Extended Induction question

[mitzimarie]

Re: Extended Induction question

i believe the book says extended induction is fine- could be wrong-- but for some men like myself- extended induction is the only way for like 6 months- i have a very bad knee and i can't run on the weight i carry now- so my goal is to get the weight down as fast as possible through diet and then continue with owl and exercise-- but where is it that induction is not allowed for 6 months?

No one is saying that Extended Induction should never be done. What we are advising against, is staying in Induction until you reach goal.

There is a thread going on in the Induction Forum right now, very much like this one... give it a look. Here is the link: http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...ction-bad.html

[2big4mysize]

Re: Extended Induction question

actually the book says staying on induction for 6 months is fine IF you have a lot to lose.

He also says just a few pages later in that same chapter when talking about moving to OWL that it is a whole new way of of life that will keep you healthy for decades and that is what Atkins is really about. look at page 163 for the paperback DANDR 2002 and LOOK at the BIG Picture in chapter 13 for those with the hard back copies

[2big4mysize]

Re: Extended Induction question

i believe the book says extended induction is fine- could be wrong-- but for some men like myself- extended induction is the only way for like 6 months- i have a very bad knee and i can't run on the weight i carry now- so my goal is to get the weight down as fast as possible through diet and then continue with owl and exercise-- but where is it that induction is not allowed for 6 months?

I have very bad knees and walked my way to goal weight. Can you walk while doing your extended induction? I started out very slow less then 2MPH but was amazed at how fast I improved in both spped and distance eating my atkins and doing a daily walk.

[Georgiana]

Re: Extended Induction question

Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution (2002), Chapter 17, The Wrong Way to Do Atkins

[kline1972]

Re: Extended Induction question

but extended inductions works fine for me and i am doing fine- any slower weight loss and i will become bored-- like i stated earlier i am doing this diet to lessen the pounding on my knees so that i can exercise much later-- later i am not sure if atkins is the right diet for me because i want to exercise very heavy thus i will need quite a few carbs

[lisa1]

Re: Extended Induction question

ok so if you stay on induction till goal then what?

are you going to return to old eating habits? because the weight will return.
or are you then going to move to the next phase of atkins and continue to lose weight under goal?

just interested to know how you plan to maintain your weight loss?

lisa

[Elizellen]

Re: Extended Induction question

later i am not sure if atkins is the right diet for me because i want to exercise very heavy thus i will need quite a few carbs

AS you progress through the weightloss phases of Atkins you WILL be adding more carbs and if you are exercising too you will be able to eat more carbs while losing weight than if you do not exercise.

We have had members asking for advice on how to stop losing weight while consuming over 100 net carbs becasue they were worried about getting too slim

Once you reach premaintenance levels of carbs you could be eating lots of the 'good carbs' including many starchy vegetables.

Many athletes and weightlifters live a lowcarb lifestyle, so there is no reason you cannot do it too!

[2big4mysize]

Re: Extended Induction question

but extended inductions works fine for me and i am doing fine- any slower weight loss and i will become bored-- like i stated earlier i am doing this diet to lessen the pounding on my knees so that i can exercise much later-- later i am not sure if atkins is the right diet for me because i want to exercise very heavy thus i will need quite a few carbs

A little metabolism 101 is needed here. you are confusing the metabolic glucose energy system with dietary glucose. They are not one and the same.

right now your body is making glucose from your protein intake above that needed for growth and repair, from the hydrocarbon backbone of your fats, and the spend hydrocarbons from anerobic glucose metabolism and it is doing it very well. Our glucose needs do not drop to zero when we low carb. there are body parts that lack mitochondria so they can't use fatty acids not ketones for fuel. Also there isn't an off switch to force all body cells that can use fatty acids to make energy to not suck glucose from the blood stream so we are contantly making glucose all day long.

Next muscle cells that are feed a ketogenic diet ( that is a high fat low carb one) will generate more mitochondria( those are the power plants hwere aerobic energy production occues for both glucose and fats) per muscle cell and most muscle cells will store fatty acids so they have a ready fuel supply for making more energy as needed.

Your muscles do not know nor care how they get their energy molecules ( better known as ATP) and they will generate the exact some amount of energy no matter what fu;e produced the ATP.

