Too much red meat?

[stephbob]

Re: Too much red meat?

I wasn't a vegetarian before atkins, I just ate very little meat. I didnt mind increasing my intake of meat, but I do limit myself to what meats I can stomach the thought of eating lol.
My dad was a butcher for the whole of my life, so it put me off I guess, being there everyday and seeing the animals.
Saying that (and adding a bit for weirdness to my family lol) my dad, a butcher for 30 something years, was a vegetarian the whole time lol

[sallyseachange]

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I'm with Betty and 2big on this one. Sugar causes more probs than anything... Red meat is fine. Variety though is never a bad thing. Follow your instincts...

Oh and yes... Presidentholmes is right; you do look fantastic!
Sal

[goin2Bgood]

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I thought all food turned to sugar when it enters the body. I guess we should all stop eating. Im curious to read that do you know where he said that. Can you post a reference?

It says (bolding my own): Interestingly, it has also been shown that reducing your glycemic load appears to diminish your risk of developing colo-rectal cancer. One likely reason is that cancer cells feed off sugar.

As far as where in chapter 8 it says that go find what page yourself. I have better things to do than spoonfeed someone who hasn't even bothered to read the book.

If you ever do read the book you'll see very clearly how Dr. Atkins felt about sugar and high glycemic index foods and the impact on your health.

[Heidi3]

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I think that no one should eat the same thing over and over again that is what is not healthy....if there is something in a product you are worried about..the you reduce the concentration in your body if you "spread the wealth" so to speak....

in order to stay healthy and avoid any crappy side effects of this diet ....you have to eat a wide variety of foods .best to do so closest to where they come from and during the season they grow in.....it only makes sense

too much of anything is bad for you..I think we all know that right????

ok lecture over....

[yemenitegreen]

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Cancer and sugar

http://deptmed.med.som.jhmi.edu/Internist/nov99/tumors.html

Mercola, while not always on track, has summed it up pretty nwatly http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/8/sugar_cancer.htm

yemenitegreen

[Piasabird]

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Cancer and sugar

http://deptmed.med.som.jhmi.edu/Inte...99/tumors.html

Mercola, while not always on track, has summed it up pretty nwatly http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/8/sugar_cancer.htm

yemenitegreen

Sorry, but I don't do Dr. Mercola. But if anyone wants to know more about him he can be found on Casewatch - Your Guide to Health Fraud- and Quackery-Related Legal Matters.

My mother is dying from colon cancer. Right now she is under going chemotherapy treatments to keep her alive longer. My paternal grandmother died from colon cancer.

With my family history, I'm not going to ignore a 20 year study by The American Cancer Society in lieu of some doctor of questionable charactor (Dr. Mercola). I don't profess to be the sharpest tool in the shed but maybe it's sugar AND fat that's bad for you.

We'll be seeing mother's oncologist on the 9th. of Feb. and I'll ask him about the cancer/sugar connection. It will be interesting what he has to say about it.

[Super Duper Matt]

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Cancer and sugar

http://deptmed.med.som.jhmi.edu/Inte...99/tumors.html

Mercola, while not always on track, has summed it up pretty nwatly http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/8/sugar_cancer.htm

yemenitegreen

Is it so difficult for people to understand that glucose isnt just something that comes from chowin down on a twinki?

From the article, "But one of the biggest obstacles to using a sugar-starvation treatment in cancer patients is that central nervous system cells can’t function properly without glucose. “The brain is the only important organ that depends on glucose, so we need a drug that cuts off the tumor clls’ ability to get glucose but does not cross over into the brain,” says Dang. “It might even be possible to alter 2-deoxyglucose so it behaves in this manner.”"

You are going to have glucose in your body NO MATTER WHAT because you need it to survive. The Atkins diet is not going to change that fact.
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As far as sugar feeding cancer goes, Dr. Atkins seemed to think it did. He says so in DANDR.

It says (bolding my own): Interestingly, it has also been shown that reducing your glycemic load appears to diminish your risk of developing colo-rectal cancer. One likely reason is that cancer cells feed off sugar.

As far as where in chapter 8 it says that go find what page yourself. I have better things to do than spoonfeed someone who hasn't even bothered to read the book.

If you ever do read the book you'll see very clearly how Dr. Atkins felt about sugar and high glycemic index foods and the impact on your health.

Oh the ego. I have an older edition of the book, I have the 2002 on order and no were in the one I have can I recall him discussing cancer and sugar. He does talk about Diabetes and Insulin but not cancer. Can you prove me wrong? Can you back up what you say with sources? You do know what Diabetes is right? Its not cancer. I'm more then happy to spoon feed you information, its how baby intellects grow....

