life... what message are you sending your body. Also could create a stall. Don't want that, been there, done that.

[sombersusie]

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I think it really just comes down to the individual. For those who have obtained their goal, especially, i don't see anything wrong with the occasional treat and maybe more if they can handle it. As Perry stated more or less you may have a long life why not enjoy it. As for me when i reach goal i do plan to have a treat occasionally. But i know i'll really have to be carefull too.
For those still a long ways from their goal, me included, it gets even trickier. The second time i went off Atkins it was a gradual thing. I cheated here and then there and noticed, hey the scale didn't budge. So thinking i was in control of it i slipped more to my old ways, well i ended up gaining 20lbs again.
Another thing we all know about just reading posts at ADBB on a daily basis are the number of failures people endure. The person who is back for the 5th or 20th time. The person who can't stop cheating. The person who lost a lot of weight 2 years ago but now is back because they gained it all back and more.
So i conclude (amongst greatfull sighing) a person has to know thyself before 'cheating', can they handle it or not??

[Heidi3]

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ABSOLUTELY SOMBER! I totally agree ..I was tired last night and did not realize this was in the extended induction area and I am sorry ..I still feel the same but I want you to know I believe this whole things works ...sincerely ...but there has to be a future out there and if you become a carbophobe then you can never acheive permanent weight loss....OWL is awesome it was my wading pool before I took the plunge into the real world....but now ...it is ok to come out..I do eat carbs..but I am still very careful about how, when and what I eat....it has to be the best of the best or I am not putting it into my body ..period....and that goes for foods that were formally forbidden....if I am going to eat it is going to be perfect food...no crap ...

again I went off because I thought this was in another forum ...but I still agree with what Perry said...I am just a very tired dork is all

[donkey23]

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OK, this is a very good topic and conversation, that shouldn't be in an induction forum. Can't it be moved (with notice given to the original poster ?)

yes please. please warn the op first we so not need a revolt on our hands.

[poppie]

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You guys are great!! This is extended induction and Jimmy Moore said that he always did this, all of you have great ideas and stong comments, I feel that this shows us how strong we can be and how motivated we are. We all are working towards a better "Me", so do we call it a reward or cheating? I do not know if eating mexican food for one meal is a "reward" knowing the total carb that will be eaten, yet we all think if we are strong enough to handle this cross path we can handle it. We still have a large goal and alot of years of life to accomodate all types of situations, some have reached it others are working towards it, all in all it its good to hear your opinions.

[not2late]

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You guys are great!! This is extended induction and Jimmy Moore said that he always did this, all of you have great ideas and stong comments, I feel that this shows us how strong we can be and how motivated we are. We all are working towards a better "Me", so do we call it a reward or cheating? I do not know if eating mexican food for one meal is a "reward" knowing the total carb that will be eaten, yet we all think if we are strong enough to handle this cross path we can handle it. We still have a large goal and alot of years of life to accomodate all types of situations, some have reached it others are working towards it, all in all it its good to hear your opinions.

This is the thing I can't figure out....If you want to eat foods that aren't on the Induction Acceptable Food List, then why not move over to OWL, go through the carb ladder, find your CCLL, and eat those foods without feeling 'guilty' about cheating or falling off or whatever?

My CCLL is 50 (I found that the more physicially fit I become the higher my CCLL becomes). I can eat berries, fruit other than berries, legumes, starchy veggies (including potatoes), and certain whole grains (wheat makes my asthma act up, so I avoid that). Only a very small percentage of us need to keep our carbs at Induction level in order to lose weight, and even those people can move up the carb ladder to add food (AKA minerals, fiber, and vitamins) to their diet. If it's a fear of slowing your weight loss, well, Dr. Atkins says that weight loss slows down as you near goal. So, prolonging the Induction experience in order to keep losing weight, but feeling deprived because you can't eat a 1/2 cup of apple slices or a couple whole grain crackers or negotiating what is and isn't a cheat are unnecessary things if you follow Dr. Atkins' plan.

[apopson]

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When I started this ... more than once ... I would tell myself "Sundays are my one day to eat something I love!" ... today actually, my husband said "I thought on Sundays you could eat carbs" ... I love my reply to him! I told him "Nope! That was a bad way to think! That's what has made me blow this before and I'm NOT doing it again!" ... for me, it was eating something I really enjoyed - pre Akins - and then the sugar high/low would make me feel bad ... then I would say, "Oh well, I already blew it" .. then it would launch me into going right back into bad eating and ... before I knew it, I was heavier than when I started (again, again and again!) ... so ... for myself, personally, I won't do it! And, I've already told myself that I KNOW there are foods that I will NEVER eat again! ... sure, they make my mouth water and I just WANT so badly to just take a taste but ... that will fade in time as well, I'm sure.

