Help - Totally Confused

[bsquare12]

Hi

Can anyone please help me try to understand the whole carb dilemma.

I started induction, and dropped 11lbs in 9 days. Now, day 15.. not only haven't I lost.. but have gained 2lbs back! My husband is on the diet too, and dropped 20lbs in 10 days, but has not lost in the last 5 days.

We are confused about this whole net carb issue, because from what we can see in the book, there is no mention of net carbs.. just carbs.

According to a few other sites, there seems to be a difference in the UK and the US over carbs and net carbs. In the US you have to deduct the fibre, whereas in the UK we never include them in the carb value in the first place - hence, the fibre value shouldn't be deducted because it was never incorporated in the first place Am beginning to think my scales carry the UK values, but adopts the US method of deducting fibre which then means the carb value is under-estimated. Has anyone else come across this?

Plus... all the other sites/books etc/packaging conflict with Dr Atkins book. Dr Atkins book says 10 brazil nuts is 4g of carbs... but everything else I look at would estimate these to be around 1.5g carbs max.

Help... please.... why is this all so contradictory?

Beverley

[liv]

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You are on induction? Nuts are not allowed on induction. That solves the problem right there.

If your book does not talk about net carbs you are using the wrong book. You need the 2002 edition of Atkins.

It is true that on labels in the UK they have already deducted fiber when they show the carb count unlike here. So when you count the carb from something with a label on in you just use the number on it. But if you count carb from something without a label - like turnip - you will have to look up carbs and fibre to find the net carb number.

There are instances where the Atkins book may have a carb number and the fiber is not deducted. You just have to double check. Also try to use fitday to help you.

And lastly don't expect to lose weight every day or every week. It does not happen like that. Some times we can go up a pound or two without doing anything wrong. It is just how it is. Don't forget to measure. Sometimes we lose inches and not pounds. And that is perfect.

[Amsexy]

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Hi confused Yea, no nutz lol. Stay away from the carbs in general is my rule, they canmake you crazy... I promise I am not trying to make jokes they just keep coming out. Nuts equal nuttiness. Keep it up! You can do it YAY!

[Amsexy]

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Hey, I think I need help with my ticker... do I actually have to cut and paste it for it to show up?

[cavalior7005]

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yep u need to put it in ur signiture like the url thingy ahah

[Amsexy]

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Hey Thanks I'll try.. Nope can't press options... strange.

[bsquare12]

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Hi

Thanks everyone.... but I wasn't eating nuts on induction. I was merely using them as an example on here where Dr Atkins says one value, and every other source of information conflicts with his calculation.

Thanks anyway.

Beverley

[liv]

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Ohh great. I also have noticed the thing about nuts. So I am agreeing with you.
But I think the carb lists are not bad. Are you familiar with this one?

http://www.atkins.com/Files/AtkinsCarbCounter.pdf

As I said I use fitday and then let it decide things. Works for me.
When it comes to nuts we are supposed to eat only one ounce of it - when we add it on owl. Or around 26 almonds. (I only eat almonds)

[Amsexy]

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Sorry, my misunderstanding Have a great day.

[focus83]

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Or around 26 almonds. (I only eat almonds)

sorry to butt in but is this per day (not there yet but just curious)

i think with every diet you have up and down weeks, we cant lose everyweek and we did take a long time to put all that weight on so we should expect it to come off slowly. just stick at it and watch everything you eat.

[bsquare12]

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Ohh great. I also have noticed the thing about nuts. So I am agreeing with you.
But I think the carb lists are not bad. Are you familiar with this one?

http://www.atkins.com/Files/AtkinsCarbCounter.pdf

As I said I use fitday and then let it decide things. Works for me.
When it comes to nuts we are supposed to eat only one ounce of it - when we add it on owl. Or around 26 almonds. (I only eat almonds)

I have seen that one, just it's all so annoying when they all differ.

What I am doing at the moment, as I am now in OWL (i.e.. day 15)... but, as I have regained 2lbs, is increase the range of foods - add nuts, berries, but still restrict myself to 20g carbs. As soon as I see a weight loss, then I will go on and add the 5gs a day. I just don't feel happy to add the carbs yet in view of my gain, but will extend the range of foods.

Thanks for your help.

Beverley

[Elizellen]

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Lots of people have moved up the OWL rungs while keeping their net carbs lowish. You might see this referred to as doing OWL as a net rather than a ladder.

I would suggest first adding the 5 net carbs for more induction veggies, then swapping these extra net carbs out for the other rungs rather than sticking to the 20 net carbs from induction.

Remember we are supposed to always have our 3 cups of induction veggies, so by not adding those first 5 net carbs you will be making life unneccessarily limited

[bsquare12]

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Me.. back again.

Realised my book was pre-2002 (****.. serial dieters sure collect some books along the way don't they!!). So, bought my new one, and I can see quite a few things have changed.

Have read your posts, and decided not to introduce the new foods or up my carbs for the moment. Am on day 16, and seeing no loss since around day 6/7 (when I was an amazing 11lb down). All I have seen since then is 2lbs up, 2lb down, 1lb up.. 1lb up - this morning, as back 2lbs on so only 9lbs down in total.

I tested and am definately in ketosis... definately eating around about 18g of carbs... so.. why is my belly getting bigger by the day?? After the first week there was an instantly noticeable decrease in my flabby stomach, but now I am back to it being big.. flabby.. and my hips seem to have gained too.

Am scared to weigh myself tomorrow so will postpone that to the weekend.

Just feeling desperate and sad today - I have a holiday book in 7 weeks time and am worried I just am not going to lose anything.

I introduced myself to the delights of Flax (Linseed here in the UK) yesterday to help relieve my rather absent bowel movements. Thank goodness that tonight demanded a trip to the loo!

Whilst I know I cannot expect miracles, I'm getting frustrated. Not losing is one thing... but swelling up like a pig is getting me down. Oh.. and boobs feel much bigger too.



I know I am due on in 6 days - perhaps it is that... and I will get one of those whooshies you all talk about after that has been/gone.

Help me stay motivated people.... the chocolate is calling me!

Beverley xx

[andrewglynn]

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I did not realise that the net carb count in the uk already deducts the fibre? Is that right ? so if an item was 5 carbs and 1gram of fibre it would still be 5 carbs in the uk? is that what you were saying?

[bsquare12]

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I did not realise that the net carb count in the uk already deducts the fibre? Is that right ? so if an item was 5 carbs and 1gram of fibre it would still be 5 carbs in the uk? is that what you were saying?

In the US if a packaging label says 7g of carbs.. and 3g of fibre (or fiber as they spell it lol) the net carbs would be 4g.

Here in the UK.. if it says 7g of carbs.. and 3g of fibre it's a net carb of 7g (i.e. it would have been 10g using the US method).

For some reason, they count the fibre as a carb, whereas in the UK it's kept separate and never counted in the carb amount.

Does that make sense???

I have an all singing all dancing Salter Nutri Scale, but looking at carb charts, I am beginning to think that it's pre-loaded database may actually adopt the US methodology of subtracting fibre.. when it was never actually in there in the first place ie... it underestimates the net carbs. I've gone back to using a book called the Calorie, Carb and Fat Bible by Juliette Kello as this is produced in the UK and keeps it all simple.

Hope that helps.

Beverley