Induction / Ketosis - Help!!

[CAK320]

I have tried Atkins a total of 4 times; the only time it worked was when I ate only turkey for 10 days straight; then 7 days of low carbs, plus had to eat 2 containers of cream cheese - this after about 20 days of induction.

I do have hypothyroidism, so I guess that plays into it. Did anyone else have this much trouble getting into ketosis? Once the urine strips showed I was in keotosis the weight just started falling off & continued to do so. But I find my induction phase hard, almost impossible, to get through.

Any suggestions or help would be most appreciated.

[singadiva]

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Hi,

I am new here but have been in Induction for a month (have cheated a few times through Xmas/New Year but got straight back on it the next day). I am also hardly losing but I am also IR and PCOS so am assuming this is the problem.

I am also wondering if I should try the fat fast to kick things into gear? Has anyone else done this because they had a metabolic disorder??

Singadiva

[Chef Kevin]

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the fat fast will kick things off for both of you. I assume you are both under a Dr's care for your conditions?

The fat fast is not fun, but is short term. Once you are rolling, then your body starts to change and it gets easier to stay in ketosis.

Best wishes!
~Kev

[CAK320]

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Chef Kevin, what actually is "fat fast"? I searched it on ADBB and it didn't really give me anything.

[ceemarie]

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If you haven't already, you should read Dr. Atkins book. He goes into great detail about the fat fast and gives you the details that you need. I also find that if I do not drink enough water during Introduction, I slow my weight loss down, but sure to get yours in. I also wondered if you are on any medications for your conditions, certain medications can really slow down your ability to lose weight. You may want to discuss this with your doctor.

[LeanLioness]

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Hi, I am diabetic and have PCOS.

In 2003, the weight just melted off me. Since then, it has gotten harder and harder to lose weight.

I don't use the strips to know if I am ketosis. I go by my body, my urine smells different, I stay thirsty, etc...........

The more water you drink, the less the ketones are going to register also.

[not2late]

Re: Induction / Ketosis - Help!!

I have tried Atkins a total of 4 times; the only time it worked was when I ate only turkey for 10 days straight; then 7 days of low carbs, plus had to eat 2 containers of cream cheese - this after about 20 days of induction.

I do have hypothyroidism, so I guess that plays into it. Did anyone else have this much trouble getting into ketosis? Once the urine strips showed I was in keotosis the weight just started falling off & continued to do so. But I find my induction phase hard, almost impossible, to get through.

Any suggestions or help would be most appreciated.

Based on what you've written, you weren't doing Atkins at all! You don't just eat meat for almost 2 weeks then eat 2 containers of cream cheese on Atkins.

Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, read Dr. ATkins New Diet REvolution, 2002 edition.

[boonie stomper]

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Try to eat as many veggies as you can from the allowed foods list when on induction, without going over 20g net carbs daily; have some with every meal, along with oils/fats and protein.

Don't think you are not in ketosis just because test strips aren't registering ketones in your urine. As long as your body makes no more ketones than it is burning for fuel, they will not be detected there, but you will be able to lose body fat and notice decreased appetite and other effects of ketosis.

[singadiva]

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Well, I weighed and measured myself this morning and I'M GAINING!!!!!

This is crazy. Yes, I've had the odd indiscretion but hardly any kind of blow-out (a few no-carb sweets, a gin and diet tonic, coconut milk in my jelly which actually has only trace carbs in it according to the label!!!!) and after each slip, I've got right back on it.

I'm tracking everything on fitday to the damn letter - I am eating exactly the right number of calories according to my BMR to LOSE weight. I am drinking at least 2 litres of water a day, I am getting my 12-15grams of veg carbs, I am eating around 65-75% fat, 25% protein and 5% carbs everyday so WHAT GIVES?

Am I THAT resistant?? Mr doctor didn't tell me how resistant I was, just that I am Insulin Resistant. I don't suffer anywhere near the same symptoms as other PCOS women, my periods are regular, I am on the Yasmin contraceptive and the only other meds I am on is the Diabex (500 a day) that the doctor ordered for the IR.....

Singadiva, seriously depressed

[Elizellen]

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Maybe you can post a link to your fitday account so people can see if they spot any known 'stallers'?

Also perhaps give us an idea of where you are in your Atkins journey?
Info like height, age, start/current/goal weight will help others give mroe relevant advice.

Lots of us put this info in our signature block so it appears automatically on each post.