Our bodies are also remaking glycogen from any extra glucose and storing that in the cells and organs too. Yep that water weight you lost as an inductee when you burned off all your glycogen reserves is returned over time eating atkins. Yep even those on exteneded induction are making glycogen.

Fatty acid fuels produce more ATP carbon for carbon then carbs do.

So when you workout eating low carb you are going to be amazed at your increased indurance and faster recovery period.

that said whenever you start your working out that is when your muscles will get told we need more mitochondria to make us more energy so son't wait to long to start stressing them.

As I said just taking a walk while you do your exteded induction will start the process and as you keep walking you will notice you can walk further and longer and even faster. I went from under 2MPH walking to 7.5 MPH walking in under a yr as I went from a 300+ pounder to 100erland.

[AndrewH]

Re: Extended Induction question

ok so if you stay on induction till goal then what?

are you going to return to old eating habits? because the weight will return.
or are you then going to move to the next phase of atkins and continue to lose weight under goal?

just interested to know how you plan to maintain your weight loss?

lisa

Via the old fashioned way, exercise. I'm an Ex-Marine, put on my weight after I was wounded. Once I get back to my old weight, I'll go back to the same life style. Use to spend 3 hours a day exercising, I'm slowly getting back to that now. Gym is 1h 30m a day/4 days a week, my Muay Thai/BJJ starts March 1st which is 3h 3 days a week and 1h 30m 3 days a week. My rest day will be Sundays.

I never really had what you'd call bad eating habits (other then not eating enough meals most days), sure I loved going to the bar with the guy for beer and wings or pizza but it was never the cause of my weight gain. 2 years of being immobilized followed by 1 year of light physio caused it.

I'm doing this diet due to how fast you can lose on it. Tried cutting portion sizes, etc. over the last year with no real success. I try atkins and drop 25lbs in the first month. I know a lot of people here are doing it for the long haul, and all the power to them but I can't see myself ever sticking with this style of eating. Plus, if I get back to my old routine, I am going to end up needing a much higher calorie diet in the first place (when I was in the Marines I was eating 3500-4000 calories a day, if I cut back I'd start to lose weight).

[2big4mysize]

Re: Extended Induction question

Via the old fashioned way, exercise. I'm an Ex-Marine, put on my weight after I was wounded. Once I get back to my old weight, I'll go back to the same life style. Use to spend 3 hours a day exercising, I'm slowly getting back to that now. Gym is 1h 30m a day/4 days a week, my Muay Thai/BJJ starts March 1st which is 3h 3 days a week and 1h 30m 3 days a week. My rest day will be Sundays.

I never really had what you'd call bad eating habits (other then not eating enough meals most days), sure I loved going to the bar with the guy for beer and wings or pizza but it was never the cause of my weight gain. 2 years of being immobilized followed by 1 year of light physio caused it.

I'm doing this diet due to how fast you can lose on it. Tried cutting portion sizes, etc. over the last year with no real success. I try atkins and drop 25lbs in the first month. I know a lot of people here are doing it for the long haul, and all the power to them but I can't see myself ever sticking with this style of eating. Plus, if I get back to my old routine, I am going to end up needing a much higher calorie diet in the first place (when I was in the Marines I was eating 3500-4000 calories a day, if I cut back I'd start to lose weight).

you seem to be operating under the assumption atkins is low cal. It isn't We feed our hunger! Working out in the gym you will be hungrier so you get to legally eat more. I did the BFL lifting plan 2 hrs 3 days a week and 60 min HIIT 3 days a week during my OWL losing and was eating around 115 net carbs AND over 3000 cals on hungry days. Many folk who lifted heavy ate cals.

I haven't been to the mens section since it was locked to females back back in the early days of ADBB but you can see guys eating atkins and lifting weights in there if the topics haven't been culled. Check them out and see for yourself the guns on the guys lifting heavy and eating atkins OWL

[lisa1]

Re: Extended Induction question

Via the old fashioned way, exercise. I'm an Ex-Marine, put on my weight after I was wounded. Once I get back to my old weight, I'll go back to the same life style. Use to spend 3 hours a day exercising, I'm slowly getting back to that now. Gym is 1h 30m a day/4 days a week, my Muay Thai/BJJ starts March 1st which is 3h 3 days a week and 1h 30m 3 days a week. My rest day will be Sundays.

