Crazy Nutrionist

[RenoWifey]

I went to see a nutrionist today(per my doctor's request) and she made me feel really bad (and confused) about my WOE.

She says that based on my weight I should be eating 45 carbs per meal, yes per meal.

I explained to her I was doing Atkins and was really feeling good and had lost a lot of inches. She told me Atkins was going to kill me and that it was only a temporary weigh loss.

Now I feel confused---Should I eat 45 carbs per meal ( As I was told, the brain needs carbs) or should I continue with Atkins.

She gave me a booklet of meals that are 45 carbs per measl. Just looking at this booklet gives the creeps.

[Miss Phode]

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Nutritionists from what I understand base their information and advice on the food pyramid, which obviously isn't Atkins. I can't tell you what to do, but I'm sure 2big will come by with some excellent advice. Obviously on this board, we recommend Atkins, and feel it's safe and effective.

[2big4mysize]

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well first off you should have ask her for the scientific studies to back up her points that usually shuts them up.
Secondly is there a medical reason you needed a nutritionist or was this some anti atkins on the doc too?

for decades they thought (no proof just thought) nothing in the way of fuel but sugar coul;d cross the blood brain barrier so they said you had to have enough carbs to power the brain abot 400 cals a day. Boy were they wrong. Stay with me and don't panic cause I'll show you were you get the fuel that I'm about to tell you you need. Red blood cells and some parts of the retina actually need sugar (glucose) as fuel becaus ethey don't have mitochondrias to process fatty acids. Certain areas of the brain a very very small amount of brain tissue also muct have sugar (glucose) because they discovered that ketones exiast in 3 forums in the body and the form used for energy is water soluble and can like glucose cross over into the brain tissues.

So what have you just learned.
a) she was right some body parts do need sugar(glucose)

b) she was wrong no body part needs just carbohydrates

the human body is a marvelous fueling machine. we can take fats and make glucose we can take protein and make glucose
and we can take carbohydrates and convert them to glucose.

How you say does my brain make sugar? well brains are consumers not producers so they draw what they need from the blood stream.
muscles can be both producers and consumers but not exporters so they will not help make any for the brain.

However the human liver is a great factory of glucose and will export as much as it makes. it can take spent carbohydrate remains from energy reactions and piece then back together to make glucose but it needs energy itself to do that.
The liver can also breakdown the carbobhydrogen part of the protein molecules and make glucose which is why Dr Atkins says to not eat our Atkins plan too high in protein. All protein not needed for cellular repair and growth will be converted to sugar with up to 58% of a normal Atkins eaters protein intake being done this way.

The human liver can also take the hydrocarbob backbone of the fats and convert then to sugar too. See and you thought a fat was only fat burned in fatty acid oxidation.

the liver uses the same process, glucogenesis, with the same activation molecule known as glucagon to do all that sugar making. That is also the same molecule needed to breakout the fat molecules from storage and get them moving to be oxidized as body fuels so while we are burning fats we are also making sugars for those body parts that need only sugar.



Not a very bright dietician was she?

[changing]

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Thanks, 2big, for laying it all out there... I love whipping out the hepatic glucogenesis stuff when people get on me with "THE BRAIN NEEDS GLUCOSE Nahni nahni goo goo" arguments... it's lovely to be able to say, "yes, but you don't need carbohydrates to produce glucose."

This is well-explained, and I will add this to my understanding of the physiology of digestion/metabolism (catabolism/anabolism).

[changing]

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P.S. Nutritionists are crazy!

[not2late]

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I went to see a nutrionist today(per my doctor's request) and she made me feel really bad (and confused) about my WOE.

She says that based on my weight I should be eating 45 carbs per meal, yes per meal.

I explained to her I was doing Atkins and was really feeling good and had lost a lot of inches. She told me Atkins was going to kill me and that it was only a temporary weigh loss.

Now I feel confused---Should I eat 45 carbs per meal ( As I was told, the brain needs carbs) or should I continue with Atkins.

She gave me a booklet of meals that are 45 carbs per measl. Just looking at this booklet gives the creeps.

Your nutritionist is going by the Food Pyramid recommendations.

I have a question though, is there a reason you are seeing a nutritionist?

[ttdriver]

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( As I was told, the brain needs carbs)

They aren't helping her!!

STICK WITH ATKINS.

Betty

[ValidRouge]

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I went to get my body composition (LBM and fat%) and also my resting metabolic rate done today. The guy giving the test was giving me the spiel on calories in vs calories out. Then he went onto talking about how most diet plans are ultimately low calorie whether they be low-fat, low-carb, whatever. Then went on a tirade about Atkins and how people could "drink a gallon of bacon grease" for breakfast and lose weight but then they would be running around with "their eyes ticking from how it attacks the central nervous system." blah blah He then asked me what I was doing to lose the 62 lbs I've already lost. I told him I cut out sugar, flour, and processed foods and that I eat meats and vegetables, fruits. He said "THAT'S GREAT", "Exactly what you should be doing". I even totally explained adding foods back into my diet one at a time to check my body's tolerance of them. He went on and on about how I was doing everything right. I just smiled and didn't say a word. I can't wait until I get my cholesterol screened again and lose some more weight and replace it with LBM!!! When I go back to see him again for my next test...I'm going to take him those results and a copy of DANDR.

