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    Dear friend,

    Today, instead of replying to one of the thousands
    of fat loss questions I receive every week, I felt not
    only compelled, but morally obligated to comment (rant)
    on what I REALLY think about the "fat blocker" drug Xenical
    going over the counter (OTC) (and on diet drugs in general)

    After reading this, please feel welcome to comment,
    discusss or speak your mind on the subject at
    http://www.BurnTheFatBlog.Com

    According to headlines this week, Xenial (orlistat)
    may become the first over the counter diet pill.

    Xenical is currently a prescription only drug
    approved by the FDA for weight loss, which works
    by blunting fat absorption by blocking the
    digestive enzyme lipase.

    The prescription version of the fat-blocking pill
    Xenical made by Roche was originally approved in 1999.
    A year ago, GlaxoSmithKline bought the United States
    rights to Xenical from Roche

    On January 24th, Federal health advisors voted 11-3
    to recommend approval of over-the-counter sales of a
    (lower dose) version of Xenical, after an all day hearing.

    GlaxosmithKline is hoping before the year is out, this
    litte blue fat-blocking pill will be available at your
    local drugstore without a prescription.

    If the FDA gives final approval, which could take months,
    the over the counter version will be called, Alli
    (pronounced like "ally")

    What is Xenical (Alli), and what does it do?

    Typically, weight loss drugs are designed to curb your
    appetite. Xenical does something totally different:
    It prevents some of the fat you eat from being absorbed
    - it simply passes through your digestive system.

    In case you're wondering, yes, there are potentially
    uncomfortable and even embarrasing gastro-intestinal
    side effects: oily discharge, leaking, urgency, flatulence,
    oily spotting, liquid stools, incontinence...

    Oh, forget the political correctness... it can make you
    sh** your pants! (still enthused about this "wonder pill?")

    An appetite suppressant or a thermogenic is not a long
    term solution to obesity either, but at least they might
    have some type of value under certain circumstances when
    the cost to risk benefit is acceptable.

    Xenical on the other hand? This drug is just plain stupid
    and so is the idea of making it OTC.

    The truth is, if you are really thinking long term, and
    particularly if you are not moribidly obese, ill, and in
    need of means of last resort, then...

    TAKING ANY PILL TO LOSE WEIGHT IS DOWN RIGHT STUPID.

    Drugs do not "cure" diseases. Drugs do not heal. Drugs hide.
    Just because you sweep the dirt underneath your carpet doesn't
    mean your home isn't still filthy.

    A drug can only temporarily relieve symptoms. Key word:
    temporarily.

    Did you ever consider for a moment that body fat is a symptom?

    A symptom of inactivity.
    A symptom of suboptimal nutrition.
    A symptom of accumulated poor lifestyle choices.

    Taking drugs is like clipping the leaves off weeds to try
    to keep weeds out of your garden, but the only way to keep
    the weeds out of your garden is to PULL THEM OUT BY THE ROOTS!

    Plus, every drug - including over the counter drugs - has side
    effects - sometimes extremely serious side effects. That doesn't
    mean no one should ever take any drugs. It means you must consider
    the risk to benefit ratio of any drugs you take before making
    a decision.

    When you combine a supportive healthy nutrition program that
    FEEDS and maintains muscle, consisting of natural, unprocessed
    foods, with a lifelong exercise program that BURNS FAT, then
    you have yourself a long term health solution. This is the
    only true way to rip the weeds of obesity out by the roots.

    Making this drug over the counter is a big mistake.
    Why?

    Well, first of all, if it goes OTC, it may encourage
    people to start becoming fat phobic again.

    Didn't we go through an entire decade of low fat diets
    already... and then go through another decade of low
    carb diets?

    Are we now going to go through another fat phobia phase?
    A balance between macronutrients is ideal, not removal
    of an entire food group, whether that is fat or carbs or
    whatever. Think BALANCE!

    Dietary fat doesn't make you fat, and most people are
    woefully lacking in good, healthy essential fats like
    those found in fish, fish oil and flax. Using fat blockers
    will probably mean less absorption of the good fatty
    acids necessary for good health.

    Second, this drug also has great potential for un-policed
    misuse and abuse if it goes over the counter.

    Jim Foster of the excellent www.diet-blog.com website says,
    "This will not help those who already have problems with
    laxative abuse. A number of groups are concerned it will
    be used as medicated bulimia - encouraging binge-eating
    in young people."

    In his blog article, 'Xenical Over the Counter: Big Mistake?'
    Foster continues..

    "On the MSNBC site, there is an overwhelming vote of
    confidence for the drug. Of over 132,000 votes 59% say
    they will try it because "...I can't lose those last 10
    pounds." Of course, these results are very skewed as the
    people reading the article are people with an interest
    in the drug.Even so, these results are concerning. I strongly
    believe that a drug such as this must be prescribed by a
    physician. This move will simply enforce the quick-fix
    mentality. Xenical is already guilty of a series of
    aggravating ads in Canada - attempting to associate
    glamour with the drug."

    Third, Xenical, and Alli, if approved, may encourage
    people to eat more fatty, sugary refined junk food instead
    of less because they may be thinking that part of it won't
    even be absorbed.

