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  • #16
    Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

    Don't be down hearted, our bodies are set for survival! Being in ketosis does mean you are burning adipose body fat, keytones can only be produced by the breaking down of our body fat and not directly through your days dietry intake. If you would like the Bio-Chem overview of this I can provide you with it, it's always debated but medically speaking, it is the case.
    Thank you for saying this so much more clearly than I did. Seriously.

    What I should have said and left it at (and was trying to relate) is that being in ketosis does NOT equal weight loss. If you are eating and storing more than you are burning off, it's going to store as fat and it's not going to matter if you're burning fat for energy or not. You wind up essentially replacing it as fast (or faster) as you get rid of it.

    Now, as for calories. Dr. Atkins said that for the first few weeks, calories don't matter. This is because you are getting your body into ketosis and detoxing your system of the nasty carbs/sugars. As you enter and become established in ketosis, your appetite decreases and you naturally don't eat as much. So the calories are regulated naturally.
    Generally speaking, this is true...except that the calories aren't regulated naturally, your appetite is. They calories are only regulated naturally IF you only eat to satisfy your appetite. I dunno about you guys, but I didn't get fat because I ate only to satisfy my appetite and then stopped. This area will eventually need to be watched by most people. It will take longer for some than others, but until we retrain our brains and psyche - over-eating can (and often is - I'm not a huge believer in stalls. I don't find them mysterious - we cause them 99.9% of the time.) and likely will happen. If this is the case, being in ketosis isn't going to matter. Excess is stored as fat. Period.

    BMR is so general and just an estimate. I tend to advise people to eat to appetite. Our bodies will tell us what we need, we just have to learn to listen. I refuse to force feed to get to a certain number that's questionable at best when gotten through various online calculators. JMHO.

    k, the devil's advocate role.....40-minutes of exercise a day, reduction in calories, reducing some "fatier" products like mayo and cheese....results in weight loss. This is not specific to Atkins or low carb eating. This is true of any diet! If you exercise this much, this often, and reduce calorie intake, you cannot necessarily claim that you lost weight due to low-carb eating. All diets advocate exercise and a reduction in calories. Isn't this the claim Atkins' critics proclaim all the time?
    You're absolutely right. It's not specific to Atkins or low-carb eating. Reduction in calories (whether you choose to do that through fat or carb) is necessary to lose body fat. You have to eat less than you use up.

    You can, however, absolutely claim that whatever eating plan you're following is the cause of your success. Had you not chose an eating plan, regardless of what it is, you wouldn't have success.

    People often mistake Atkins as claiming that you don't have to reduce to lose. He said no such thing. Dr. Atkins said himself that someone eating at induction levels and taking in 2000 calories a day will not lose as fast as someone eating at induction levels and taking in 1000 calories a day. It's common sense. What Dr. Atkins did say is that there's a metabolic advantage to ketosis (burn more without doing more, per say) and that as a result of ketosis you experience appetite suppression.

    The bottom line is that we have to find the path that we can follow comfortably to get to where we want to go. If eating low-fat gets you there, that's awesome. I tried several times to get where I'm at today doing the low-fat thing and it didn't work for me and the way I eat. I found that eating low-carb worked much better for me overall. I was less hungry, had plenty of energy, it made it easier for me to not feel deprived (to me sacrifice is no real cheese, mayo, ranch or bacon!), and to stick to it - cuz NO weight loss plan works unless you stick to it.

    I can say without a doubt that the Atkins woe is a big part of why I lost weight, but I will not say that's all of it. It wouldn't be true. I exercise regularly, but I do it for more than just heart health. I exercise regularly to increase my BMR, to increase my strength, to improve my posture, reduce stress, sleep better, reduce risk factors like osteoporosis, etc etc. It's a big picture thing! I know lots of thin people that aren't healthy. I never intend to be one of them!

    ~Brook

    My Melting Page: A Picture Diary and Misc Other Stuff


    Highest Weight: 243lbs

    Atkineer since May 2002!!

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    General rule of thumb for success: If it requires a degree in chemical engineering to pronounce it, you probably shouldn't eat it.

