I WILL be cheating today - how to best mitigate the damage?

[Hayden]

Re: I WILL be cheating today - how to best mitigate the damage?

Hayden : Do you know any of the menu items? If you were diabetic, or a recovering alcoholic, I cannot see your company forcing you to eat or drink. I find it hard to believe that any workplace can or would force their employees to drink alcohol under any circumstance to be honest. .

I am sorry, but I don't know the menu items. I can make an intelligent guess, and that is to simply reply, not "Atkins food"

On your other question, Japan is not a litigious society. So a person whom was a diabetic, or a recovering alcoholic, would not be placed in a company role where his "ability not to join in" could cause the company department to lose face. That person would be given a new job title of "head of office stationary" or something else "out of the way".

You're initial reaction might be disgust, however, have a think out that a bit more, the company is not giving him the sack, and actually trying to help him.

This is what would happen.

[sadie147]

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Wow, that's amazing! I guess the culture is that much more different...

[Sera]

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yeah, I've heard a lot about that kinda stuff, mainly because I've always been interested in Japan but it's gotta be hard living their way of life when you come from a western culture...I mean they are worlds apart, aren't they?

[TBW]

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For reference, this morning I weighed in at 145.5 and my (controversial) ketostix read 80. I'll keep my fingers crossed and see where the cake leads me!

I just looked back at this and wanted to correct it. My weight that morning was 144.5. It was an unfortunate place for a typo, and I don't want anyone to be misled that I lost 1 1/2 pounds after having cake. It was only 1/2 pound. Just wanted to stay completely honest about the cake issue. Sorry for any confusion.

[gettinskinny]

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I cheated the day after I completed my 2 week induction on something sweet and immediatley felt a little ill (headache big time)...I just want you to be prepared for that, so that it doesn't ruin your good time with your little girl...i think maybe extra water and a very small piece won't be quite as bad as my indulgence was...have fun at your bday party!!! and don't stress it.

[Kawispice]

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Tracy,

I hope the birthday went well.

In my opinion you can have the cake. A small piece will not do much in the large picture.

Yet... I am a teacher of 8 year old children and a children's advocate. In that capacity I would like to say that it would be best if you took charge of the attitude towards food in your home. The Atkins way of eating, for example, in the long run is really healthy and a worthwhile model for your children.

You say the little ones are disappointed when you don't like when they try to share their favourite foods with you... but it as bad for them as it is for you... would you say the same thing if your teen was sharing his cocaine powder with you because it made him happy and he wants to make you happy too? My teen tried that with me. You are the parent, you set the model, you decide what kinds of joys they should be open to. Pretty soon, you won't have that influence over them any more, by then they will be set in their own way. These are their formative years.

You say that one child is underweight, but sugar and flour are not the only way to put on weight. Nor is it the recommended way. But it is traditional. The cake is also traditional and what we at this forum are doing here, is BREAKING tradition and introducing new and healthy ones. In the past people did not know how bad carbs were for human beings and they also had few alternatives. Today, as with electronics, we have much more knowledge and much more choices. It is up to you how you want to form the future and as a parent, you have this awesome power to help form your children's future too.

[yma832]

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Good for you, Peoriaguy. I was thinking the same thing. Sometimes you have to(and want to) put your family above everything else. She seemed to really have thought this through. She came here for advice not to be slammed by the Atkins police.

[TBW]

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I am a teacher of 8 year old children and a children's advocate. In that capacity I would like to say that it would be best if you took charge of the attitude towards food in your home. The Atkins way of eating, for example, in the long run is really healthy and a worthwhile model for your children.

You say the little ones are disappointed when you don't like when they try to share their favourite foods with you... but it as bad for them as it is for you... would you say the same thing if your teen was sharing his cocaine powder with you because it made him happy and he wants to make you happy too? My teen tried that with me. You are the parent, you set the model, you decide what kinds of joys they should be open to. Pretty soon, you won't have that influence over them any more, by then they will be set in their own way. These are their formative years.

