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    Hi I have a question. My name is Sarah I have been on and off here since 2003. I lost 43 pounds in 6 weeks on this the firsttime. Then like an idiot I quit and regained. I want to do this agin. Especially because I know it works. But, here is my question. PLease no one get offended for me bringing this up I am sincerely wanting to get back on this way of life but the following scared me to death... See. I lose weight so quickly on this I am scared this could happen to me...Have any of you heard of this story or have any input? I know if I don't just ask you all I will never start... Thanks so much Sarah~

    here is what I found.......What do you all think??
    Rachel Huskey of Sturgeon, Missouri

    In August of 2000, this 16-year-old high school student collapsed in her history class and died. The possible cause of death was a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, according to her doctors. Huskey, who had no known medical conditions, learned about the diet from videotapes purchased from a television advertisement. She followed the diet closely, eating meat, cheese, and other high-fat foods. A post-mortem examination of Huskey revealed low calcium and potassium levels in her blood. According to Dr. Paul Robinson, an assistant professor of child health at the University of Missouri, Columbia, those depletions disrupted Huskey’s normal cardiac functions and caused her heart to stop. Those depletions, Dr. Robinson said, may have been caused by her adherence to a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet.

    The following statements were made by Paul and Lisa Huskey at a news conference on Nov. 20, 2003, at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

    Lisa Huskey: “In 2000, my daughter Rachel and I went on the Atkins diet. It seemed like it was a wonderful thing that you could eat anything you want, lots of meat, it wasn't real restrictive except for the carbohydrates. We were six to eight weeks into the diet, and we had decided to take the children on an excursion before school started. So we went off [the diet] so we could eat what we wanted to eat. We were off probably approximately two weeks, and when school started Rachel began back on the diet.”

    “There's the real stringent period at the very beginning, and she was on the eighth day of that diet. And I know the morning she got ready to leave, she had come back early that morning to get some shoes for band practice--they were starting marching band practice that day--and had left back to school.”

    “And we got a call about 1:30 in the afternoon and said your daughter has collapsed in class. And I asked if she was breathing. They asked me if she had epileptic seizures. I said, no, she has no history of that. And we ran up to the school, and, therefore, when we got there, she was not breathing, nor the heart was beating. They were performing CPR on her. She had, before collapsing, went up to the trash can to throw something away, and when she went back to her seat she just collapsed on the floor and dropped.”

    “Once we got her to the hospital, we found out that she had had an arrhythmia, and that she had passed away. And her electrolytes were all messed up from this diet. And it sounds like it's really good, like it's too good to be true, and it really is. It's very dangerous. Very dangerous diet. I wish I would have known what I know now.”

    Paul Huskey: “I'd just like to say that Dr. Atkins gained her trust and then turned right around and betrayed it. And that betrayal, I wish, could have been damage to her heart or anything else. We don't have our daughter any longer. I'm asking all of you not to consider putting your loved ones on this diet because you could be next. If it's one in a million or one in however many, if that one is your child, it's one too many. Thank you.”

    Lisa Huskey: “I would also like to add to that, too. With my daughter, there was nothing wrong with her. She had tree allergies. The only thing that was different in her life before she died was the Atkins diet. That was it. There was nothing else different going on with her. So, I mean, at the risk of losing weight, if I had known the risks -- I mean, everyday people don't know the physiology of a lot of this stuff. They just take him and trust him at his word, and we paid the ultimate price when we lost Rachel.”
    I can do all things through Jesus our One true Lord whom strengthens me!
    Thank you Jesus!

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    Re: Question for you all.....

    I didnt read the whole thing, didnt need to. I can guess what it would of said

    Theres always a scare story no matter what you do - ya know, stepping foot in a car, flying on a plane, walking a dog, doing any eating plan.

    If you follow this WOE to the TEE and that means getting all you veggies in, drinking all your water with a bit more on top, exercising regularly, theres no dangers... look at all us here, heres thousands of members, surely this would of happened to some of us.

    One thing i did wrong when i first started in 04 is not drink enough water, i got kidney pains bad ones!! i ran all the way to the ER i was SO scared!
    one thing you'll see me say all the time on this board is - Drink more water!

    Im sure what happened to Rachel was tragic - however im positive there was something mroe than the Atkins Way of Eating behind her death.

    Just my 2 cents.
    HW 303
    Aug '04 SW-287 LW-232
    Restart - Apr 07 - SW 266 CW 225




    "Don't let your past dictate who you are, but let it be a part of who you become."

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    • #3
      Re: Question for you all.....