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    • #17
      Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

      People often mistake Atkins as claiming that you don't have to reduce to lose. He said no such thing. Dr. Atkins said himself that someone eating at induction levels and taking in 2000 calories a day will not lose as fast as someone eating at induction levels and taking in 1000 calories a day. It's common sense. What Dr. Atkins did say is that there's a metabolic advantage to ketosis (burn more without doing more, per say) and that as a result of ketosis you experience appetite suppression.
      I agree fully. Watch your caloric intake, especially when you are not following induction for the first 14 days.

      Atkins is a reduced-calorie diet.

      Exercise is also essential for calorie burn!

      Right now I can't eat more than 1,000 calories a day. Yesterday it was 850. I burned 870 by exercise.

      If you are stuck, count calories. It will make a difference.
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      • #18
        Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

        i think one very simple rule will help you....

        if you take in less calories then you burn in a day, you will lose weight.

        atkins is not a licence to eat as much as you want of meat, cheese, etc. ketostix are a huge mental bump for me. i KNOW if i see that color change an I dont overeat, I will burn my bodyfat right off the bone. they also are an indicator to me that i did not screw up in my busy life and eat a no-no. it is a verification that i am doing part 1 right... part 2 is controlling how much i shovel into my pie hole... and for me, part 2 is the hard part.

        one more thing... if i dont drink my water, i dont lose anywhere near as fast. for me, i drink at LEAST 100oz a day. when i dont, i lose about 66% as much per week... and i refuse to handicap myself like that.

        i just hit my 4th week and an down 2 - 4 pounds consistenly each week. at your size, i would expect good progress to me 1 - 3 pounds a week.

        bottom line is make sure you are doing Atkins... not your version of Atkins.

        best of luck!

        -Erik
        Erik, 34, 5'10"

        HW: 265 SW: 235 CW: 209 GW:200
        Started 8.28.05 Total Loss: 26lbs

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        • #19
          Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

          Originally posted by Finelly
          But the deal is that you need to be eating around the same number of calories as your basal metabolic rate (bmr). The bmr is the number of calories that your body uses to simply exist on a minimal level - if you lay on the bed all day and didn't move a muscle. Some call it the basic metabolic rate, or the resting metabolic rate.
          I agree. I lost 70 lb my first year, and decided I wanted to get 10 more off after I maintained the 70 lb loss for 6 months. I found my BMR on www.countcarbs.com under the Tools option. And I ate at my BMR or only 100 calories over (1400-1500). I lost the last 10 lb in ONE MONTH doing that. I felt satisfied, and even had one day a week where I allowed myself 2000 calories. Worked great! And lost like crazy. Calories do matter.
          Keep doing what you're doing & you'll keep getting what you're getting!!!
          213.5/126-131/140, 5'5" age 33
          Original Goal: 160
          Size 22/4-6-8/8
          Start BMI: 35.5
          Current BMI: 21.8
          Maintenance
          Started Low Carbing 5/23/03
          Started Atkins 6/11/03

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          • #20
            Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

            This is all very confusing! So Atkins is NOT about counting carbs, it's about counting calories - just like every other diet out there. And that's why it works! So why stick with it if it's not working? I'm obviously taking in more calories than I'm burning, so I DO need to go hungry in order to lose weight.

            None of this makes sense to me.
            On modified low-carb plan
            164.5/159.5/130
            Walking 20-30 minutes/day, 5 days/week

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            • #21
              Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

              Nutri-- if you are not exercising, you're probably not using up more than you're taking in regardless the eating program!

              And it's not necessarily why you're stuck. It's just one of the reasons you could be stuck.

              {{{nutri}}}
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              • #22
                Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                ARE you taking in more calories than you are burning? How do you know?

                What's your bmr? What is your average daily intake?

                In addition to posting that, could you post what you ate yesterday? Then we could all take a look at it and see what you could eliminate or add.......

                As to your final, very frustrated question, why stick with it if it isn't working? Because you shouldn't quit until you've at the very least allowed us to see your food plan and caloric intake an bmr!
                Started Atkins 2d time 6/20/05
                218/187/140
                Measuring every 2 weeks
                As of 10/31/05, losta total of 56.75 inches!