[fawn]

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2big is so absolutely right on!
I acutally learned the above in a nutrition class I took this past semester.
I had to bite my lips a couple of times but fortunately, I had an instructor who believed in omitting all white product from the diet and limiting grains. As well, she was very quick to point out that a serving of brown rice or whole grain pasta is only 1/2 cup. Though she was not an Atkins advocate, her core beliefs were that of Atkins maintenance and this gal always advises all of her patients to eat organic. There are some good nutritionists out there. When I advised her of this and loaned her my copy of DANDR, she had a new outlook. By the way, the most important thing I learned in this class is that Doctors generally only have 3 hours of nutrition education.
They are in fact as others stated basing their advice on the pyramid.
You have some really healthy well educated mentors on this board.
Stick with these people and I promise if you work the plan it will work for you.
Don't forget to "get healthy" and try to transition to more and more organic foods if you have the opportunity. Additives in fake foods will most certainly contribute to degenerative diseases.
Peace

[Rubysugar]

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I get all giddy when 2Big busts out those big words...
*shiver* Do it again! Do it again!

[not2late]

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2big is so absolutely right on!
I acutally learned the above in a nutrition class I took this past semester.
I had to bite my lips a couple of times but fortunately, I had an instructor who believed in omitting all white product from the diet and limiting grains. As well, she was very quick to point out that a serving of brown rice or whole grain pasta is only 1/2 cup. Though she was not an Atkins advocate, her core beliefs were that of Atkins maintenance and this gal always advises all of her patients to eat organic. There are some good nutritionists out there. When I advised her of this and loaned her my copy of DANDR, she had a new outlook. By the way, the most important thing I learned in this class is that Doctors generally only have 3 hours of nutrition education.
They are in fact as others stated basing their advice on the pyramid.
You have some really healthy well educated mentors on this board.
Stick with these people and I promise if you work the plan it will work for you.
Don't forget to "get healthy" and try to transition to more and more organic foods if you have the opportunity. Additives in fake foods will most certainly contribute to degenerative diseases.
Peace

Yup, this diet is so vastly misunderstood by alot of people!

For some bizarre reason, people generally think the Induction phase is the entire Atkins diet. (Even people who allegedly read the book think that! ) So you get alot of "It's impossible to do Atkins long-term because there isn't enough variety and there isn't enough nutrients."

Once I got a "Oh, I'm sooooo glad you're off that stupid diet!" because I was eating a some grapes. Yeah......right......

[Lisa M]

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Hope you're able to bring your book along with some more information from the net, library, and other doctor's findings on how eating low carbs really work.

I wonder if the person took a biology class?

I get all giddy when 2Big busts out those big words...
*shiver* Do it again! Do it again!

That's proof that 2Big attended and researched biology and chem

[staziaw]

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2Big - you are my goddess! Your info as dead-on and bless you for always being Jane-on-the-spot!

Joy - Congratulations!!! I can't wait to hear about your next lipid test! Mine continues to change for the better as I move through this WOE. Fortunately, I have a doctor who is very supportive of Atkins (thank goodness!).

Fawn - 3 hours of nutritional training? Really? That's scary! We put so much trust in our doctors to know what is right for us!

Re Atkins in general - why, oh why, do people have this notion that we are all eating a "gallon of bacon grease" every morning, and a steak at lunch, and another at dinner? It's frightening! I went to dinner this weekend with some friends I hadn't seen in a while. They noticed how much weight I've lost and asked how I was doing it. I truthfully and proudly said, "Atkins." Oh, the terror in their eyes. I was going to die, have heart failure, blow up right in front of them. The funny thing is, I had a piece of grilled salmon with butter and lemon, a small dinner salad with a little ranch dressing, and nice big portion of cauliflower. Healthy, yes? They had pasta, bread, rice (sometimes all on one plate) AND dessert (sugar sugar sugar). I did take a strawberry off a friend's cheesecake - she didn't want it!! And I'm the unhealthy one. Stunning!! Of course, they were all moaning and rubbing their bellies after dinner, saying how full they were. Me? Well, I was pleasantly satisfied and not overly full at all. OH!!! And to top it all off, they were drinking wine, a lot of it, plus cocktails before dinner, and port with dessert. Me? Water, baby, water . . . all the way. It was all too funny to watch, because not that long ago, I was them!

And they were all griping about how they would have work out at the gym for 3 hours today to make up for things they ate. LOL!!!

XO,
Stacy

[2big4mysize]

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thanks guys I try to make it easy to understand when leaking my brain when called upon by a memeber but now if you let me debate Atkins with this dietician I can draw the skematics to go with it and stick in all the energy usage and production stuff too. Bet y'all didn't know we get more fuel per carbon atom from our fats them from our carbohydrates.

Hey renowife you didn't give us any help with the reason you are seeing the nutritionist so we can asssit you better to know what knowledge you needed her to impart on you.

if you are a diabetic we have a forun for that too but many even our former mod Canuk who is written up in Dr Atkins diabetic book just used the DADNR plan and monitored their blood sugars closely as they moved up the OWL rungs.

if you are deficient in something we can help you find foods high in it too.

[fawn]

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2big I agree with everyone. What a valuable asset you are. I learn new things from you every day that I read this board.

However, you make me dizzy too!