      I agree with Emma.. It makes me wonder if she was eating any veggies.. Now I will say in the beginning the first week you do eat a lot of meat...its the fat from the meat that helps to fill you...and the protein... And as your hunger slows down you eat more of the veggies.. I find that I don't eat that much meat.. Breakfast I usually have eggs.. Lunch a small piece of meat...with veggies and same for dinner.. Sometimes I bake my foods....especially chicken... Chicken is good for you.. But if I am craving Beef I eat it..

      I too think there was something else wrong with the little girl...
      Sandy
      40th birthday June 27,2009


      Starting Weight 293 Highest Weight
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      Goal Weight 150
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      • #4
        Re: Question for you all.....

        I never ate veggies at all before atkins, so this was straight off a healthy WOE for me
        HW 303
        Aug '04 SW-287 LW-232
        Restart - Apr 07 - SW 266 CW 225




        "Don't let your past dictate who you are, but let it be a part of who you become."

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        • #5
          Re: Question for you all.....

          I hear you emma.. I practically ate just bread..and sweets... I can't see how all of these veggies are going to kill me...

          So Sarah.. don't let one newspaper article scare you.. if done properly you should be okay For me if I don't lose weight I am going to die early anyway...so I had to give it a try
          Sandy
          40th birthday June 27,2009


          Starting Weight 293 Highest Weight
          Current Weight 271
          Goal Weight 150
          Female/40

          Mini Goals
          #1-Get into 260's-
          #2-Get into 250's-
          #3-Get into 240's
          #4-Get into 230's



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          • #6
            Re: Question for you all.....

            I'm new to the board but I'm an RN and can offer a little input here.

            As Dr. Atkins says, "Supplements for everyone!". Make certain you are taking a good multivitamin with minerals. Read the recommended amounts in the book. Also, if you find you are losing too quickly I would move into OWL perhaps a little sooner. That way you can find your daily carb intake level that allows you to lose at a healthy rate.

            Also, be aware of the symptoms of electrolyte imbalances that can include:
            Extreme fatigue; tingly fingers; light-headedness;confusion; nausea; rapid or irregular heart rate; muscle cramps....to name a few.

            Take your supplements and maintain your fluid, but keep in mind that you can over-hydrate too which can also cause an electrolyte imbalance. So consume the recommended but don't try to over compensate by drinking excessively more that the book recommends........just take it slow.....

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            • #7
              Re: Question for you all.....

              Sarah,

              One more thing, you could have your doctor order a CMP or complete metabolic profile so you could ensure that prior to the diet your sodium, potassium and calcium levels are all w/i normal range and then have them redrawn periodically for reassurance.........just to be certain you're not already experiencing an imbalance......

              I had my cholesterol levels and a CMP done prior to and then a month into the diet and everything that needed improving improved! None of my electrolytes were off,................. but everyone's metabolism is different of course.

              Gayle

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              • #8
                Re: Question for you all.....

                In August of 2000, this 16-year-old high school student
                Back in the early 2000s, Dr. Atkins endorsed a low carb diet book SPECIFICALLY for teens and children. He stated in his introduction of that book, that the book described the diet used by the Atkins Center for their teenaged and child patients.

                The possible cause of death was a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, according to her doctors.
                So it's possible her death was due to something else. If her death was directed related to it, then her doctors would be more definite about the cause.

                Huskey, who had no known medical conditions
                If she was overweight/obese, then she had a medical condition and all the medical conditions associated with obesity/overweight.

                She followed the diet closely, eating meat, cheese, and other high-fat foods.
                From that snippet, she wasn't following Atkins "closely". The 1972 and 1992 versions of the diet included more than "eating meat, cheese and other high-fat foods."

                A post-mortem examination of Huskey revealed low calcium and potassium levels in her blood. According to Dr. Paul Robinson, an assistant professor of child health at the University of Missouri, Columbia, those depletions disrupted Huskey’s normal cardiac functions and caused her heart to stop. Those depletions, Dr. Robinson said, may have been caused by her adherence to a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet.
                Low calcium and potassium could be caused by other things too. I wonder if they did a drug screen on her. And I wonder what her pre-"Atkins" labs were like---if she had them done at all.

                From the parent's testimony, it was summer and the girl was at marching band practice. Was she well hydrated? That is was she drinking her 64 ounces of water daily as Dr. Atkins recommended because ketosis is a natural diuretic and you need to drink that 64 ounces daily in order to replenish the fluids lost?

                And did they consult their physician before she started the diet as Dr. Atkins recommended?

                She had tree allergies, was she taking any allergy medications? I used to take allergy medications back then and there were at least 2 allergy meds that were taken off the market because they caused heart problems.

