cheating or treating self?

[jsj0305]

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I just want to add a disclaimer here before I get run over....

**I am on extended Induction and have not read any of the previous posts. Only Tommy's at the top of this page.**

I can't WAIT for OWL to experiment, and I do think that perhaps in maintenance, an occasional treat isn't necessarly a bad thing...that depends on the individual. But as far as induction and extended induction do, this is a time for us to break all of those habits.

Maybe one day I can enjoy a piece of sugar free cake or something, but not on induction....you are right Heidi, it is a LONG process, and I cannot WAIT for variety!! LOL

[Tommy]

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One meal certainly won't do that (although watch that Chinese, I ate that and a bowl of LC ice cream and gained 10 pounds!!) , but the changes in some people's bloodsugar will cause intense cravings, and it could be a snow ball effect, that's what it did for me.

I'd have to say the weight gained from one meal is water retention after eating a higher sodium meal.

But I do agree with the others posts and dont think it should be an excuse to allow cheating constantly to the point it is ruining what anyone is working towards.

As I said I've made sure that one, I did make make my overall weight loss progress I wanted for the week and second that the effects of the meal didn't interfere with my goals and last it was one meal in moderation and not a binge.

[Heidi3]

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move at your own pace but if you feel yourself feeling deprived I say it is time to move on to OWL ..I did not miss a beat unless I overate ...I kept loosing and I think the pace I kept was about 4-6lbs per month give or take..even through OWL ...I like the idea of extended induction if you need it but OWL is not so scary if you are ready move on ...that is all I have to say OOOXXX

[Heidi3]

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I love that Tommy ... "ONE MEAL IN MODERATION AND NOT A BINGE"

that is a goal worth people doing this correctly for and I think ultimately that was the intent of this plan to enjoy good food in moderation and to learn what triggers you into oblivion ...nuff said from Heidi now ...

[poppie]

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TOO ALL OF YOU ONCE MORE

[jsj0305]

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I will move to OWL eventually, but I like the faster weight loss, more than the variety! LOL.

Yea, that chinese was all water weight, but it still sucked! LOL. It wasn't even that good!!! Took me a month to lose 10 pounds, and one night to put it back, and another 2 weeks to make it disappear again! LOL. Damn MSG!

You definately controlled yourself, especially if you had already met your weekly goal, and it was one moderate meal. You have a lot more control than most people do. More than me, at least!

[jsj0305]

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Did I mention I love this place? This is the nicest conversation I have ever had on here. I ACTUALLY had my own opinion said it and I DIDN'T have my eyes scratched out!! hehe It's nice to have a mature adult conversation. You guys are lovely people and I'm glad I know you

[Heidi3]

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I love this place tooo I get to meet people like you guys OOOXXX

I stuck to the book exactly (except coffee and a few more veggies on induction) otherwise I was strict ..it was not until I hit my goal that I considered a randomn high carb meal now and again...that was part of learning for me was to stick to it until I could do it on my own...now I have only been at this weight a year so check back again but I imagine I will be this weight next year too ...I kind of like the way my asss slides into my 501s now!!!! OOOXXX Ok really I am gone now

[jsj0305]

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Heidi you don't have to leave!! I LOVE your theories on everything. (I just read the whole thread )
You do have to enjoy life. When I get to mainenance, damn right I'm having a canolli when I go to Jersey, which is like once a year...You have to enjoy things. I think that after being so strick with myself, I will appreciate those things and not abuse them! LOL
I *HATE* how we are mad to feel that we are failures when we make a mistake. I am not perfect, no one is. But I AM the perfect me. I will do what works for me, and I really agree with you guys. You CANNOT let even this control your life.

I can't wait for that canolli about a year from now! LOL

[not2late]

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Let me just clarify this because "Extended Induction" is really ADBB lingo....

Induction Phase is defined in the book in Chapters 11 and 12. So, all Extended Induction means is that you are choosing to follow the Rules of Induction and the Induction Acceptable Foods list for more than the 14 day minimum. It's not an independent phase between Induction and OWL. In fact, it's like being in ketosis: you're either in Induction or you are not. If you are not, then you are probably doing OWL or your own low carb diet.

Sorry to sound harsh, but we have to keep these terms straight in order to avoid confusing folks.

[poppie]

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[QUOTE=not2late]Let me just clarify this because "Extended Induction" is really ADBB lingo....

