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**MissyMiss** · November 15, 2005, 06:40 PM

Re: My first 3 days....

This is my first time reviewing so please take what I say lightly and hopefully someone else can come in afterwords and state the facts if I make any mistakes.

First thing that sticks in my mind is diet soda. You really should cut that out. If your doing a "clean" induction you would not have any diet sodas, or otherwise. I am not sure but isn't diet coke made with asparateme? You should avoid that at all costs, and at the very least look for a diet soda made with splenda. I think that Coke offers one made with Splenda, but please avoid this (even with splenda) during induction.

I am not sure on the eggs, since your doing a lot of the whites, but eggs should be 4 total per day. One day you had 10 egg whites..if you stall I would consider this as a possible factor.

The fat free sliced meats you really have to watch out for. Generally they have more carb count than regular meats, remember your not trying to cut fats. Fats are you friend...between the turkey, the turkey bacon, the egg whites, etc. I am not really seeing you getting a lot of fats in besides in your mayo.

Pre-packaged salads, since you said you picked out the carrots I am assuming your talking about the iceberg salad mix, how about switching out with some nice greens like romaine? No carrots to pick out and much more nutritional than iceburg which is really just water and no nutrients.

Otherwise it looks great! How do you feel? Is it going well? Keep up the super good work!!

**Dee4811** · November 15, 2005, 08:05 PM

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wow thanks for the tips! I thought I was having to many eggs, but with the egg whites I thought this was ok since they have no colesterol. Can someone back up that you should have only 4--even if they are egg whites? The thing is I don't eat red meat or pork--but I should be eating more fish perhaps. As far as soda--ok no soda at all, but what about splenda in general--ok with some tea? Or I could cut that out to for the induction, which I plan on staying on until I lose 20lbs. Oh and turkey I bought says no carbs--yes! Here is my meal for tomm--sound better? I'm llooing for perfect here...

Day 4
Gallon of Water thru day
B-3 slices turkey, 2 cups spinach, 2tbs mayo
S- 3oz salmon
L-3oz ground turkey, 3 eggs, 1.5tbs butter
S- 4oz mottz cheese
D- 6oz chicken, 1cup asparagus, 1tbs mayo
Total- 1475/145/92/14/4145
(I am recommended to have at least 1800cl---was at 2,500...what should I add for more calories or should I not worry about it?)

**MissyMiss** · November 16, 2005, 04:31 AM

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Good Morning! I am not sure about the eggs like you said, I know we are supposed to do 4 total, but with egg whites, I am sure the factor is different.

How about cooking your eggs in butter (or is that where your butter is coming into play?). Maybe put some melted butter over your asparagus? Maybe een don't do fat free meats? I am sorry, I am probably not much help, your menu looks great. I get my fats from cooking with butter, and some mayo, etc. Butter is my friend.

The only other thing I think people might say is to spread your veggies out throughout each meal, from 2 cups of spinach at breakfast, to 1 cup at breakfast, one at lunch. It's best to equalize it out.

On the splenda, I know when I started atkins 2 yrs ago and when I first found this board, we were against using splenda during induction, however it seems to be more acceptable now, so I wouldn't worry about using a packet or two a day, it doesn't seem to bother others, however I do not use it, but I guess since I don't drink coffee, or tea it's easy for me to say that!

Best of luck to you, I hope I've helped some..

**2big4mysize** · November 16, 2005, 08:13 AM

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the board isn't against using SPlenda and never has been, you are limited toi 3 serivings a day of any sweetened product. We encourage you to give up sweets during induction so you can kill your sweet tooth as that was a major factor in your getting to the point you needed Atkins. Dr Atkins said sweets and desserts should be occasional teats not everyday events in the intro to one of his recipe sections so he didn't think we should indulge that sweet tooth either.

The Diet coke has caffeine in it and that is what is wong with it. Cafeine is an insulin stimulant something we on Atkins want to avoid.

Are you using the Atkins Essintials cause you have more then the 3 cups of veggies that DR ATKINS NEW DIET REVOLUTION better known here as DANDR allows for induction?

Now that you should be in ketosis rememeber to only eat as much of your meal as it takes to satisfy your hunger at the time you are eating and put the rest of for another time.

Remember also to try to spread your veggie carbs out to all measks as this will help when you move to the next phase and add more back you want to have a nice even day with soem protein some carbs and some fats at all meals

Try using one of the free online sites to log youe foods like www.fitday.com this will let you see if you are getting enough fats and stuff.

I'd like to see where that 4 total eggs came from as it isn't in DANDR.

**MissyMiss** · November 16, 2005, 11:20 AM

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Wow. When I was talking about the Splenda I was referring to induction. This is "my first 3 days" post so I assume induction. Guess just ignore everything I said.

You guys should really take a step back sometime and stop being so harsh to everyone, honestly. It's the same people over and over doing it too.