You say that one child is underweight, but sugar and flour are not the only way to put on weight. Nor is it the recommended way. But it is traditional. The cake is also traditional and what we at this forum are doing here, is BREAKING tradition and introducing new and healthy ones. In the past people did not know how bad carbs were for human beings and they also had few alternatives. Today, as with electronics, we have much more knowledge and much more choices. It is up to you how you want to form the future and as a parent, you have this awesome power to help form your children's future too.

Well, I had assumed this thread was dead and all that could be said had been. However, when the topic switched to how I am raising my children that takes this in a different direction. One that don't wish to pursue any further than this post.

You say my children's favorite foods are as bad for them as they are for me? If you reread what I posted, you will find I was referring to a piece of corn! We're talking about apples, watermelon, oranges, corn, beans, peas... a multitude of foods here, none of which are "bad" for my children. Or for me, for that matter. But while I am on the early rungs of Atkins, I am somewhat limited in what I eat. I will NOT, however, force my 1 and 2 yr old children to eat as I currently do. As "the teacher of 8 yr olds and a children's advocate," I'm sure you are familiar with the nutritional guidelines set forth by the American Pediatric Association and are therefore aware that Atkins does NOT meet those guidelines.

As far as modelling good eating habits, I hope to instill in my children the importance of moderation. And that includes cake. My children will learn that they can have a piece of cake and stop, rather than eating the whole thing, a lesson it's taken me many years to learn. I hope they will be able to apply that lesson to many things in their lives. You suggest breaking the birthday cake tradition for my children, an idea I find too crazy (and selfish) to address further.

Finally, the best for last. To compare my child trying to feed me a piece of corn to sharing cocaine with a teenager? That is so completely far-flung as to be absurd. But I will give you credit for coming up with a comparison that manages to be both infuriating and laughable at the same time. This post was about ME and my decision to eat some cake. It was NOT about my children or how I choose to raise them. While you may be a children's advocate, my children don't require your services. As such, I will address no further issues about my children.

Thank you again to those that have offered support in this thread.

[gettinskinny]

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well said Tracey...I had to get a little chuckle out of the cocaine comparison myself...

[hopejoy]

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This is a great thread! I wish I would've read it a few days ago as then I didn't think I would 'cheat' but now after cheating I think the advice here might have helped me be stronger. I enjoyed reading everyone's advice! It was great! agree wholeheartedly that it's just not worth it and am back on the no cheat band wagon... Also am happy you were able to cheat and not get caught! lol. Have a great day!
ps. read the chapt on Eating in the Real world... DANDR pg.236 also very good advice.
liz

[drosa75]

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I agree well said Tracey...

Its unfortunate that we (and we are all in the same boat here) beat each other up. I on the one hand will always try to deter a cheat..speaking from my personal experience with scheduled cheating but I understand we are all different. We all should be a little more compasionate and open minded in our responses.. Although I follow DANDR...life is not by the book and we all have to find our own way..

Tracey as I said before, I am happy things worked out for you and that you were able to get right back in the saddle..

[Lulubell]

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Well, I had assumed this thread was dead and all that could be said had been. However, when the topic switched to how I am raising my children that takes this in a different direction. One that don't wish to pursue any further than this post.

You say my children's favorite foods are as bad for them as they are for me? If you reread what I posted, you will find I was referring to a piece of corn! We're talking about apples, watermelon, oranges, corn, beans, peas... a multitude of foods here, none of which are "bad" for my children. Or for me, for that matter. But while I am on the early rungs of Atkins, I am somewhat limited in what I eat. I will NOT, however, force my 1 and 2 yr old children to eat as I currently do. As "the teacher of 8 yr olds and a children's advocate," I'm sure you are familiar with the nutritional guidelines set forth by the American Pediatric Association and are therefore aware that Atkins does NOT meet those guidelines.

As far as modelling good eating habits, I hope to instill in my children the importance of moderation. And that includes cake. My children will learn that they can have a piece of cake and stop, rather than eating the whole thing, a lesson it's taken me many years to learn. I hope they will be able to apply that lesson to many things in their lives. You suggest breaking the birthday cake tradition for my children, an idea I find too crazy (and selfish) to address further.