[Desertthorn]

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One of the things you have to remember about this diet is that each of us lose at our own speed, but more important, you have to follow the induction rules by the book for the first two weeks. You have to eat the veggies, drink the water, keep the cheese down to .. etc, etc.
I lost nearly 20 pounds the first time I started and NEVER ever was able to get those strips to turn color. I went thru one whole bottle and then thought maybe the bottle was bad and bought another.
Even if the strips do turn color, it only means that your pee'in out fat, it could be body fat, which would be awesome, or it could be the fat you ate in last nights dinner.
Doing fat fast will probably get the strips to turn, but thats not what your aim is, its for you to lose weight
If I were you, I would do two weeks of induction, I wouldn't weigh myself at all during that time, I would drink my water, and I would walk around the block every day. I would measure myself as thats more accurate than the scales and then I would check the scales.
We can do this, we really can, and you won't have to eat turkey again, unless you want to

[singadiva]

Re: Induction / Ketosis - Help!!

Maybe you can post a link to your fitday account so people can see if they spot any known 'stallers'?

Also perhaps give us an idea of where you are in your Atkins journey?
Info like height, age, start/current/goal weight will help others give mroe relevant advice.

Lots of us put this info in our signature block so it appears automatically on each post.

Sure, here is the link:
http://fitday.com/fitness/PublicJournals.html?Owner=singadiva

But I made a discovery on my own today - there are hidden sugars in some of the foods I've been using!! There is molasses in my Caesar dressing! Honestly, I feel veeeery dumb....

And I guess just because the coconut milk I used tomake my low-joule jelly has only trace carbs doesn't make it an Induction friendly food (although I was in ketosis while eating it). I never listed the no-carb sweets because they were no carb! They have maltilol or mannitol in them and my Jelly (Jello??) is sugar-free but has sweetners.

I've ordered the 2002 book (I've been working off the NDR Cookbook) and as of the last 36 hours, NO sugar has passed my lips in ANY form. And I have a headache.

After spending hours in the supermarket trying to find stuff that doesn't have sugar, I've decided to make my own dressing, add some Udo's Oil to my diet and go for broke this time around. If nothing shifts then, it'll be the Fat Fast for me!

Thanks for your help, I guess even with trace amounts of sugar I am honestly IR...

DIva

[liv]

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No carb sweets are not on the allowed list in induction. We are not allowed cocoa till rung 3. The other problems is that sugar alcohols may be absorbed by some people just like carbs are and therefore you may be eating a lot more carb that you think.
You seem to eat a lot of sweeteners - in your treats, in your jellos, in your protein drinks. We are limited on artificial sweeteners.

[singadiva]

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Hi Liv,

Thanks for answering - I have always struggled with a sweet tooth....

I normally have one serve of stevia in my (one) morning decaff coffee and the protein powder is sweetened with Stevia, which is supposed not to affect blood sugar levels.
I've already decided to give that powder up.

The only other sweetener has come from the jelly - UNLESS I've also eaten the no-carb stuff as well. I don't sweeten anything else. The night-time is the time I get cravings.

I fell down a little over Xmas when I was confronted with a storm of protest about not tasting someone's Xmas Pudding and homemade Ice Cream.....honestly, the looks of loathing you get when you say you don't touch sugar!! The cocoa came about over New Year when I meant to make a low-carb cheesecake and forgot the sweetener and as it was for other people, I put a block of 70% Lindt chocolate in the mix - BIG mistake for me although everyone else raved about it!

Then today I realised there were hidden sugars in a few other things I've used for flavouring so they went out the window today too!

I've got through today with just the one serve of sweetener in my coffee and I've thrown the no-carb sweets out. If I can stick to no more than 2 serves of sweetener a day, I think I'll come right.

I've also made my own salad dressing using Udo's Oil and Maille Dijonnaise which was the only thing I could find in my supermarket with NO sugars of any kind. It was awesome on my tuna salad today!

Cheers,

Diva

[boonie stomper]

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Here's an interesting read on the sugar alcohols and the like.
Naturally Ripped News Magazine - Issue 7 - Sugar Alcohols, Glycerine and Low-Carbohydrate Diets

I'm presently afraid to even sample the temptations Santa left me; somehow I just cant believe that 30-40 g of carbs would ever really be the same as 0g in the same capacity of the 0 net g when all the carbs are fiber. Think alcohol - which also is 0g - which is still a fuel source that interferes with fat-furning.