                Minimum 45 min cardio per day

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                • #23
                  Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                  Yup, don't be so quick to give up on it.
                  What Cleo and Finelly said.
                  Keep doing what you're doing & you'll keep getting what you're getting!!!
                  213.5/126-131/140, 5'5" age 33
                  Original Goal: 160
                  Size 22/4-6-8/8
                  Start BMI: 35.5
                  Current BMI: 21.8
                  Maintenance
                  Started Low Carbing 5/23/03
                  Started Atkins 6/11/03

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                  • #24
                    Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                    If it's all about burning and counting calories, then all I need to do is eat what I want, count the calories, and make sure I chose an exercise that burns more than I've taken in.

                    Yes, I need to exercise. But I can do that and eat what I want and still lose, right?

                    Yesterday I ate:

                    Two eggs for breakfast.

                    Snack: approx. one slice of cheese, microwaved crisp to a cracker, chicken salad

                    Lunch: 2 hamburger patties with lettuce, pickles, and onion

                    Snack: About 10 pecans, 1/2 oz. fried cheese

                    Dinner: Mixed salad with sauteed chicken
                    On modified low-carb plan
                    164.5/159.5/130
                    Walking 20-30 minutes/day, 5 days/week

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                    • #25
                      Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                      I don't understand the bmr deal. How do I find that? And isn't that, once again, all about counting calories and not carbs??
                      On modified low-carb plan
                      164.5/159.5/130
                      Walking 20-30 minutes/day, 5 days/week

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                      • #26
                        Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                        It works if you stick with it and follow the program. Are you? You have to work the whole program, just like all the rest of them. Pieces and parts aren't going to cut it.

                        Honestly, I'd really be interested to see what your menus for 2-3 days look like. I'm willing to bet the nice people around here would have suggestions for you.

                        There's no reason in the world for you to be hungry. None what-so-ever. Eat until you're satisfied - but therein lies the trick- learning to STOP when you're satisfied. Finding the point where you learn your body well enough to stop eating when your body is satisfied is what will carry you through. If your body is hungry, FEED IT - but be picky. If you're truly hungry, when you open up that fridge eating meat/veggies isn't going to be an issue. It won't be one of those "well, I'm not hungry for that" things - cuz then you're feeding your mind and not your body.

                        Learning to stop when your body is satisfied is essential. Unfortunately, that doesn't always mean your mind/emotions are satisfied (thus that whole over-eating thing). It took quite awhile for me to pin-point that and work with it.

                        But yep. The basics are the basics are the basics. Eat less than you burn and you lose weight. That's true of all the plans, but the beauty in Atkins and similar ketogenic diets is that you don't have to be physically hungry. It just doesn't fix the rest of it. I've always believed that the biggest part of weight loss isn't the food or the exercise - it's the mentality and the relationship we have with food.

                        Don't over analyze. Don't over think it. Be really, truly honest about what you're eating (journal and see!!) and what you're doing to bring yourself closer to your goals every day. It's not easy and it requires a lot of 'sucking it up and owning it' type stuff, but the results are worth it. They really are!


                        ~Brook

                        My Melting Page: A Picture Diary and Misc Other Stuff


                        Highest Weight: 243lbs

                        Atkineer since May 2002!!

                        *****************************************


                        General rule of thumb for success: If it requires a degree in chemical engineering to pronounce it, you probably shouldn't eat it.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                          If it's all about burning and counting calories, then all I need to do is eat what I want, count the calories, and make sure I chose an exercise that burns more than I've taken in.
                          The problem with this is this: Garbage in, garbage out. 1000 calories in ice cream is NOT the same as 1000 calories in good, lean protein , good fats and good veggies. Where the macronutrients come from counts - not only in the nutritional arena, but in the way your body uses them.