[goin2Bgood]

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I already gave you a direct quote from the book. That WAS the reference you asked for. Read the 2002 edition when you get it. It's not MY fault he doesn't say the same thing in your older edition.

I said Dr. Atkins seems to think there was a connection between sugar and cancer and *gasp* I gave you the quote I was refering to. Why are you having such a hissy fit that I was able to provide the quote?

[Super Duper Matt]

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I already gave you a direct quote from the book. That WAS the reference you asked for. Read the 2002 edition when you get it. It's not MY fault he doesn't say the same thing in your older edition.

I said Dr. Atkins seems to think there was a connection between sugar and cancer and *gasp* I gave you the quote I was refering to. Why are you having such a hissy fit that I was able to provide the quote?

I see where you ripped it off the Atkin's website but no book reference. Hmmm I guess everything on the Atkin's corperate sight comes from the good Dr.

http://www.atkins.com/research-library/nutrition-articles/the-importance-of-the-low-glycemic-impact-part-2

But yet, no book reference.

[fluffyman]

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It's entirely acceptable to ask questions and debate. It is wholly unacceptable to be rude and condescending, especially for a newcomer.

I know what diabetes is. I also know what manners are. Do you?

Is it so difficult for people to understand that glucose isnt just something that comes from chowin down on a twinki?

Can you prove me wrong? Can you back up what you say with sources? You do know what Diabetes is right? Its not cancer. I'm more then happy to spoon feed you information, its how baby intellects grow....

[Super Duper Matt]

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It's entirely acceptable to ask questions and debate. It is wholly unacceptable to be rude and condescending, especially for a newcomer.

I know what diabetes is. I also know what manners are. Do you?

Good Sir,

I appologize for being rude. I just find many of the member on this board to be careless in what they are saying and the advice they give. Stating personal opinions as facts and telling members misleading half truths. Atkins may seem to be a miracle to so many of you.

Atkins is an unbalenced way of eating to correct an imbalance within ourselves. Sugars arn't always the enemy, many times it is ourselves.

People may think that I am opposed to eating red meat. Infact I have a steak twice a day. I get a good deal on food because I am in the military.

So many people on here say "talk to a doctor" about medical questions and many do not. Some people are giving medical advise that is just wrong and I find it fustraiting. And guess what? No one cares because it goes along with the preordained atkins dogma that sugar is bad!!!!

The Atkins WOE is great for us. We can loose weight on this diet and be satisified. For many people this isn't the right solution for them.

Matt

[goin2Bgood]

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I see where you ripped it off the Atkin's website but no book reference. Hmmm I guess everything on the Atkin's corperate sight comes from the good Dr.

http://www.atkins.com/research-libra...-impact-part-2

But yet, no book reference.

Chapter 8, page 83 in 2002 paperback DANDR. And BTW, I didn't know it was online but thank you for the link.

Now I am done talking to you. I do not lie about what is found in DANDR. And I certainly have no time for jerks.

[Heidi3]

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what about moderation? hmmm? just curious ...

[Super Duper Matt]

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Chapter 8, page 83 in 2002 paperback DANDR. And BTW, I didn't know it was online but thank you for the link.

Now I am done talking to you. I do not lie about what is found in DANDR. And I certainly have no time for jerks.

Thank you. Ill take a look at it soon. Not even a little time?

[2big4mysize]

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Dang it ate my post

Pisa I did read that paper on another site not the WedMD review of it but the actual paper they referred to. Again the stuudy was not on red meat frequency of eatting and colon cancer. it says folk who ate redmeat and processed meats and pork andother meats. There is no way to correctly say red meat eating caused it.

MAtt
actuaslly very little fat is converted to glucose. yes ther hydrocarbone back bone glycerol can be converted to glucose when glucogenesis has been activated but most glycerol in humans ic converted to other chemical compounds in the body.
Only cells without mitochomdria like red blood cells. coetain parts of the brain and retina actually need glucose as their only fuel source. Many of those " you got to have carbs cause the brain can't use ketones" folk don't undertand ketones exist in 3 forms in the human body and one is water soluble and will pass the blood brain barrier and be used for fuel.

What TTDRIVERS article said was unlike human cells that can burn fatty acids and glucose for fuel cancer cells can only use the anerobic part of the glucose pathway as fuel. For that reason low carb eatting cuts back substancially on the availible fuel for them to burn. SInce glucogenesis can only take place when insulin is low and cells need insulin to move the glucose out of the blood stream and into themselves thery both can't be going on at the same time. again it looks like Atkins eating will hinder their growth.