[Tommy]

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Hey all, sorry to start a controversy on the subject.

I just wanted to point out that if an occasional treat was had not to consider it a total failure and come back with the typical post about "starting back from scratch for the xxx... number time.

I would not have said anything in the strict 2 week induction forum, but being as this is extended and I did have occasionally have my pizza durring my 4 months of extended induction I thought I would add my 2 cents.

I believe your own progress and goals should dictate whether this is right for you or not. I dont believe one high calorie meal every once in a while is going to make you gain 20 lbs back. And most importantly, if you do occasional fall off the wagon I dont want you to look at it as failure, see it as a chance to quit or go binge for months before deciding to come back and start over from scratch.

[Heidi3]

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Hey all, sorry to start a controversy on the subject.

I just wanted to point out that if an occasional treat was had not to consider it a total failure and come back with the typical post about "starting back from scratch for the xxx... number time.

I would not have said anything in the strict 2 week induction forum, but being as this is extended and I did have occasionally have my pizza durring my 4 months of extended induction I thought I would add my 2 cents.

I believe your own progress and goals should dictate whether this is right for you or not. I dont believe one high calorie meal every once in a while is going to make you gain 20 lbs back. And most importantly, if you do occasional fall off the wagon I dont want you to look at it as failure, see it as a chance to quit or go binge for months before deciding to come back and start over from scratch.

ok this should be repeated

[jsj0305]

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I just read Livin La Low-carb by Jimmy Moore, he says that every 6-8 weeks to eat one meal of anything you want, is this cheating or treating? He also said that it would take a few days to get back to the weight at which it was done? what do you guys think of this, can this help a stall or hurt us?
poppie started 2/16/06 sw361cw342gw200

Let me start by saying, I have been there and done that. I first started this WOE May 5th, 2005. I decided I would stay cheat free, and then I could enjoy myself on the 4th of July. Lemme tell you, I had hyped it up so much in my mind, I only thought about that one day of cheating. Well, when the day was almost there, I couldn't help myself, I cheated 2 days before and a week after. I prepaired EVERYTHING you could think of, and I ate almost all of it, just b/c it was there. I didn't even like the way it had tasted, but it was all psycological. I blew up. I yo-yo'ed back and forth, do the diet, cheat, and it became a vicious cycle. I officially fell off and gained 25 pounds in less than a month.

That one meal could turn into a day which turns into 2 days, which could be the beginning of the end of you fight. We got this way b/c we could NOT contol our eating, our choices, and for may of us, the portions. That "free" meal spells disaster to me, and you don't deserve that.

The point of doing Atkins is to not only become skinny, but to be healthy, FOREVER. Throwing one crappy meal in the middle of beautiful progress is a waste and will wreck havoc on your bloodsugar. If we are going to start cheating and not caring about our health, we might as well take diet pills. Neither one of those things shows control, and both will hurt us.

I sure wish someone would slap this author in the back of the head b/c a copy of DANDR and see, it's ISN'T a fad, it's a WOE, a Way Of Life. One to make us thin, healthy, and IN CONTROL. Food doesn't control me anymore, I do.... and you deserve to have all those things Dr. A intended for us.

I hope you don't follow his advice and you make the healthy decisions you and your body so very much deserve.

[jsj0305]

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Tommy, you are absolutely right, we aren't failures at all. Thank you for saying that, it's DEFINATELY something worth repeating.

One meal certainly won't do that (although watch that Chinese, I ate that and a bowl of LC ice cream and gained 10 pounds!!) , but the changes in some people's bloodsugar will cause intense cravings, and it could be a snow ball effect, that's what it did for me.

Everyone is different and has their own agendas, but for me, I can't cheat.

You have had AMAZING results and you are an inspiration to us all.

[Heidi3]

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I am very much a LOW CARB EATER and I totally agree this is a way of life not a fad..that is why in time people have to choose what they are going to add back and have to live with out ..this was a slow agonizing process for me...I loved OWL because I could find foods that made me nuts.....but in the end ..do I want to live the rest of my life not having anything I adored before ..or was I going to find a way to have things and not call them "cheats" ....I think if you take to book literally and go slowly ...appreciating how it was written...then when you get to goal and start finding a place in the world as a thin person ...it is ok to experiment...
just be aware of your triggers and that is what OWL is for .....to find them ....I know I can not eat sugar in any shape or form the first ten days of any month it is predictable...but if I eat it when the moon is in my favor ..I am fine ...OWL was where I learned Peanuts are my downfall ...I love them to the danger zone...if I eat them at all now it is with real caution ...

Induction is safe and limited..but OWL is awesome and experimental ....I loved OWL for just that reason....