    Fourth, another problem is that fat soluble vitamin intake
    will go right out the you know what, along with the fat.
    Doctors usually recommend a multi vitamin supplement to
    patients taking Xenical for this reason.

    You know what I think? I think this is drug company greed,
    plain and simple, pandering straight to the "something
    for nothing" attitude that pervades our society today.

    It's also a desperate attempt to revive a lousy loser drug
    that many people have taken a pass on refills due to it's
    undesirable side effects and long term ineffectiveness.

    If a doctor told you that you had diabetes or high blood
    pressure or high cholesterol... or even that you were
    suffering from depression, what would your response be?

    Im not sure about you, but most people, especially
    Americans, would instantly say, 'OK what drug should
    I take?" and the physician would be quick to prescribe it.

    Many physicians and health professionals consider obesity to
    be biggest disease in the world, and they say that it should
    be treated like one.

    The truth is that obesity is one of the biggest businesses
    in the world and is being treated like one!

    Weight loss is potentially the biggest market on Earth
    for drug sales, and the stakes couldn't be higher.

    The Glaxo company estimated that 5 to 6 million Americans
    a year would buy the drug if offered over the counter. Those
    numbers could mean at least $1.5 billion a year in retail sales.

    Glaxo also says that Alli would cost $12 to $25 a week.
    Sounds like a hundred bucks a month down the toilet to me
    (literally!)

    But what about the research? Clinical trials showed that
    patients taking xenical lost on average 5.3 to 6.2 pounds
    more than weight than the group taking a placebo.

    In 6 month clinical trials for the proposed over the counter
    drug, patients on Alli lost 4 to 5 pounds more than the
    group taking a placebo

    What do I think about that?

    Maybe the subjects ate less fat due to the fear that
    eating fat = leaking stools. (in fact, on one website,
    a patient answering a survey said, "The drug forced me to
    avoid fatty foods if I wanted to keep my underwear clean.
    I lost a lot of weight". Nice)

    maybe some of the subjects in the studies felt that it
    wasnt working so they dropped out. Diet drug studies have
    very high drop out rates, so the people remaining
    were the ones who got the best results.

    Maybe if the control group and the placebo group were
    put on the same caloric intake, then the group taking
    xenical lost more weight simply because fewer dietary
    fat calories were absorbed!

    Do you think if you weren't in a controlled study
    environment where your food intake was monitored, you
    would really control your intake, or would you be more
    likely to eat a bunch of greasy junk because you were
    thinking your body wouldnt absorb it?

    Translation: the study results are biased, skewed
    and misleading

    THE BOTTOM LINE???

    My advice to all our fine medical doctors out there:
    start prescribing exercise and sensible eating first,
    and drugs only as means of last resort.

    My advice to the legislators and government agencies
    involved: You are making a big mistake making this
    drug over the counter. Keep it by prescription only,
    so at least the doctors can supervise and "police"
    it's use and it doesn't get abused by teenagers
    and people with just 10-30 pounds to lose who really
    dont need it.

    My advice to everyone who wants to get healthier
    and leaner:

    "Burn The Fat and Feed The Muscle". Make that Your MANTRA!

    You gotta exercise (BURN) and you gotta eat (FEED). If
    you do these two things right then even if the pharmaceutical
    giants come out with a pill that really is safe and actually
    works, you can save your money because YOU won't need it!

    Train hard, eat right and expect success,

    Tom Venuto, NSCA-CPT, CSCS
    Fat Loss Coach
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  • #2
    Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    Xenical is a wonderful drug...if you want oil to shoot unexpectedly out of your bottom! Just ask one of my patients who had it happen at a seminar .... where she was giving lecture ....while her bottom was facing the audience ...yeah that is desirable wouldn't you say???

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    • #3
      Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

      Good read. It's a shame really that everyone is looking for a pill. Even if you beleive the studies.....5-6 pounds over 6 months....with the chance of leaking etc. Not for me. Give me food...and fat
      elle
      265/265/150


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      • #4
        Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

        I ate a lot of fat to get thin

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        • #5
          Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

          Great post Betty - thanks for flagging it up!
          Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
          Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



          Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!





          F/60 yrs/5ft 5.5" (Though due to collapsing vertebrae I am now only 5'3" - but I refuse to recalculate my BMI )

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          • #6
            Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

            The patent for the drug is probably running out so the company is trying to avoid competition from the "generics". The same tactic was used for Zantac and Claritan.
            ~Megs~
            242/141/160 (130)
            dress size 26/10/8
            5'4", Female, May 2, 2003
            My blog:
            http://mformiscellaneous.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

              Originally posted by not2late
              The patent for the drug is probably running out so the company is trying to avoid competition from the "generics". The same tactic was used for Zantac and Claritan.
              EXACTLY!!!!

