Do calories count?

[Heidi3]

Re: Do calories count?

Don't you have a whole play pen to make this point Cleo?

[BikerGoddess]

Re: Do calories count?

First off, let's review the meaning of the word "count"...

Main Entry: 1count
Pronunciation: 'kaunt, dial 'kyaunt
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French conter, compter, from Latin computare, from com- + putare to consider
transitive senses
1 a : to indicate or name by units or groups so as to find the total number of units involved : NUMBER b : to name the numbers in order up to and including <count ten> c : to include in a tallying and reckoning <about 100 present, counting children> d : to call aloud (beats or time units) <count cadence> <count eighth notes>
2 a : CONSIDER, ACCOUNT <count oneself lucky> b : to record as of an opinion or persuasion <count me as uncommitted>
3 : to include or exclude by or as if by counting <count me in>
intransitive senses
1 a : to recite or indicate the numbers in order by units or groups <count by fives> b : to count the units in a group
2 : to rely or depend on someone or something <counted on his parents to help with the expenses>
3 : ADD, TOTAL <it counts up to a sizable amount>
4 : to have value or significance <these are the people who really count>


Yes, calories count, unless you'd like to argue with Mirriam and Webster, too. You can *count* calories without restricting them. You can be aware of what you're doing. Where's the problem with that?

Heidi, your obsessive personality obviously makes counting calories a bad choice for you, but why does that negate this option for the rest of the planet? Does it not matter if it helps anyone else because it didn't work for you?

2big, did anyone give any number recommendations? "Eat less than you burn" covers a LOT of ground. ****, I didn't even say by how much. However, if you get a rough guideline of your BMR (from wherever) and tend to eat less than that (gosh, doesn't even have to be every day) you'll lose weight. It's *EXACTLY* what you're saying by "feed your hunger". However, not everyone can do that. Do those people not deserve to lose weight? Do we tell them they'd better just damn well figure it out or we're not helping?

Barb, that quote was taken out of context. It's a juvenile response when you don't have a real argument. No, you can't eat chocolate cookies on Atkins. But while following the rules laid out in the book (and beyond Induction), it is possible to use different methods. Look at the differences in how often people weigh, measuring (he says cups, others 'feed their hunger'), the activities, I could go on an on. The point is that it's possible to customize within certain boundaries, but you can't change things like gravity and the fact that you have to expend more calories than you take in.

While we're on the subject, the water numbers thrown around aren't in the book, and neither is the ratio.

Laura

[Heidi3]

Re: Do calories count?

ok let's count how many times we have to make this point? k?

[Heidi3]

Re: Do calories count?

Ok I humble and am out of the loop this is a stupid issue and I am stupid enough to get caught up it in

[Barbde]

Re: Do calories count?

\Barb, that quote was taken out of context. It's a juvenile response when you don't have a real argument. No, you can't eat chocolate cookies on Atkins. But while following the rules laid out in the book (and beyond Induction), it is possible to use different methods. Look at the differences in how often people weigh, measuring (he says cups, others 'feed their hunger'), the activities, I could go on an on. The point is that it's possible to customize within certain boundaries, but you can't change things like gravity and the fact that you have to expend more calories than you take in.

While we're on the subject, the water numbers thrown around aren't in the book, and neither is the ratio.

Laura

How is it taken out of context Laura?? You are either telling someone to follow the book or you are not. Juvenile response? I think not. The point was that you can't have it both ways. Either you are going to give advice by the book, or you are not!

[cleochatra]

Re: Do calories count?

bikergoddess

See, now if I could word things like that I'd be so much better off. Thanks for always being who you are: concise, amazing, scientific, pragmatic, and on topic.

Binsk, if you have any questions about calories, you'll see that the board is somewhat divided on the subject. As bikergoddess illustrated, not everyone agrees what is acceptable and mentioned in the 2002 version of DANDR. The ratios aren't there, as an example, but those are sometimes touted as though they were. Calories are mentioned, but people mistake (I believe) low-cal/low-carb for high-cal/low-carb, and that's where the lines become very much crossed. It happens.

[cleochatra]

Re: Do calories count?