Finally, the best for last. To compare my child trying to feed me a piece of corn to sharing cocaine with a teenager? That is so completely far-flung as to be absurd. But I will give you credit for coming up with a comparison that manages to be both infuriating and laughable at the same time. This post was about ME and my decision to eat some cake. It was NOT about my children or how I choose to raise them. While you may be a children's advocate, my children don't require your services. As such, I will address no further issues about my children.

Thank you again to those that have offered support in this thread.

TBW/Tracy!!!

i am just amazed by the whacked posts that show up here sometimes. that was one for the books. and to be perfectly honest, it's daunting to respond, because you never know how bad the backlash will be. but i applaud you for laying it out in no uncertain terms. way to go!

[Taamar]

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On my first go-round with Atkins (I'm on my second and having issues) I found that it's not the carb load of a food that causes trouble, it's the blood sugar hit. The hit can be mitigated by not eating the 'cheat' food on an empty stomach, but having it on top of an acceptable food. A square of bittersweet chocolate after a good meal isn't the same as a square of dark chocolate first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.


If you MUST bend the rules, bend them as little as possible, and cushion your metabolism with fat/protein beforehand.

[Kawispice]

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Sorry I took time with your problems, Tracey, you seemed to have appreciated it so much... good luck to you and your children.

[Hayden]

Re: I WILL be cheating today - how to best mitigate the damage?

Hello All,

I was going to post the exact same message, as I need the exact same advice from you.

I WILL be cheating - how to best mitigate the damage?

On the 5th August, My company and a new customer will be having a drinking party to celebrate the signing of a new, and large business contract.

There will be beer, and rice, and many carbohydrate rich foods. The situation that I will in on the 5th, I will have no control of the food or drinks choice.

I will be expected to attend, and to not join in, will cause great offense. I could even write that it could cause my company to lose face, should I not join in.

I am on Day 13 of Induction, and after reading the Atkins book, and doing the check list, I think I will migrate to an Extended Induction.

I have been very good, and not knowingly or willing cheated so far, including not drinking any beer, within the past 13 days. All of which I am proud of myself for doing.

Yes, eating and drinking all that sugar on the 5th will give me a blood sugar spike like no other, and I'd probably end up vomiting, too.

That I can (will have to) deal with, use my acting ability, and best 'poker face' to hide my discomfort.

I really need you advice, about how to how to best mitigate the damage?

As a thought, I could go 'off-plan' on the 4th, and eat carbs and have a beer on the 4th, where I can be ill, in a more controlled environment, IE: my house.

Attend the office function on the 5th, then go back 'on plan' on the 6th. The 6th, I regain full control of my diet and eating.

Please note, I am not, repeat not, trying to create a mandate for cheating. I am just trying to get the best advice to deal with an event in life related to doing my best to lose weight with the Atkins diet.

My understanding off what will happen on the 5th, that my body, will absolutely exit out ketosis, and the whole dieting process will stop. I will need to physically and mentally re-start the Atkins diet as if I am back at Day 1 of Induction.

Including the possibility of having to re-lose some previous weight loss.
This is something that I would like advice about how to best mitigate.

Please correct me, If I have any mis-understanding written above.

Your advice and guidance will be used and thought about.
Most importantly, appreciated.

Hello All,

I am back in Tokyo, from the company drinking/meeting in Hiroshima.
A lot of extremely bad, and very high carb food was eaten on the evening.

Today, I have been drinking water, and I had some grilled chicken for lunch. Tonight will be the first time, that I can cook at home again, and I'll do some beef, with mushrooms, and green peppers.

However, within one evening, I have put on 4 kilos of weight. (8lb) When I weighed myself this morning.

What have I done?
What should I do?

Have I got two days of sugar stored in my liver again, so I'll not see anymore weight loss over the 36 hours?
Maybe, even some more weight increase?

Should I eat high protein, but low fat, for the next 36 hours?
Then back to the 70/25/5 percentages.

Any ideas would be helpful.

I was not expecting this much weight gain.