What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

[LC_Dave]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

Well the original 1972 Atkins induction was zero carbs. (Please not this board follows the 2002 edition)

When you do zero carbs you need to a have a high fat intake compared to protein. If you eat a lot of lean protein you can develop problems like possibley Rabbit starvation.

The importance with the Ketogenic diet is Fat.

I would advise suppliments whether you are either 20 grams of carbs or not, just to be on the safeside.

And before people start telling me zero carb diet is not in the 2002 edition, well the Fat Fast is zero carb.

The best thing about the veggies on induction is that it breaks up the monotony.

[not2late]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

The Inuits eat raw animal protein, particularly the organ meat which is high in vitamins. Cooking denatures some vitamins, such as vitamin C.

What's kind of cute is if you look at the causes for hypervitaminosis A (too much vitamin A) one of the causes is bear liver ingestion. That's because back in 1597, an explorer described how he and his men became gravely ill while subsiding on bear liver
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/348/4/347

Re: the 1972 Diet....It wasn't really 'zero' carbs. Here's the rules and food list from the 1972 Diet.

THE DIET REVOLUTION RULES

1. Don’t count calories.

2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.

3. Don’t eat when you’re not hungry.

4. Don’t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it’s there.

5. Drink as much water or calorie-free beverages as thirst requires. Don’t restrict fluids…but it is not necessary to force them either.

6. Frequent small meals are preferable.

7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.

8. Every day take a high-strength multivitamin pill.

9. Read the labels on "low-calorie" drinks, syrups, desserts. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

MEAT

Steaks, corned beef, lamb chops, tongue, hamburgers. Any kind of meat in any quantity—except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged "cold cuts".

FOWL

Duckling, turkey, chicken, Anything with wings. No stuffing

FISH

All fish, including salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oytsers, clams, mussels, scallops, and pickled fish

EGGS

Boiled, frieds, scrambled, poached, omelet—any style and with no limitations

DESSERTS

Gelatin with artificial sweeteners (e.g. D-Zerta)

CONDIMENTS

Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that contains no sugar.

DRINKS

Water, mineral water, Vichy, club soda, beef or chicken broth, boullion; sugar-free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee

*Special note on the caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (1 cup). If you know you have low blood sugar, better to limit it to three . As of the date of publication, Diet Rite Cola and Diet Pepsi contain not only caffeine but a significant amount of carbohydrate, so fair warning, read the labels even on diet drinks carefully and control your intake accordingly.

SALADS

Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil,salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus….olives.

FATS (BUTTER AND MAYONNAISE)

Butter, margarine, oils, shortening, lard, mayonnaise. (Fats have no carbohydrates.)



JUICE

Juice of one lemon or lime.

CHEESE

Four ounces a day of any hard, aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.

HEAVY CREAM

Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk—so don’t use milk).

[LC_Dave]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

We are talking 20 grams of carbs here - it aint much.

It's also not biologically necessary, just some people like it.

[jcapulet]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

We are talking 20 grams of carbs here - it aint much.

It's also not biologically necessary, just some people like it.

No, it's not much but the 20 grams is supposed to be health-boosting veggies. You won't die if you don't eat veggies, but you'll live better for sure if you eat them.

[jcapulet]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

Well the original 1972 Atkins induction was zero carbs. (Please not this board follows the 2002 edition)

Ah...that was why I was doing all protein/fat back then, I had that edition of the book. I couldn't figure it out after I got the new book, I thought I'd gone nuts reading the book wrong back then.

[G-Mom]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

Lisa, did you read Megs' post? 1972 version had veggies listed, it was not no carb.

[jcapulet]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

Lisa, did you read Megs' post? 1972 version had veggies listed, it was not no carb.

Oh..no, I didn't read it.

It's so weird, I don't know why I was eating all protein/fat back then! Dangit I was hoping I hadn't read it wrong

[G-Mom]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

That's ok, hun! No biggie, I wonder why you did that, perhaps the old mindset, "if low carbs are good, then no carbs must be better!"

[cmcole]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

I think that was the mindset of a lot of people, and still is, regarding Atkins, and why they considered it so unhealthy.

Of course, there are a lot of people who eat Paleo who restrict carbs to only minimum amounts, too, but nobody seems to rake them over the coals for it.

[LC_Dave]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

Obviously the 1972 version is irrelavent on this board, and we must be conscious of the guidelines at .

That being said Dr. Atkins says what we need from fruit and veggies is the vitamins, not the carbs. He was a big advocate of vitamin suppliments because his practice included complementary health.

Actually Dr. Atkins turned me onto vitamin suppliments and i am a big believer now thabks to him.

I see it as hedging bets, and making sure you get that essential ingrediant - the vitamins.

If someone decides to go Zero carb it could be for a number of reasons - sometimes digestion, and intolerances, and allergies to plant food.

This lady here is one person that has discovered serious side effects to veggies and fruit.

So as Dr. Atkins used to say: "Not one diet fits everyone", and a lot of his patients over the years did zero carb.

So the concluding point is that you will not suffer negative side effects from zero carb.

[Lady66]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

I didnt eat carbs for two days thinking I would lose a pound or so and I actually gained weight and when I went back to eating carbs, I lost weight, odd.

[Chris]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

That's ok, hun! No biggie, I wonder why you did that, perhaps the old mindset, "if low carbs are good, then no carbs must be better!"

I did just that back in '72. I had zero carbs for about a week and a half, and then went out to dinner with my SO. I figured I had been so good, that I'd have a cocktail before dinner. I did, as well as one glass of wine with dinner. That was the last thing I remember until I woke up in my bed the next morning. My SO said that I seemed fine until we got home, and I refused to get out of the car. When I finally went inside, I found a credit carb application that I had received in the mail, and decided to fill it out. When it was shown to me, that next day, it looked like it had been done by a 7 year old!

By the way, I remember reading about an Englishman who decided to live on the Inuit diet for a year, just to see if there were any ill effects. He emerged at the end of the year feeling better than when he started!

[LC_Dave]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

Chris,

yeah not a good idea to drink alcohol on that kind of diet, but maybe it could have been buffered by some fat.

[shellybeth]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

I'm curious what changed his mind about artificial sweeteners....

[not2late]

Re: What happens if I eat NO CARBS at all

I'm curious what changed his mind about artificial sweeteners....

In another of his books (Dr. Atkins' Health Revolution), he wrote that the ultimate goal is to wean oneself off added sugars and that artificial sweeteners can help make that transition easier. He surmised that after you killed your sweet tooth using artificial sweeteners (in limited quantities), you could eliminate the artificial sweeteners as well.

In his books, Dr. Atkins' bottomline was to eat an appropriate amount of carbs for your body and to eat minimally processed, whole foods. He blamed the refining and processing of foods and artificial ingredients for many of our health ailments, because the more a food is refined and processed the more nutrients it typically loses. Also the process of enriching foods with "lost" nutrients isn't complete because foods are only enriched with certain nutrients not all of the ones they lost.