**Elizellen** · November 16, 2005, 02:50 PM

Re: My first 3 days....

Originally posted by MissyMiss

Wow. When I was talking about the Splenda I was referring to induction. This is "my first 3 days" post so I assume induction. Guess just ignore everything I said.

You guys should really take a step back sometime and stop being so harsh to everyone, honestly. It's the same people over and over doing it too.

I am sorry you took 2big's words as criticism of your advice - I am sure she didn't intend to be mean to you.

You gave good advice on Dee's menus - and you did say you weren't sure about the eggs. I know I have seen varous quantities given as suggested limits across the boards I visit, but as far as I have read in DANDR there are no limits on eggs - though I would always go for whole eggs rather than just the whites (except for meringues!!).

And you and 2big are both right - we do say try to keep clear of sweeteners of all types on induction to cure a sweet tooth and get that sugar monster off our backs!!

Thank you for caring about our members and helping a new Atkineer by commenting on her menus

**Dee4811** · November 16, 2005, 04:01 PM

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Great tips! I appreciate them all, as (for now) no one knows I am on Atkins (as it is only my fourth day and there is such a negative conatation) To be completly honest I ate very healthy the past 3 years--extremely (fanatic) and then had a whole life change from college, along with depression which caused me to gorge. Since I have been on Atkins--first "diet" sinced I gained 30lbs... I have seen diet coke with splenda as a treat---and I love that! Speaking OF: I am young and with youngsters who like to drink now and then. Tonight I am having Bacardi with no carb liquor and some diet splenda coke. Induction I Know---but I am only 24 and exersice 5x a week--is this a real no -no or am I ok?, since it has no carbs.
The real Q is: from what I understand eating to much "fake" sugar leads to hunger pains or a breadown of will power... That's why---in the book at least, which I haved skimmed, Dr. Atkins want us to stay away from such things. But will I still lose weight with no carb drinking once every 2 weeks? So far I have eaten only 550cl today and feel great!! However it might just be the denial of food that gets me this "high". I need a support group for this... and to you all I look. I demand perfection... so harsh or honest is ok--yet to let you know I think (though I haven't weighted) I have lost 2-4lbs in the last 4 days.
I thank you---Dee.

**Dee4811** · November 16, 2005, 04:04 PM

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P.S .... I appreciate any help... "to take is good, to give is fantastic." philosopher of mankind.

**Elizellen** · November 16, 2005, 04:12 PM

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If you are following induction rules - then alcohol is a no-no to be left till you reach the alcohol rung of OWL.

I havent even tried it yet though I am further up OWL so could have if I wanted BUT - when you drink alcohol it will stop any fat burning and losses till the alcohol has been used as 'fuel!! AND your body might start storing fat again too!!
so every time I have considered drinking any I have chosen to stay with sparkling water at celebrations or social get toghethers - I want to lose this weight more than I want a drink!!

Another thing to remember if you do chose to go off induction and drink alcohol is that many people find it reduces their resistance to non-induction foods and they wake up with a hangover AND the knowledge they have fallen off the Atkins wagon.

**MissyMiss** · November 16, 2005, 04:49 PM

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Elizellen, thank you for your post. Sometimes I read posts on menu reviews that I really think it sounds like people are being quite rude. Maybe it's just me however. I was just trying to help since noone else had responded but maybe I better hold off on reviewing for a while. Thanks again for your post, and I would like to say you are a huge inspiration for me! I think this is the first time we've posted in regards to each other and I've been wanting to say that for a while now.

**2big4mysize** · November 16, 2005, 05:55 PM

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yep what Elizellen said about the alcohol,
avoid the alcohols until you get to rung 5 of OWL so you can see how well your body handles Atkins first.
Alot of folk discover to late that alcohol effects their carby food judgement while thy are out too.

Be the designated driver and make sure your drinking pals get home safe then nobody has to know why you didn't drink if you don't want to tewll them.

Good job on the exercise. Simce you want support how about joining one of rour many exercise challenges. Then you are held accountable for that part too.

Happy low carbing

**Moochiecat** · November 16, 2005, 06:58 PM

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I just wanted to interject, since I respond to a lot of these messages here, that we certainly aren't meaning to sound snotty when we review a menu.
Sometimes it can be quite a cut&dried black&white sounding answer...but the sentiment behind it comes from a caring human being, trust me on this.

Lots of times we don't give the person the answer they want, but that would be doing a disservice. Stressing the right way of doing things is the best thing we can do for someone.

I remember when I was first new here and someone told me to "Read the book!" I thought, gee, thanks, that's just so helpful

...but it turned out to be the best advice ever!! lol

Anyway..we're here to help...it comes from the heart, but sometimes it comes out as tough love.

**MissyMiss** · November 17, 2005, 05:17 AM

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It has nothing to do with giving a person "the answer they want".

**Elizellen** · November 17, 2005, 01:24 PM

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Thank you for the compliments, Missy

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