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                • #9
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                  and this article is from our friends at the physicians committee for responsible medicine, which I believe is the same group that reported Dr. Atkins died from a heart attack, was obese at the time of his death and that his death was caused by his way of eating. This group is tied in with PETA...........IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
                  Please note...........all of the above is false.
                  Bren
                  female


                  218/150 calling it goal!
                  3/30/03

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                  • #10
                    Re: Question for you all.....

                    I am sorry about the death of this young girl. She may have died from the depletion of minerals in her body because of the diet or because of something else.

                    The thing is that this diet can be dangerous, as most of our diets can be... when I was much younger I did not know about the potassium depletion and that it would make me so weak. As soon as I took some potassium supplements I immediately felt much better. I am sure that is true with other deficiencies too.

                    I was dieting on low carbs as a teenager, that was before Dr. A's diet though.

                    Dr. A underlines that there should be full vitamin and mineral supplementation with this diet.

                    The girl's mineral depletion probably also depended on how severely she followed the diet, I remember allowing myself 800 calories and 5 grams of carbs a day as a teen! I didn't know any better. But I sure felt like **** all the time I was dieting and once I lost the weight, which was about 15 lb only, I kept it off for decades because there was no way I wanted to feel as lousy as I felt on that diet, again. I just didn't know about supplements at the time. I could have died as easily as this girl did. I really feel for her.

                    I am back on a low carb diet and I feel safe and relatively comfortable with it. Mostly, because I am doing it according to the advice of Dr. A. I think he genuinely was concerned about the well being of people and he carefully looked into factors that could be adverse and that is why he wrote his second edition book.

                    I just wish someone would continue Dr.A's research and include Hoodia and Stevia and all the new things we know about now so that we don't end up as time goes by, in the dark ages with this diet. But even if we don"t, it is a pretty darn effective diet and IMHO, safe diet, as it is.

                    If you are really worried about its safety may I advise blood and hair analysis on a regular basis while you are dieting? Until you feel confident that you no longer need them. Initially they can be quite helpful in determining where you have any deficiencies and you can compensate for them appropriately. They may also put your concerns to rest.
                    Kawispice

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                    • #11
                      Re: Question for you all.....

                      Acts 2:38........ Rest assured NO one is offended by this. In fact, we have all seen it before many times.
                      Please do Atkins as it is written, buy the book. Take your supplements and make sure you eat your VEGGIES! That is so important. Never hesitate to move to the first rung and up your vegies.
                      Think about it, none of us weighed too much because we ate too many vegies......... IMHO.
                      You can do it, but do it correctly and I am sure you will have no regrets!
                      Bren
                      female


                      218/150 calling it goal!
                      3/30/03

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                      • #12
                        Re: Question for you all.....

                        Hi Acts, i agree with what everyone is saying, veggies is so important, and so is a good multi vitamin, this little girl could have had some kind of heart problems to begin with, we will never know, I do know we have a lot of young people die abrubtly due to heart issues, mostly in sports but at the same time, they also did not know something was wrong, because most of the time, we dont get children evaluated for heart conditions. I hear about it all the time, and actually just yesterday they were talking about this on the news, and how it happens more than we think, just the ones that are in sports are the ones that get recognized, but there could be a number of things that could cause the heart to just stop, and one being the arrythmia. If you believe in your heart this is the wol for you and i say that because it should not be a diet but a wol, then do it and i would do it by the book.
                        LISA
                        restarted induction 9/20/09
                        starting weight 329
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                        • #13
                          Re: Question for you all.....

                          Sorry to see she passed on. But life and death is all about odds. Odds meaning x many teens will die and show no symptoms before death of a condition. X many of babies will pass on before the age of one. On and on.

                          People want answers why. Sometimes there are none which doesn't help grieving family members which I can understand.

                          That is why it isn't good to go on, go off, go on, go off or do your own version of atikins. Dr. Atkins was just that, a doctor. I'm not saying every doctor knows everything, but Dr. Atkins has studied this for years.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Question for you all.....

                            I cannot thank you all enough. I feel so much better. And yes I am getting all my labs done this week just to be sure. That is for my own peice of mind because I have a tendency to be anxious. Thank you all so much for the support! I am starting on Saturday after my Friday labs. Thanks again!!!!I will keep you updated on my progress!!!!
                            I can do all things through Jesus our One true Lord whom strengthens me!
                            Thank you Jesus!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Question for you all.....

                              So happy to hear you are getting all the lab work done! Anxious to read how you do!

                              Cheering for you!
                              Bren
                              female


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