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              • #8
                Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                The OTC version will have 1/3 of the potency of the prescription version. I used Xenical for 6 months as directed and it helped me lose an ENORMOUS amount of weight. I didn't have any of the "embarrassing" side effects (sure my stools were loose, but I never once lost control or had oily panties). You simply can't decide that you will take this pill and it will counteract the effects and calories of a chinese food dinner. You use this pill IN CONJUNCTION WITH a healthy diet and exercise WHICH IS WHAT I DID and it does it's job. And, based on personal experience, it does a damn good job. When I reach a plateau, as I did last time, I will once again get a prescription for Xenical - at full strenght. IMHO, the OTC version will be too weak to even bother taking.

                In defense of this drug vs. appetite suppressants and all the others, this one has absolutely NO effect on the central nervous system, or on the heart or brain. It's effects are on the digestive system and, when used responsibly and properly under the guidance of a qualified medical practitioner, is an effective tool to AID weight loss.

                It's the dummies of the world that are looking for a cure-all pill that give this a bad name. And it's the ones who crap their pants who tell the stories. Here's a story from someone who had a good experience with it - and we far outweigh those that have oily undergarments.
                40/f
                Calgary, Alberta
                Atkins Maintenance

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                • #9
                  Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                  There isn't much I haven't tried in the past to achieve weight loss... and let me just tell you that Xenical was the worst! It was a messy ewweey mess! I only lasted on it for a couple of weeks before I decided that I didn't care if the pill works...it wasn't working for me.
                  If it does go over the counter I cant imagine that it will have great success...for very long. After the first few greasy accidents someone has I don't think many people will stay on it.
                  Now I am here, doing Atkins, which is by far the most rewarding/sustainable/effective WOL.

                  For gosh sakes I had a hot dog for breakfast! What could be better then that?!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                    I'm sure some people have had a good experience with this. Those who used it responsibly anyway. I tried Claritin after it went OTC and it was useless so once I couldn't get it by prescription anymore I stopped taking it. I agree, they will probably reduce all the active ingredients so unsuspecting people who aren't under a doctor's care don't hurt themselves too much. It just makes me crazy that all you see on t.v. are commercials for fast food, frozen cakes from your grocer's freezer and oh hey yah, here's a diet pill for you to lose those unwanted pounds. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Don't get me started. Ban the twinkies I say!
                    Female, 46yrs, 5'3"

                    Restarted Atkins 09/19/05
                    Re-restarted Atkins 03/12/07

                    SW198.5/CW215/GW150







                    Slug Free 6WEC#21 & 22 & 23

                    "Superhuman willpower is not required to do Atkins, only the wisdom to put yourself into a position where you won't need it."

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                    • #11
                      Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                      Great read Betty! Why is it that people are always looking for the quick fix? It took years to gain the weight, why do people expect to lose it overnight? Pills are temporary fixes, unless you want to take them forever, and then think of the side effects!!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                        Clinical trials showed that patients taking xenical lost on average 5.3 to 6.2 pounds more weight than the group taking a placebo.
                        In 6 month clinical trials for the proposed over the counter
                        drug, patients on Alli lost 4 to 5 pounds more than the
                        group taking a placebo.

                        ... so at least the doctors can supervise and "police" it's use and it doesn't get abused by people with just 10-30 pounds to lose who really dont need it.
                        Okay I don't get it. What's the point? What's even the big deal? Their clinical trials show an extra 6 pounds, tops, weight loss.
                        But, they're concerned that people who have only 10 to 30 pounds to lose might decide to try it??? C'mon, get real!!! Those are the only ones who stand to benefit.

                        For a seriously overweight person, the only people doctors are supposed to prescribe to, 6 pounds or less isn't really all that much. Especially considering the side effects! But hey to the person who only wants to lose 10 pounds, that 6 pounds is a huge difference, almost to goal.

                        Yeah no wonder they want their product to go OTC.
                        - fiddlejen



                        1st start 11/2000
                        SW274/low178/maint~210
                        ReStart date 1/17/06
                        SW234/CW220/GW134

                        5'8" 37/F

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                        • #13
                          Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                          I knew a girl who lost a lot of weight using Xenical....she lost it so quickly, but ended up having to get her gall bladder out because of such a quick loss

                          She claimed to be eating a high protein low fat ,low carb diet along with using the pills.


                          I also tried using those pills myself, but they didn't work.... oh well!!
                          34 yr old Female

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                          • #14
                            Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                            Originally posted by Lynner
                            It's the dummies of the world that are looking for a cure-all pill that give this a bad name.
                            But that's the problem isn't it ? We have too many Dummies.

                            This drug is going to be totally abused. There is no doubt.

                            The biggest problem in the Western World is our official nutrition education. The public in the past couldn't get quality advice. We are still being led down the path of the low fat.

                            It took me many years to de-program myself of the Low Fat dogma. I got brainwashed in all those WW meetings that I paid for!

                            Here is a program (DANDR) that is allowing millions of people to drop weight without the aid of drugs, without advice from a nutritionist. And they run screaming away from it because of a lie. the lie being "It could cause damage in the future". "But by all means buy this expensive drug off of us!".
                            My ADBB Journal here.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Xenical OTC? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

                              That's a good point Dave!

                              I think this is all part of that "lets put fear into the minds of the consumer/audience so they will react in favour of us". And it goes for many things besides weight loss by the way.

                              Media is a very powerful tool.
                              34 yr old Female

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