I never really had what you'd call bad eating habits (other then not eating enough meals most days), sure I loved going to the bar with the guy for beer and wings or pizza but it was never the cause of my weight gain. 2 years of being immobilized followed by 1 year of light physio caused it.

I'm doing this diet due to how fast you can lose on it. Tried cutting portion sizes, etc. over the last year with no real success. I try atkins and drop 25lbs in the first month. I know a lot of people here are doing it for the long haul, and all the power to them but I can't see myself ever sticking with this style of eating. Plus, if I get back to my old routine, I am going to end up needing a much higher calorie diet in the first place (when I was in the Marines I was eating 3500-4000 calories a day, if I cut back I'd start to lose weight).





ok i understand now and appretiate your honesty with not seeing your self eating like this for the rest of your life ... but ...... are you refering to induction foods? ...because as you move through the stages there are a lot more choices ... and this wol is healthy .... so combined with your excercise surely a better way to go .

good luck

lisa

[AndrewH]

Re: Extended Induction question

ok i understand now and appretiate your honesty with not seeing your self eating like this for the rest of your life ... but ...... are you refering to induction foods? ...because as you move through the stages there are a lot more choices ... and this wol is healthy .... so combined with your excercise surely a better way to go .

good luck

lisa

When it comes to the OWL ladder, there isn't much in the way of the foods there that I'll eat. I'll periodically dip into WL 2 and 3 for the nuts and dairy but other then that, there is really nothing extra I'd eat till OWL 7-9 (and even then there isn't much I'd eat other then apples, potatoes and bread).

I look at it this way, yes I could probably stick with atkins and see the same future results after I hit my goal but I can also get those results with my old eating habits. It`s not like I would be going to get fast food every day, I'll still be technically eating healthy but without having to worry as much about what I put into my mouth.

[lisa1]

Re: Extended Induction question

When it comes to the OWL ladder, there isn't much in the way of the foods there that I'll eat. I'll periodically dip into WL 2 and 3 for the nuts and dairy but other then that, there is really nothing extra I'd eat till OWL 7-9 (and even then there isn't much I'd eat other then apples, potatoes and bread).

I look at it this way, yes I could probably stick with atkins and see the same future results after I hit my goal but I can also get those results with my old eating habits. It`s not like I would be going to get fast food every day, I'll still be technically eating healthy but without having to worry as much about what I put into my mouth.
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ok i totally understand
and if your exercising then i don,t see a problem either if it keeps your weight down.
and wish i had your motivation to exercise

just one more question (if you don,t mind im curious) what is it you are missing the most?

all the best

lisa

[AndrewH]

Re: Extended Induction question

When it comes to the OWL ladder, there isn't much in the way of the foods there that I'll eat. I'll periodically dip into WL 2 and 3 for the nuts and dairy but other then that, there is really nothing extra I'd eat till OWL 7-9 (and even then there isn't much I'd eat other then apples, potatoes and bread).

I look at it this way, yes I could probably stick with atkins and see the same future results after I hit my goal but I can also get those results with my old eating habits. It`s not like I would be going to get fast food every day, I'll still be technically eating healthy but without having to worry as much about what I put into my mouth.
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ok i totally understand
and if your exercising then i don,t see a problem either if it keeps your weight down.
and wish i had your motivation to exercise

just one more question (if you don,t mind im curious) what is it you are missing the most?

all the best

lisa

Breads/bread products by far. Followed closely by potatoes. I loved having sandwiches, whether it was a grilled cheese, ham sandwich or a sub. The two foods I miss the most are the two it takes the longest to be able to eat on Atkins which sucks for me lol.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Extended Induction question

you can make some low carb induction legal bread either with flax or the OOPSIE rolls. in OWL you can use nut flowers and ground seeds to make breads before you get to rung 9 or you could even do modified OWl and use some of your left over grams of carbs after you finish your veggies to swap out rungs keeping your carbs at the 20 gram limit. Debbie dd that and had great success shedding body fat. her shrinking head shots should still be here somewhere.