Induction Phase is defined in the book in Chapters 11 and 12. So, all Extended Induction means is that you are choosing to follow the Rules of Induction and the Induction Acceptable Foods list for more than the 14 day minimum. It's not an independent phase between Induction and OWL. In fact, it's like being in ketosis: you're either in Induction or you are not. If you are not, then you are probably doing OWL or your own low carb diet.

Sorry to sound harsh, but we have to keep these terms straight in order to avoid confusing folks. [/QUOT

That is correct what you say on induction and not to confuse anyone, but when you extend your induction and you are in it for a while, would you not want a treat or even call it an experiment to see how your body reacts to the stuff we left behind, also what if I do this and it does speed the lost of lbs somewhat, I will benefit and if not I will learn??

[not2late]

Re: cheating or treating self?

Let me just clarify this because "Extended Induction" is really ADBB lingo....

Induction Phase is defined in the book in Chapters 11 and 12. So, all Extended Induction means is that you are choosing to follow the Rules of Induction and the Induction Acceptable Foods list for more than the 14 day minimum. It's not an independent phase between Induction and OWL. In fact, it's like being in ketosis: you're either in Induction or you are not. If you are not, then you are probably doing OWL or your own low carb diet.

Sorry to sound harsh, but we have to keep these terms straight in order to avoid confusing folks.

That is correct what you say on induction and not to confuse anyone, but when you extend your induction and you are in it for a while, would you not want a treat or even call it an experiment to see how your body reacts to the stuff we left behind, also what if I do this and it does speed the lost of lbs somewhat, I will benefit and if not I will learn??

Induction isn't the only weight loss phase of Atkins. The main purpose of Induction is to get your body into lipolysis/ketosis, hence the severe carb restriction. Dr. Atkins picked the magic number of 20 net carbs because that was the level when the majority of people would be in ketosis (Ch 20). The majority of us can eat above 20 net carbs daily and still lose weight. The last sentence in Chapter 13 of DANDR 2002 is "People with high metabolic resistance can benefit from doing Induction longer than two weeks because it gives them time to correct the metabolic imbalances they may have developed over time" So if Induction corrects your metabolic imbalances, then experimenting is the last thing you'd want to do because it could possibly set you back not only in terms of weight loss but also in terms of correcting those metabolic imbalances.

OWL is the phase when we learn our carbohydrate levels/sensitivities. As 2Big likes to say, OWL is the great food experiment. Moreover OWL is a controlled food experiment, in which you add a controlled amount of carbohydrates to your diet to see how you will react to that carb level and to that food.

[poppie]

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Great point Meg on the "metabolic imbalances", if anything else this should the reason why NOT TO DO THIS!. We surely donot want to go back, it is a matter of going forth and if the imbalances are not balance then we are back to day one? Thank you

[livinlavidalowcarbman]

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Hey everyone at ADDB,

I'm glad to see my "planned splurge" or "controlled cheating" idea being debated in this forum. It has spurred lots of healthy (all pun intended!) debate.

Here was the post I wrote about this if you are interested in reading it:

http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2006/03/controlled-cheating-while-low-carb.html

You guys have hashed out some great thoughts from it and I applaud you for it. It really does depend on the individual and their tolerance for going without. I solidly believe I would NOT have been able to lose 180 pounds without this method. It worked for me, but may not work for everyone.

The key is to know your own limits and don't EVER slip back into your old habits. If you can do it for one meal every few months and it keeps you going, then DO IT! Whatever it takes, just lose the weight.

KEEP UP THE GREAT JOB EVERYONE and keep on livin' la vida low-carb!

Jimmy Moore, author of "Livin' La Vida Low-Carb"
LivinLaVidaLowCarb.com
livinlowcarbman@charter.net

[ttdriver]

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Forgive me, I admit to being RIGID on most topics, including cheating.

Seems to me, eating carbage is what landed us all here to begin with.

I've been following Atkins since January 19, 2002 and have never endulged in a high carb meal YET. Now, considering the fact that prior to 1/19/2002, I was a major carboholic sugarfreak, that's saying something. What's it saying? Not that I have incredible willpower, cuz I don't. If I had it, I wouldn't have been 40+ pounds overweight to begin with.

What I do have is a firm grip on the fact that I'm never going to eat the junk that made me fat again. Don't want to, don't need to, and frankly, the idea of it makes me want to gag.

I've so come to love how I feel and look now. Nothing in a white sack or on a crust or in a cone possibly comes close to the gratification that Atkins and exercise gives me.

In 4 years, I've never ONCE felt deprived or that I'm missing out on anything....a treat to me is something that my body can USE to be healthier.

Eating right in my opinion is like an insurance policy!! And exercise pays the premiums!

Betty