                          Questions:

                          What kind of cheese? Big slice? Thin slice? What's in your chicken salad and how much of it did you eat? How big are your hamburger patties? Are two of them what it's taking to satisfy your hunger? How much water? Anything else you're drinking? Coffee? Tea? Diet Soda? If yes, what and how much? What's in your mixed salad? How much of it did you eat? Do you use salad dressing? What kind and how much? How much chicken and what was it sauteed in?

                          My Melting Page: A Picture Diary and Misc Other Stuff


                          Highest Weight: 243lbs

                          Atkineer since May 2002!!

                          *****************************************


                          General rule of thumb for success: If it requires a degree in chemical engineering to pronounce it, you probably shouldn't eat it.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                            Yes, I need to exercise. But I can do that and eat what I want and still lose, right?

                            I can feel your anger and frustration coming right through my monitor. I'll bet there's a lump in your throat, too. Or else I'm just projecting how I get when I feel so frustrated........

                            Yes and no to answer your question. If you choose to eat only 12 little debbie snack cakes per day and exercise enough to burn 1/2 of them off, you will probably lose weight. But your cholesterol will go up. Your triglycerides will go down. You won't be getting the vitamins and minerals you need. Your digestive system will suffer. And you will eventually not have enough energy or desire to do the exercise.

                            1/2 of Atkins is about losing weight. The other half is about eventually getting to the point where you are eating 6-8 servings of veggies a day, lots of protein, and healthy carbs such as the veggies, whole grains, fruits. This half is where the HEALTH comes into the picture. The longevity kind of health. The blood workup good news kind of health.

                            Besides feeling like you want to give up, crawl into bed and eat a box of bonbons and say to h%*ll with the world and this overenthusiastic Atkins crowd, how have you been feeling PHYSICALLY?

                            I don't know your bmr and I can't count calories without fitday, but it looks to me like your food intake is fine. You are eating minimal amounts of cheese, by the way, so I wouldn't eliminate that. Are you using a high-fat salad dressing?

                            Some things you could try are:
                            1. Eating MORE fat. A lot of people find that if they go to 70% fat for awhile, they lose.
                            2. Weight training. You're gonna have to do this eventually. It really helps you burn more.

                            By the way, what DO you want to eat?
                            Started Atkins 2d time 6/20/05
                            218/187/140
                            Measuring every 2 weeks
                            As of 10/31/05, losta total of 56.75 inches!



                            Minimum 45 min cardio per day

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                            • #29
                              Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                              Brook,

                              I don't mean to be difficult. Like I said, I question things. I want to know what works and why. What I am hearing is that counting calories, not carbs, is what counts. But that isn't the claim Atkins makes, although answering the question of carb counting vs. calorie counting is somewhat contradictory and circular (see: http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/18-934442.html). In answering the critics' comment that Atkins works because it restricts calorie intake, Dr. A says "no, but yes" in his answer, but then follows that with an example of children who lost weight taking in more calories than a low-fat group.

                              Brook, I saw your menu when you posted that awesome letter to your son's teacher. You don't eat much! That is the first thing that came to my mind.

                              Can I not eat what I want and still stop when I'm full? Would that work just as well as eating only what's allowed on Atkins and stopping when I'm full?

                              See, this just doesn't make sense to me. I'm trying now to justify following this WOE over simply eating what I want until I'm full and exercising. What is the advantage to following Atkins?
                              On modified low-carb plan
                              164.5/159.5/130
                              Walking 20-30 minutes/day, 5 days/week

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                              • #30
                                Re: Week 3: no weight loss, no inches lost

                                So Atkins is NOT about counting carbs, it's about counting calories - just like every other diet out there.
                                I missed this...

                                Nope. Not at all. Atkins is a manner in which insulin resistant and insulin sensitive folks can get a full grip on blood sugar issues that cause them to feel like garbage & crave like mad, as well as give them a ketogenic advantage.

                                HTHS
                                ~Brook

                                My Melting Page: A Picture Diary and Misc Other Stuff


                                Highest Weight: 243lbs

                                Atkineer since May 2002!!

                                *****************************************


                                General rule of thumb for success: If it requires a degree in chemical engineering to pronounce it, you probably shouldn't eat it.

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