Barb-- as Laura stated, ratios are not mentioned in the book but are treated as though they were. Granted, they are practical advice outside of the book... so where is that line drawn, especially when Atkins didn't say calories do not count? It's one of those things.

[Jasmain]

Re: Do calories count?

Heidi, there are a number of us who feel exactly as you do, count us all in the juvenile number. I don't think you're the only one the barbs everyone is tossing around are hitting. Some of you may think that veiling things will get them past us, but while we are juvenile, we're also smart enough to see veiled insults, and some not so well veiled. The problem with this thread is not the differing opinions, it's the way they are made and the fact that while people are trying to make valid points to get across what they are trying to say, they are also throwing stones at people while living in a glass house. I tend to get aggravated myself and discount any opinion that comes with snide remarks and attempts to hurt someone's feelings.

Following a mean comment with hugs and kisses doesn't make it hurt any less, nor does it bring forgiveness. I teach my children to not call people names.

I would also like to point out that those posting aren't the only ones reading this, and no one is making a very good impression on them, I'm sure. Way to go.

[Heidi3]

Re: Do calories count?

Heidi, there are a number of us who feel exactly as you do, count us all in the juvenile number. I don't think you're the only one the barbs everyone is tossing around are hitting. Some of you may think that veiling things will get them past us, but while we are juvenile, we're also smart enough to see veiled insults, and some not so well veiled. The problem with this thread is not the differing opinions, it's the way they are made and the fact that while people are trying to make valid points to get across what they are trying to say, they are also throwing stones at people while living in a glass house. I tend to get aggravated myself and discount any opinion that comes with snide remarks and attempts to hurt someone's feelings.

Following a mean comment with hugs and kisses doesn't make it hurt any less, nor does it bring forgiveness. I teach my children to not call people names.

I would also like to point out that those posting aren't the only ones reading this, and no one is making a very good impression on them, I'm sure. Way to go.

Thank you I wish I could articulate this well...stupid me back after saying I wouldn't ...I am so obsessive!

and please no hugs and kisses this is flu cold season and I don't want to get sick

[BikerGoddess]

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lol, it's juvenile to discount everything Cleo said by pulling one quote out of context. No one here has offered any proof that calories *don't* matter. Just their opinion on whether it's mentioned in the book (it is) and whether anyone should count them or not.

You may feel free to discard everything I say, but that doesn't make the science invalid.

Laura

[Barbde]

Re: Do calories count?

Barb-- as Laura stated, ratios are not mentioned in the book but are treated as though they were. Granted, they are practical advice outside of the book... so where is that line drawn, especially when Atkins didn't say calories do not count? It's one of those things.

I never said calories don't count. Just SHOW me where it says to COUNT them. I have seen so many successes and I hadn't heard of any of them COUNTING calories, which is the point that you seem so intent on getting across.

[ttdriver]

Re: Do calories count?

Humming ...


'why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends'..........

Betty

[Barbde]

Re: Do calories count?

Chapter 2, page 17

"So it's time to abandon the assumption that the only way to lose weight is to strictly control your intake of calories. Many people think that only one thing matter: how many calories you take in and use up. It's not that simple"

[Jasmain]

Re: Do calories count?

All I am telling you is that since this started, the only points I've seen made have come with childish behavior and namecalling at which point, I discount the entire person's reasoning, regardless of whether it's right or wrong. If a post makes you wince because people can't make a point without feeling the need to jab at someone, their opinion becomes useless, and I believe a lot of people are feeling the same. This place has no point to it anymore.

Have you ever been talking to someone who was trying to change your mind about something and the way they presented it just totally turned you off because of their attitude? I hope you have, because this thread is full of it. It doesn't even matter if you're making a valid point any more. You have to have the respect of your readers first. I see nothing but disrespect here for the feelings of others. It's a fight thread.

[Barbde]

Re: Do calories count?

lol, it's juvenile to discount everything Cleo said by pulling one quote out of context.
Laura

So everything Cleo said applies to what everyone else thinks is OK, that is not in the book, but does not apply to Cleo's thinking that is not in the book??